Thank God for Smoke Free Restaurants!

[kwillia]

Yes it is, but I don't play bingo, I have to work at bingo several times a year. One of the complaints used by parents to get out of working is that the smoke smell is so intense. My bigger concern though is that the smokers spend a LOT more in that bingo hall than nonsmokers and what is spent brings in revenues for the schools. If smoking is banned there I see a decrease in revenues. Without the profitable bingo revenue, I also foresee a huge hike in tuitions and fundraising. So my question was directly related to my wallet.

Fox 'n Friends was talking about the smoking ban that has been in effect for a while now in NY. Apparently it has increased business considerably in all areas.

I'm thinking you will most likely see the same effect. Lots of people stay away from the bingo halls because they can't tolerate the smoking. Those folks will most likely come out now.

 

[Toxick]

I think vrai did. She asked to be shown where it says anyone has a right to clean air, or something like that.

I was being facetious.

I think every single person who supports this ban used a variant of "you don't have the right to pollute my air" as their primary supporting argument.

 

[mAlice]

I was being facetious.

I think every single person who supports this ban used a variant of "you don't have the right to pollute my air" as their primary supporting argument.

If they did have a right to clean air, we'd all being driving a prius.

 

[Midnightrider]

If they did have a right to clean air, we'd all being driving a prius.

Ummm sorry, we do already have laws governing clean air as it relates to auto and industrial emmisions. So i guess this means we do have a right to clean air?

 

[mAlice]

Ummm sorry, we do already have laws governing clean air as it relates to auto and industrial emmisions. So i guess this means we do have a right to clean air?

As usual, right over your head.

 

[forever jewel]

Obviously you havent been to the "7th" in a while, due to the Tobacco Buyouts there isnt much Tobacco being grown anymore. Majority of it, in our area, is done by the Amish, with even that nowhere near the levels it used to be.


disclaimer - not saying tobacco isnt grown, but its greatly diminished

Oh I know. My family used to raise tobacco. But my comment was referring to the many 7th residents that not necessarily raise tobacco but smoke it.

 

[dems4me]

In all seriousness, just because people have the liberty to smoke, does not give them the authority to contaminate the air of the non-smokers. There is a reason why non-smokers are called NON-smokers. If those who smoke must have their cigarette, they can go outside. Cold or not, you'll feel better after that cigarette, won't you?

Somehow I don't see it stopping there. If folks go outside for a smoke, most folks will go in front of the restaurant... then the perfect people will complain about having to go through all the smoke just to get in the doors, then we'll be moved outside by the dumpters out of the way of the perfect people. At the last place I worked we were allowed to smoke outside only, and even that was dictatated where outside we could smoke. The smoking area was by dumpsters in a back alley... took 10 minutes just to walk to it. We can smoke outside but give us some seats and dont' have the people that think they are perfect biatch about going through a cloud of smoke to get to the restaurant and I'll be ok. But, I still don't see why though we have to be the ones to jump through hurdles and why it has to be an all or nothing deal. :shrug:

For example, if you go to a church and don't like the pastor or the message, you don't insist on the church changing its beilefs and the pastor being outsted, you go elsewhere to another church that is more in line with your beilefs. You can't just expect the world to cater to you just because you live closer to the church, its more convenient for you and you happen to like their choir…thereby demanding you get your way and have everything change. There are numerous other places you can go to to find another church. Same as restautrants… there's plenty of restaurants in the tri-county area YOU could go to that don't have smoking or have a better nonsmoking sysetm set up. For nonsmokers to insist and now for the government to now legislate it is just wrong. :shrug: It takes away choices, compromise and tolerance. If you don't like it, leave and find another place, there are plenty around to choose from. Why demand it be ALL restaurants and bars, half of which YOU will never personally patron. :shrug: Doesn't sound fair to me. :shrug:

 

[Midnightrider]

As usual, right over your head.

no, as usual you posted something totally idiotic and think it supports your case......

so your telling me the fleet milage rate for cars sold in america hasn't been forced upward by the governments inacting clean air legislation.
You brought up the comparision, not me

 

[Ken King]

Exactly what is the bill number that was passed or at least a decent bill title as I would like to read the text of the legislation.

Okay, checking on SOMD.com's headline news the bills indicated are SB91 and HB359 (links for both) http://mlis.state.md.us/2007RS/bills/sb/sb0091e.pdf and http://mlis.state.md.us/2007RS/bills/hb/hb0359t.pdf .

What is readily apparent is that both of these bills state in various places;

2–105.
(d) (1) (i) Notwithstanding any regulations adopted by the Secretary under this section, the smoking of tobacco products is permitted in any of the following locations unless restricted as authorized under paragraph (3) of this subsection:
1. any portion of a private residence which is not open to the public for business purposes;
2. any establishment that:
A. is not a restaurant or hotel as defined in Article 2B, §1–102 of the Code;
B. possesses an alcoholic beverages license issued under Article 2B of the Code that allows consumption of alcoholic beverages on the premises of the establishment; and
C. is generally recognized as a bar or tavern;
3. a bar in a hotel or motel;
4. a club as defined in Article 2B, § 1–102 of the Code that possesses an alcoholic beverages license issued under Article 2B of the Code and that allows consumption of alcoholic beverages on the premises of the club;

(3) Notwithstanding the provisions of this subsection, a proprietor of an establishment described in paragraph (1) of this subsection may restrict or prohibit smoking on the premises of the establishment.

So what are they saying? Is it up to the proprietor to decide? If so, what is different and is it as bad as what is being touted?

 

[Toxick]

no, as usual you posted something totally idiotic and think it supports your case......

so your telling me the fleet milage rate for cars sold in america hasn't been forced upward by the governments inacting clean air legislation.

I don't remember her saying that.


However, I have noticed that vehicles that emit exhaust (viz smoke) have not been banned.


And in spite of legislation most vehicles STILL emit exhaust, thereby fouling the environment and infringing on everyone's right to breath clean air.

 

[forever jewel]

Somehow I don't see it stopping there. If folks go outside for a smoke, most folks will go in front of the restaurant... then the perfect people will complain about having to go through all the smoke just to get in the doors, then we'll be moved outside by the dumpters out of the way of the perfect people. At the last place I worked we were allowed to smoke outside only, and even that was dictatated where outside we could smoke. The smoking area was by dumpsters in a back alley... took 10 minutes just to walk to it. We can smoke outside but give us some seats and dont' have the people that think they are perfect biatch about going through a cloud of smoke to get to the restaurant and I'll be ok. But, I still don't see why though we have to be the ones to jump through hurdles and why it has to be an all or nothing deal. :shrug:

But why must non-smokers cater to someone else's filthy habit. I'm sorry if smokers don't enjoy smoking outside in the rain or beside a dumpster. If they don't like it, they don't have to smoke while they are out.

If you don't like it, leave and find another place, there are plenty around to choose from. Why demand it be ALL restaurants and bars, half of which YOU will never personally patron. :shrug: Doesn't sound fair to me. :shrug:

Are non-smokers supposed to limit our dining options, so those who smoke can have their cigarettes? How is that fair? :shrug:

 

[Midnightrider]

I don't remember her saying that.


However, I have noticed that vehicles that emit exhaust (viz smoke) have not been banned.


And in spite of legislation most vehicles STILL emit exhaust, thereby fouling the environment and infringing on everyone's right to breath clean air.

and they aren't saying you can't emit smoke, they are just limiting where, just like they are just reducing the emmissions on a per car basis.....

 

[forever jewel]

Thank God for Smoke Fre... 04-11-2007 09:06 AM You really are as stupid as you seem

And you're really as ball-less as you seem. Can't even sign your karma

 

[Toxick]

and they aren't saying you can't emit smoke, they are just limiting where, just like they are just reducing the emmissions on a per car basis.....

The point is the "right to clean air".


Or rather, the lack thereof.

 

[mAlice]

Thank God for Smoke Fre... 04-11-2007 09:06 AM You really are as stupid as you seem

And you're really as ball-less as you seem. Can't even sign your karma

I sent it. How's that for balls?

 

[Midnightrider]

The point is the "right to clean air".


Or rather, the lack thereof.

right, and elain said if we had that right, we would all be driving prius.
Intimating that if we had a right to clean air the government would regulate what we could drive to the point we would all be driving electric cars.
I'm saying, while we may not be driving electric cars YET, the government certainly regulates emissions from cars and there fore her argument supports the idea we have a right to clean air.

also, for those old smoking cars, most places you have to go in for emissions tests, fail that and you dont get your registration until you get it fixed or a waiver

 

[forever jewel]

I sent it. How's that for balls?

Oh what a surprise

 

[mAlice]

also, for those old smoking cars, most places you have to go in for emissions tests, fail that and you dont get your registration until you get it fixed or a waiver

So how do you explain the mac trucks that have billowing black smoke coming out of them? The old clunkers that you have to break the law speeding to get around, or die suckin' in the exhaust? If it was that important, the cops would be pulling these guys over and getting them off the road. The emissions tests we have right now are for no other reason than to pacify the whiners.

 

[Midnightrider]

So how do you explain the mac trucks that have billowing black smoke coming out of them? The old clunkers that you have to break the law speeding to get around, or die suckin' in the exhaust? If it was that important, the cops would be pulling these guys over and getting them off the road. The emissions tests we have right now are for no other reason than to pacify the whiners.

is that your scientific opinion?

 

[mAlice]

is that your scientific opinion?

Did I say it was scientific? Did I link you to a source?