You all realize, of course, that this is just the beginning. The minute Terri Schiavo dies, her parents will be suing everyone they can get their hands on for "wrongful death".
Watch and see.
Watch and see.
The GOP's TITANIC Shiavo mistake...
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Larry Gude
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Then the most scrutinized man in Florida history has gotten away with the perfect crime so far because they've been laying this on him since the day he decided to call it quits and let her go.
There is no evidence at all and, to the contrary, a few odd balls who were completely discredited with allegations against him.
Ain't no wonder the brother is pissed.
I know fact certain the allegation stemming from her neck 'injuries' are horseshit. Everyone who goes through extended coma and vegative state ends up with neck muscle problems. It, an involuntary clenching of the muscles, is a pysiological reality of the condition.
Kid I know was put in a cast to help deal with it.
AC/DC said:
Then the most scrutinized man in Florida history has gotten away with the perfect crime so far because they've been laying this on him since the day he decided to call it quits and let her go.
There is no evidence at all and, to the contrary, a few odd balls who were completely discredited with allegations against him.
Ain't no wonder the brother is pissed.
I know fact certain the allegation stemming from her neck 'injuries' are horseshit. Everyone who goes through extended coma and vegative state ends up with neck muscle problems. It, an involuntary clenching of the muscles, is a pysiological reality of the condition.
Kid I know was put in a cast to help deal with it.
In 15 years, there has been no evidence of any kind that suggests he physically abused her. That allegation came from the Schindlers when it became clear that FL wasn't going to terminate Michael Schiavo's spousal rights. Then they got some stupid ass nurse to come forward with all kinds of silliness - how he tried to shoot her with insulin, called her a b!tch, yadda yadda. None of this, not a single allegation, has any credibility because it's the word of dozens of doctors against the Schindlers and one nurse.AC/DC said:
Now for you, Ken King:
In order to believe that Terri Schiavo is being killed with no regard to her rights and against FL State law, you must also believe that:
- 19 state judges are wrong on their interpretation of the law
- Several federal judges are in on it
- The Supreme Court is wrong as well
- Every doctor that has been personally involved in her care is either lying or a quack
- The xrays of her cerebral cortex are fakes OR the numerous doctors who have interpreted those xrays and testified in court don't know what they're doing
- Bill Frist is such a fantastic doctor that he can diagnose her by merely looking at a picture of her
- Jeb Bush is so great and powerful that he doesn't even need to see pictures to know that all these doctors and judges are wrong
willie
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Larry Gude said:
Since this is supposedly Terri's wishes, I did a search on euthanasia and it appears that every state including Florida has already taken this to the Supreme court and won thereby making suicide and assisted suicide a Federal no-no.
On June 26, 1997, the Supreme Court unanimously upheld the right of states to prohibit assisted suicide. The decisions in Washington v. Glucksberg(68) and Vacco v. Quill(69) dealt a crushing 9 to 0 blow to proponents of assisted suicide.
This is just one of many. Why isn't one enough?
bout time a republican showed some common sense
Larry Gude
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Willie...
Hey, as far as Florida, Ken posted the law yesterday and I'm with you.
....BUT...
The question is whether or not an individual has the right to refuse medical treatment, the right to die.
willie said:
Hey, as far as Florida, Ken posted the law yesterday and I'm with you.
....BUT...
The question is whether or not an individual has the right to refuse medical treatment, the right to die.
Exactly. So anyone who even mentions the word "euthanasia" or "assisted suicide" with regard to this case needs to get a dictionary.Larry Gude said:
Terri Schiavo isn't being euthanized, i.e. given something that will terminate her life. She is being taken off artifical feeding methods and refusing medical treatment.
That is NOT euthanasia NOR is it assisted suicide.
only reason bush and his cronies jumped in it was because it drew attention from what they were elected to do, and their incompetence to perform the tasks, didnt anyone read or remember whats his name hugh finn i think, in manassass va????
willie
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Just because we read the dictionary to mean that, others have their own translation. Assisted suicide is exactly how one of the pundits described the situation and living wills in general. These people think we have no right to decide our fate no matter what the circumstance. That Virginia Governor did the identical thing back in '97 (I think). We haven't learned crap.vraiblonde said:
I don't care what some pundit says. Words mean something and someone can call a flower a dog all day long, but it is still a flower, not a dog.willie said:
And Thumper had it right - "THAT'S not a flower!!!"RoseRed said:
So an animated rabbit has more sense than TV pundits.
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I have to say that the biggest problem with this is that it's really nobody's business but the family's. The only reason that it's a big deal is that the media and special intrest groups have turned it into a giant reality tv series.
It’s nice to know that you know what I must believe; maybe you should be a judge. I think some of these Judges (Greer, Baird, and Shames) have misapplied the laws by their actions in this case. It must happen quite often or there would be no need for an appellate court of any form. What I have been doing is trying to find the where or what in the law allows them to do what they have ordered. I haven’t found it yet.vraiblonde said:
I have no issue with the Federal or Supreme Court justices as they have defaulted this to a state’s issue and just won’t get involved, which I think is as it should be.
When or where have I said any of the doctors involved are quacks? I think that there are differences of opinion as it relates to her condition and to how the laws are worded. The phrase in the law that says “The absence of voluntary action or cognitive behavior of any kind” is what I am hung up on. I see that as being quite a few different things; some of which are very simple. For instance, would the suffering of hunger pains fall into that category? I mean if she is brain dead how could she know, feel or react to that. Yet I understand that they are providing morphine to reduce those pains thus treating her for what she feels. Would a feeling of pain be a cognitive behavior?
As to the “x-ray” comment I’ll let that slide. I believe that it would be an MRI or an EEG that would show any sign of damage to the cortex as it is soft tissue and x-rays do little to detect or define soft tissue damage. Besides, I have never disputed that damage exists or not and I fully believe that there is more now then 15 years ago when this all started due to the many infections that she has suffered. But based on the current morphine treatment someone knows that she feels something.
I don’t care what Bill Frist says on the issue, his opinions hold no greater weight than any of ours in my mind. I think he should act like the Federal Courts have and back out as this is Florida’s issue and not that of the Federal Government.
As to Jeb Bush I think he is just trying to do his job, execute the laws passed by the state legislature. There are laws on the books that he seems to view as I do, calling for his involvement and that of other state agencies like protective services. I don’t fault him for that. It’s a decision I wouldn’t want to make and in all honesty I would be more inclined to allow for euthanasia rather than let her to continue to be treated as she is. For what you don’t know about me is that I believe in the right to die even if our government doesn’t. I would much rather see a quick end to suffering rather than make people drag on when all knowledge shows that there is no hope for them.