Midnightrider
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gottcha, pulled it directly from the rear you did.......elaine said:
Thank God for Smoke Free Restaurants!
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dems4me
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forever jewel said:
In response to your paragraphs (sorry I don't know how to quote peice by peice...)
Same theory along the lines of - I get migranes from perfume... I don't insist you NOT go out to a public place wearing that stinky crap... even though it's detrimental to my health and some people don't care to smell your stench even without the health factor :shrug: If its bothering me, I pull up my big girl panties and leave and go elsewhere, I don't demand EVERY ENTIRE FREAKN' bar and restaurant estabilshmentment in the ENTIRE freakn' state cater to me, of which HALF of them I'll never even think about setting foot in. I think its just wrong and self-centered in a world we share with other human beings. Why does it have to be one way or another… why not have y'all pick out 2,500 restaurants in the state you want to be perfect and nonsmoking and we can pick out 2,500 that does allow for our "filthy" but sane lifestyle. :shrug:
As for the "if they don't like it they don’t' have to smoke while they are out" is just crap… have you ever been around someone that has exceeded their "no nicotine tolerance limit" it's not a pretty site, but then again, I guess you wouldn't know anything in your bubbleized and sanitized perfect world. No one is asking the nonsmokers to "cater" to someone else's "filthy habit", just go to a place that you know in advance is nonsmoking and smokers can go to a place they know in advance that is smoking. … why does it have to be all or nothing scenario.
As for the last paragraph... "Are non-smokers supposed to limit our dining options, so those who smoke can have their cigarettes? How is that fair? :shrug"
That's crap. Do you not already "LIMIT your dining options" because one place serves alcohol, one places doesn’t. Do you not already "LIMIT your dining options" because of crowds, one is crowded one is not. Do you not already "LIMIT your dining options" because one place serves Chinese the other place serves steak and you feel like Chinese? Do you not already "LIMIT your dining options" because one is more kid friendly like Chucky Cheese and another isn't? Do you not already "LIMIT your dinig options" because one is more of a biker bar than a nice dining area? Do you not already "LIMIT your dining options" because one place is more expensive than theother? Do you not already"LIMIT your dining options" because one place has faster and better service than another place? Do you not alerady "LIMIT yoru dining options" because one place is closer to where you live? See FJ, you are already limiting your dining options everytime you choose to go out to eat already… I don't see what the problem is, now having to add smoking or nonsmoking etablishment to your list of weeding down the most perfect restaurant to sit your perfect azz in. I think its selfish of any group to take away the rights of another when there can be such an easy compromise. You are already narrowing down your options each time you go out, just factor in smoking or nonsmoking :shrug: If you want a nonsmoking restaurant to patron than go to one and drive the extra distance, just the same as if you wanted to go to a Chinese resturant instead of steak house for dinner. Don't expect someone to change their lifestyle just because you might one day in the next decade decide to want to eat Steak instead of Chinese for lunch. I'm sorry FJ, I just don't agree and never will agree with the all or nothing logic. There are too many resturants in the state to NOT be able to reach an amicable compromise. :shrug:
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Midnightrider
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well, if you are in St marys, they have no emissions testing yet. everywhere else there re certain exceptions, either they fall under these exceptions or are likely registered in St Marys. But in general there are restrictions and most cars have to meet them. As for deisel trucks, they are a compromise, we need them for commerce to continue, however, there are numerous restrictions on deisel and currently there is this: http://www.ucsusa.org/clean_vehicles/big_rig_cleanup/diesel-emissions-reduction-act.htmlelaine said:
notice, nothing pulled from my butt either.
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dems4me
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elaine said:I'm really enjoying your feedback on this issue.I must add, however, that your logic does not suit their little bubble world.
I know it must be nice to delude themselves into thinking they live in a crisp, clean and sanitized world and then think that if only they can get rid of people smoking in their world it would be completely utopian.
Not only that but the ridiculousness of thinking that they have to "limit" their dining habits to cater to smokers is just BS when they have to already limit their dining habits to about 50 other factors already (I really could have gone on and on further in my list). I think its just self-pity, pathetic martyrdom bull crap.... reminds me of illegal aliens that come here and want to change the language here because they can't speak the language, as if compromise wasn't good enough (i.e.... press 1 for English, press 2 for Spanish)... again, I say if you don't like it leave or come up with a compromise.
Surely these people are NOT going to visit every restaurant and bar in the state to be sooo drastically offended by the smoke. If anything it sounds like more of a vendetta by some of the folks from some other deepseeded/rooted issue :shrug: I could have suggested that if they didn't like the smoke, they are welcome to get up in the middle of dinner, interrupt everything and company to go stand in a bathroom or outside for 15 min. for freshe air then come back to the table... but somehow that sounded a little odd... although that's what they expect us to do. Really if it bothered them to that extent of ever having to do this or anything similiar... why not leave... they do have that choice... and there are places that cater to them and are nonsmoking... sounds more like they want to control their smoking friends they dine with than the environment.... and by making a restaurant nonsmoking everywhere is just less confrontational for them maybe :shrug: If everyone was a nonsmoker they are dining with than why didn't they just go to a nonsmoking restaurant to begin with :shrug:
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Midnightrider
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yeah, just like the compromise where you get to keep smoking just not in restarauntes and bars......elaine said:
But the fact remains that ALL restaurants and bars (not to mention bingo halls) have ALWAYS had the capability of being a non-smoking establishment. So if not allowing smoking increases business, why didn't they do it of their own volition?kwillia said:
This is a pure logic trail. If business truly increases when restaurants don't allow smoking, then why didn't they go non-smoking on their own? They're in business to make money, right?
I only know first-hand about my own observations, and that is that bars/restaurants that allow smoking are typically busier on a Friday or Saturday night than ones that do not allow smoking. If more people want a non-smoking environment, why aren't they patronizing the businesses that are ALREADY non-smoking? Why aren't there lines of people waiting for tables at the existing non-smoking restaurants?
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vraiblonde said:
Maybe we should do a poll, has one been done yet? ... the question can be... Will nonsmoking bars and restaurant's increase my personal patronage?? - Something like this??? :shrug:
1 yes, I'm a nonsmoker and everyone I hang out with is a nonsmoker and will be happy
2. yes, because I don't smoke and most folks I run with could care less
3- no, although I'm a nonsmoker, I hang around too many smoking friends and they wouldn't want to go
4. no, I'm a smoker and would prefer not to be in a nonsmoking setting for eating and drinking
5 - won't affect me one way or the other
We can try to do our own poll to settle this question :shrug:
This is the truth and Larry will back it up:
Mexicali Cantina doesn't allow smoking, but they have the best Mexican food in Frederick (maybe tied with La Paz). We went there on a Saturday night and there were maybe 10 tables of people in this huge dual-sectioned restaurant.
By contrast, Casa Rico has THE WORST Mexican food on the planet, plus their waiters have BO. They allow smoking. They also are jam packed on a Saturday night, and are pretty busy throughout the rest of the week as well.
Why do the people who want Mexican go to Casa Rico and sit in the non-smoking section when they can go to Mexicali with better food and NO smoking?
Mexicali Cantina doesn't allow smoking, but they have the best Mexican food in Frederick (maybe tied with La Paz). We went there on a Saturday night and there were maybe 10 tables of people in this huge dual-sectioned restaurant.
By contrast, Casa Rico has THE WORST Mexican food on the planet, plus their waiters have BO. They allow smoking. They also are jam packed on a Saturday night, and are pretty busy throughout the rest of the week as well.
Why do the people who want Mexican go to Casa Rico and sit in the non-smoking section when they can go to Mexicali with better food and NO smoking?
Personal polls won't matter because what people say they want, and what they REALLY want are many times two different things.dems4me said:
Non-smokers say they're happy because now they can go to dinner and not have to smell smoke. So what was keeping them away from the non-smoking restaurants all these years?
forever jewel
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I don't see it as self-centered...just self-preservation. Lord knows my asthmatic lungs hate me whenever I'm near smoke.dems4me said:
No one is perfect. Both my parents at one point in time smoked. My mother quit when I was six, but my father was smoked all of my life (at least). When I am at home, choose not to hang around my father when he smokes.dems4me said:
dems4me said:
I understand that I willfully limit my dining options when I go out to various places due to food selection, service and cost. But I have trouble believing that there are MANY restaurants locally that are smoke-free. And I am not driving across the state just to cater to my non-smoking needs. How is that fair? Allowing smokers free roam to local restaurants, while telling the rest of us to buzz off if we don't enjoy the sweet smell of cigarette smoke?
So what would you consider and easy compromise?dems4me said:
T.Rally
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I don't necessarily agree with smoking bans, however, I believe I think I see the rationale behind it. I don't believe that state in this particular case is concerned about the health or lack thereof of smokers. The reason why smoking was ended in public office buildings was basically a matter of worker protection. Now we can argue about the roles of govt, big brother, second hand smoke, etc but the truth is laws were passed that forbid smoking in public office buildings under the guise of worker protection. We've accepted them, smokers and non smokers alike, and pretty much believe it to be a good thing. Using that same logic, what makes my life as an office worker more important than that of a restaurant/bar employee?
I think the dangers of second hand smoke are over exaggerated but if a restaurant/bar employee were to contract lung cancer, should they be able to sue the state of Md for not providing the same protection?
The battle of smoker's rights was lost a long time ago. I worry more for whats next on the agenda. Guns? Most likely. Fast food? Near future. Caffeine? Sour cream?
I think the dangers of second hand smoke are over exaggerated but if a restaurant/bar employee were to contract lung cancer, should they be able to sue the state of Md for not providing the same protection?
The battle of smoker's rights was lost a long time ago. I worry more for whats next on the agenda. Guns? Most likely. Fast food? Near future. Caffeine? Sour cream?
Toxick
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forever jewel said:
1) Buildings with smoking sections. [REJECTED]
2) Some places allow smoking, others do not [REJECTED]
People in favor of the ban do not want compromise.
They want all the sections of all the buildings to cater to their intolerance.
Mark my words, the next ban (and there will be a next ban) will be: No smoking in any public place, even outdoors,because non smokers will complain about how, "When I finish my meal, I have to walk through smoke to get to my car. WAH-WAH-EFFING-WAH! ME ME ME MINE MINE MINE"
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A compromise would be maybe vote on which restaurants are smoke free and which arn't... let the majority rule :shrug: That's how we in America "land of the free" decide how alot of things are done. :shrug:
Don't know... you are the one's giving us the boot... shouldn't it be on y'all's shoulders to tell us where we can eat and dine that is inline with our lifestyle?
Personally, I don't eat out at enough restaurants to really care if only 10 or 20 allow for smoke and the ones I go to generally are already smoke free or the people I go with are nonsmokers and I'm happy to oblige. I'm more concerned with the government dictating this than anything and then you have to wonder where it'll stop :shrug:
I definately think the majority of bars should allow for smoking though. Alot of people go there to do other things than drink or eat - such as for shooting pool, playing darts, dancing, etc... I can't imagine going to shoot pool and we are playing partners, and then having to wait for each and every person to go out for a 10 min. smoke break then come back just to finish a game... sounds kind of disrruptive and a PITA running around in parking lots trying to track the people down, if it was leagues it'd take all night to get done with the games. Not to mention, if me and person go out to smoke (if its just me and another)... all of a sudden we risk loosing our pool table because no one is there playing (empty table) and we abided by a now LAW and went outside for a ciggerette.
So there, you can have all the places that don't serve alcohol and is more family friendly and has kid's-o-plenty running around and I can still smoke and hang out in pool halls and go to adult resturants that serve alochol if I feel like eating
Don't know what to suggest for the Bingo halls... every time I've played Bingo I have a hard enough time keeping up with my 10 boards and dabbers and pulltabs as it is, let alone leaving for a 10 min. smoke break then trying to play catch up :shrug:
Don't know... you are the one's giving us the boot... shouldn't it be on y'all's shoulders to tell us where we can eat and dine that is inline with our lifestyle?
Personally, I don't eat out at enough restaurants to really care if only 10 or 20 allow for smoke and the ones I go to generally are already smoke free or the people I go with are nonsmokers and I'm happy to oblige. I'm more concerned with the government dictating this than anything and then you have to wonder where it'll stop :shrug:I definately think the majority of bars should allow for smoking though. Alot of people go there to do other things than drink or eat - such as for shooting pool, playing darts, dancing, etc... I can't imagine going to shoot pool and we are playing partners, and then having to wait for each and every person to go out for a 10 min. smoke break then come back just to finish a game... sounds kind of disrruptive and a PITA running around in parking lots trying to track the people down, if it was leagues it'd take all night to get done with the games. Not to mention, if me and person go out to smoke (if its just me and another)... all of a sudden we risk loosing our pool table because no one is there playing (empty table) and we abided by a now LAW and went outside for a ciggerette.
So there, you can have all the places that don't serve alcohol and is more family friendly and has kid's-o-plenty running around and I can still smoke and hang out in pool halls and go to adult resturants that serve alochol if I feel like eating
Don't know what to suggest for the Bingo halls... every time I've played Bingo I have a hard enough time keeping up with my 10 boards and dabbers and pulltabs as it is, let alone leaving for a 10 min. smoke break then trying to play catch up :shrug:
Should we take a state-wide vote on how the Somd.com forums, classifieds and website in general should be run and what type of communication we should allow?dems4me said:
Because that's what it boils down to - the government taking control of small businesses.
It doesn't matter what you or I or anyone thinks. The MD legislature has already decided that there will be NO smoking in ANY bar, restaurant, or private club. O'Malley has already said he would sign a smoking ban.dems4me said:
It's over. In one year, smoking in these privately owned businesses will be against the law.