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Clem72

Clem72

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glhs837 said:
Nope, that's 0ver 6,500 stations with more than 60,000 individual plugs around the globe.

Take this page for a ride.


Zoom in, then hit that spot on Google Earth. Bet you will find a Supercharger everywhere they say. Barring instances where the station is new and Google street view is old. Shouldn't happen to often though. I'll grab two at random
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I like how North Dakota, South Dakota, and Nebraska have just enough stations located on only one highway to ensure you can drive through their state as long as you don't leave the highway. Literally, someone had to sit down and say "what are the absolute fewest stations we can possible put here and still claim it's technically possible to drive through the state"
 
glhs837

glhs837

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Clem72 said:
I like how North Dakota, South Dakota, and Nebraska have just enough stations located on only one highway to ensure you can drive through their state as long as you don't leave the highway. Literally, someone had to sit down and say "what are the absolute fewest stations we can possible put here and still claim it's technically possible to drive through the state"
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I mean you place them where the cars sell. Other than that, you place them so people passing through.
 
glhs837

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PeoplesElbow

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glhs837 said:
If they don't, Tesla's gonna cover the hardware upgrade for free, so its not a huge deal.
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Well except for the fact how long ago did these people pay for a service they thought would be ready much sooner? Wonder how many still have that vehicle. Pretty stupid to pay for a service that doesn't exist yet on an asset that has a finite life.
 
glhs837

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PeoplesElbow said:
Well except for the fact how long ago did these people pay for a service they thought would be ready much sooner? Wonder how many still have that vehicle. Pretty stupid to pay for a service that doesn't exist yet on an asset that has a finite life.
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Well, you buy beta, you get beta. I would buy it, even if it never achieves true level 5. Where its at right now would be fine with me, but it will keep getting better. But that's me.

Related, they plan on some unsupervised Model 3s and Ys to be running in Texas and FL next summer. And people mocked the Cybercab, but I really think its going to be a thing. Like the Semi, fleets care about cost. And its pretty hard to even think about competing with this thing on up front cost and cost per mile. Two years from now I think it will be where Energy is now, just becoming apparent as a huge profit center. Waymo pays like $150k per individual cab. That's maybe 6 of these.

 
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phreddyp

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PeoplesElbow said:
Personally I don't want autonomous driving cars on the road, but really don't want half the people out there on the road either.

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Tesla on Full Self-Driving Mode Plows Through Deer Without Even Slowing Down

A Tesla purportedly running Full Self-Driving mode fails to see a deer on the road and slams into the animal without slowing or stopping.
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Until the DMV allows someone to be blind staggering drunk and let the vehicle drive you home, without getting a DUI, self-driving anything is just plain BULLSH*T!
 
RoseRed

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Merry Christmas! :lmao:

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glhs837

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Meanwhile, in real success land. :)

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2024 Tesla Model 3 Performance: Full Rating Results

Tesla completely overhauled the Model 3 for 2024, paying special attention to the hotrod Performance model. Here's our comprehensive evaluation, which encompasses everything from track testing to everyday driving.
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Overall rating: 8.4
The Model 3 Performance is incredibly quick. But we're just as impressed with what else it offers. There's more than 300 miles of Edmunds Tested range, a quiet cabin, and nimble handling that doesn't come at the expense of ride comfort. The Performance still suffers from some quirks that all Model 3s have but overall it's a heck of a deal.
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As Teslas number two seller, the Model 3 refresh has been a huge hit. And the number one seller gets similar refresh in early to mid 2025. And the mill says the "more affordable models" are likely decongested versions of these two very popular models. A true 30k Model 3 and 35k Model Y would sell even more like hotcakes.
 
glhs837

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Damnit!!!! Why did he "fire" the whole Supercharger team? It's the End Time!!!!!!

Oh right, never mind.



PeoplesElbow said:
Personally I don't want autonomous driving cars on the road, but really don't want half the people out there on the road either.

futurism.com

Tesla on Full Self-Driving Mode Plows Through Deer Without Even Slowing Down

A Tesla purportedly running Full Self-Driving mode fails to see a deer on the road and slams into the animal without slowing or stopping.
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So, this one is interesting. Would or even could a human have avoided that? I think perhaps not. What I see is that the deer is small, and almost perfectly aligned with the line in the road, including color.

But this opens the other can of worms. Autonomous vehicles can never be perfect. What they can be is better than humans. So how much better do we want them to be? And how much better than what driver? How many people are seriously injured or killed each year simply because hitting the deer or other animal was the best choice but they instinctively swerved and hit a phone pole or guardrail? My kids were trained that sometimes Fluffy has to die.

The average driver? Oh hell no, the average drivers an idiot who barely survives the crappy choices he makes day in and out. The average driver here in the States kills well over 30,000 people a year. Mostly due to crappy training and low expectations.
 
Ken King

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glhs837 said:
The average driver? Oh hell no, the average drivers an idiot who barely survives the crappy choices he makes day in and out. The average driver here in the States kills well over 30,000 people a year. Mostly due to crappy training and low expectations.
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Damn, I guess I should up my game I get nowhere near 30,000 a year.
 
PeoplesElbow

PeoplesElbow

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glhs837 said:
Damnit!!!! Why did he "fire" the whole Supercharger team? It's the End Time!!!!!!

Oh right, never mind.





So, this one is interesting. Would or even could a human have avoided that? I think perhaps not. What I see is that the deer is small, and almost perfectly aligned with the line in the road, including color.

But this opens the other can of worms. Autonomous vehicles can never be perfect. What they can be is better than humans. So how much better do we want them to be? And how much better than what driver? How many people are seriously injured or killed each year simply because hitting the deer or other animal was the best choice but they instinctively swerved and hit a phone pole or guardrail? My kids were trained that sometimes Fluffy has to die.

The average driver? Oh hell no, the average drivers an idiot who barely survives the crappy choices he makes day in and out. The average driver here in the States kills well over 30,000 people a year. Mostly due to crappy training and low expectations.
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You are assuming they are using cameras that mimic human vision, ever see the picture "what birds se vs what humans see"? A camera can pull out way more nuances in color and lighting than the human eye can. I still think they should employ LIDAR in addition to cameras as Toyota does on their vehicles.

The autonomous cars are expected to have 1.5 remote operators per cab...not sure how this is better than one driver per cab.
 
PeoplesElbow

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Here we go, a camera can be easily made to see even more differentiation than this, in fact many have an IR filter placed before the sensor to filter out light that humans don't see.

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Scientists Show How Differently Birds See The World Compared To Humans

How come it's that an eagle can snatch a rabbit off of the ground from hundreds of feet in the air and we can't even grab a glass off a table without knocking it over? That's because they see the world differently from us - and probably because they're not as clumsy. If you ever wondered how...
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glhs837

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PeoplesElbow said:
You are assuming they are using cameras that mimic human vision, ever see the picture "what birds se vs what humans see"? A camera can pull out way more nuances in color and lighting than the human eye can. I still think they should employ LIDAR in addition to cameras as Toyota does on their vehicles.

The autonomous cars are expected to have 1.5 remote operators per cab...not sure how this is better than one driver per cab.
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Oh, I'm not assuming that about the cameras at all. I'm just saying no matter how sharp it is, sometimes things visually blend into other things. If you look at that footage you can see that the body of the deer does line up with the fat line on the side of the road.

No current Toyota has LIDAR. They do plan on integrating it in the future. I've not seen that number, but I've not looked into that.
 
PeoplesElbow

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glhs837 said:
Oh, I'm not assuming that about the cameras at all. I'm just saying no matter how sharp it is, sometimes things visually blend into other things. If you look at that footage you can see that the body of the deer does line up with the fat line on the side of the road.

No current Toyota has LIDAR. They do plan on integrating it in the future. I've not seen that number, but I've not looked into that.
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Radar maybe? My active cruise control doesn't use a camera I know that much.
 
glhs837

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PeoplesElbow said:
Radar maybe? My active cruise control doesn't use a camera I know that much.
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Yep, radar. Heck, even the new 2023 bike has it. And Tesla deleted it for a short while then brought it back. But radar is cheap and easy. LIDAR, that's a whole different ballgame. In addition to sensor cost, there's a considerable software development cost as well. The Waymo taxis cost in excess of 150K each. And the base vehicle only costs around 70K. The lidar sensors alone cost over 13K, over 15K per vehicle with installation.

FSD is not perfect, but neither are the sensor laden other folks. With the glaring exception that you can drop FSD anywhere in the country and it will drive circles around those other ones. Dirt roads, back roads, parking lots, construction zones. The other ones rely on living inside precisely mapped geofenced areas at low speeds with constant expensive updates.
 
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