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PeoplesElbow said:
Personally I don't want autonomous driving cars on the road, but really don't want half the people out there on the road either.

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Tesla on Full Self-Driving Mode Plows Through Deer Without Even Slowing Down

A Tesla purportedly running Full Self-Driving mode fails to see a deer on the road and slams into the animal without slowing or stopping.
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SO here it is on a county dirt road. Oddly enough, this on also features the car noticing some birds in the road and slowing to let them fly away.

 
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phreddyp

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Like I stated before, until you can be driven home while intoxicated without worrying about getting a DUI this self driving crap is exactly CRAP .
 
glhs837

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PeoplesElbow said:
Radar maybe? My active cruise control doesn't use a camera I know that much.
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I should have been more clear. It uses radar in conjunction with camera. .

Now as to lidar being a necessity. The below article has about four first impressions of the latest build of full self-driving which features Park to Park. Meaning you can literally sit inside your garage. Set your destination, open the garage door and it will drive you to your destination and park itself without you ever having to touch the steering wheel. Now I mentioned there are three or four videos. Which are important because there are four different kinds of conditions.

The first one you'll note is on a snow-covered dirt road. If you were drop anybody else's self-driving vehicle into that situation, it would just have a nervous breakdown. Those lidar equipped vehicles can only operate inside their geofenced massively mapped areas. They simply can't deal with any place that isn't already known to them.

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Tesla FSD V13.2 users share first drive impressions

The first videos of Tesla FSD (Supervised) V13.2’s real-world performance have been shared online, and they are quite remarkable. As per comments from veteran FSD users, V13.2 is definitely the most capable build of the advanced driver-assist system that’s been shipped to consumers so far. True...
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glhs837

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Gilligan said:
Hmmm..

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...sting-tesla-on-revenue?embedded-checkout=true
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All is not as it seems. And I'll note that the press is always so hot for something, anything, to take Tesla down that they always assume that Tesla is a static thing that never changes. When in fact it never stops innovating.


Granted, it doesn't compare apples with apples: BYD makes both pure and hybrid electric cars, as well as mobile handsets and commercial vehicles. Strip out the estimated contribution from its mobiles division, and BYD raked in roughly $22 billion, similar to Tesla’s combined revenue from automotives and services.
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PeoplesElbow

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glhs837

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PeoplesElbow said:
Yea, why does he do this stuff? To me he is a bored child playing with a toy.

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Elon Musk Rehires Entire Supercharger Team After Halting Development by Firing Them

In a surprising turn of events, Tesla CEO Elon Musk has decided to rehire the entire Supercharger team that he recently fired, effectively halting one of ... Continue Reading →
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So why does this article refer to the events of May as happening last week? We know now that the disruption was minimal and the networks expansion wasnt hindered.

Why did he do that? Seems he told the head of the division he needed to cut manning. That person said nope, so Elon showed him who is boss and made a show of firing everybody.
Gilligan said:
GM news...

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/com...1&cvid=94a02107c12e4ae4bd92c8fc25586e17&ei=30
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And this is why you dont toss free govt billions to the OEMs. reduces the amount of skin they have in the game so they don't care about quitting instead of sticking it out. Sadly, they had an example to crib from but just couldnt break free of doing things the Detroit way. Endless tiers of suppliers, distributed multi-vendor software systems kludged together. Costly and time consuming internal turf battles between teams.
 
PeoplesElbow

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glhs837 said:
So why does this article refer to the events of May as happening last week? We know now that the disruption was minimal and the networks expansion wasnt hindered.

Why did he do that? Seems he told the head of the division he needed to cut manning. That person said nope, so Elon showed him who is boss and made a show of firing everybody.


And this is why you dont toss free govt billions to the OEMs. reduces the amount of skin they have in the game so they don't care about quitting instead of sticking it out. Sadly, they had an example to crib from but just couldnt break free of doing things the Detroit way. Endless tiers of suppliers, distributed multi-vendor software systems kludged together. Costly and time consuming internal turf battles between teams.
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That was the act of a retarded child, sure fire the head, no problem with that.
 
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PeoplesElbow said:
That was the act of a retarded child, sure fire the head, no problem with that.
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I'm saying we don't have all the details Keep in mind, this was not just about this guy, but a warning shot to other execs. And you can be sure the people that stayed fired were on the layoff list already. So fire them all, then bring back the ones you planned on not letting go in the first place.

You could be right, it might have been done in a fit of anger. I'm offering a alternate view where it wasnt, but rather to kill a few bords with one stone. Get rid of the guy who runs the dining car because he's decided he runs the train now. Reduce manning to fit your new schedule and possibly remove deadwood as you have increased production efficiency. Let other division leads know that they should not try and grab the throttle of the train.
 
PeoplesElbow

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glhs837 said:
I'm saying we don't have all the details Keep in mind, this was not just about this guy, but a warning shot to other execs. And you can be sure the people that stayed fired were on the layoff list already. So fire them all, then bring back the ones you planned on not letting go in the first place.

You could be right, it might have been done in a fit of anger. I'm offering a alternate view where it wasnt, but rather to kill a few bords with one stone. Get rid of the guy who runs the dining car because he's decided he runs the train now. Reduce manning to fit your new schedule and possibly remove deadwood as you have increased production efficiency. Let other division leads know that they should not try and grab the throttle of the train.
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He could have simply fired the executives rather than played with the actual workers emotions. If I was a rank and file worker I would not want to work for a company that acts like that. Honestly it would have served them right if they couldn't restaff appropriately.
 
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Seven months from groundbreaking to start of production tests in the Shanghai Megapack factory. Should bring billions more to the bottom line before the end of the year.

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PeoplesElbow

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Has Tesla, more Elon Musk, broken the cardinal rule of not knowing his base customers similar to what Bud Light did?

The stock has lost half its value in the last two months. Looks like Europe is a lost cause for Tesla now, they may lose a big revenue stream of "carbon credits" they sell to traditional car companies because they are tied to how many cars they sell and that revenue stream is pure profit.

The face of a business should not even make their politics visible IMHO, unless their business revolves around a particular side.

How much farther down will it go?
 
Clem72

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PeoplesElbow said:
Has Tesla, more Elon Musk, broken the cardinal rule of not knowing his base customers similar to what Bud Light did?

The stock has lost half its value in the last two months. Looks like Europe is a lost cause for Tesla now, they may lose a big revenue stream of "carbon credits" they sell to traditional car companies because they are tied to how many cars they sell and that revenue stream is pure profit.

The face of a business should not even make their politics visible IMHO, unless their business revolves around a particular side.

How much farther down will it go?
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I would say he's screwed, and he definitely is in Asia and much of Europe, but not domestically. Much of the world have a lot of cheaper equivalent (or even better) options, so if Tesla isn't the "brand name" EV, then there's no reason to buy it. He is probably fine here in the US, because the traditional companies are still not willing to actually compete and the small companies like Lucid won't be able to attract the investment to scale enough to take advantage.

So Tesla sales will slump for a couple years here, then when the next D administration starts pushing EVs hard again they will come back. Probably without Elon, you know just like how Bill Gates "retired" from managing Microsoft when he was unpopular.
 
PeoplesElbow

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Clem72 said:
I would say he's screwed, and he definitely is in Asia and much of Europe, but not domestically. Much of the world have a lot of cheaper equivalent (or even better) options, so if Tesla isn't the "brand name" EV, then there's no reason to buy it. He is probably fine here in the US, because the traditional companies are still not willing to actually compete and the small companies like Lucid won't be able to attract the investment to scale enough to take advantage.

So Tesla sales will slump for a couple years here, then when the next D administration starts pushing EVs hard again they will come back. Probably without Elon, you know just like how Bill Gates "retired" from managing Microsoft when he was unpopular.
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That's my thought, he will be asked to step down, may be put on the board as a concession.
 
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