I didn't say anywhere not to embrace the offering. I stated that I think Starman was saying we should be wary. I agree.
The Letter of 138 Muslim scholars to the Pope and Christian Leaders
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I didn't say anywhere not to embrace the offering. I stated that I think Starman was saying we should be wary. I agree.
Only if you can't read, or you read with a predisposition to finding hate where there is none.
I implied nothing. I stated that it may be a smoke screen. Is it? I don't know. The word "may" expresses uncertainty. Are you certain that it is not a smoke screen?
Xaquin44
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and saying it 'may' be a smoke screen isn't implying?
just like saying something 'may' be a trap implies that you think it could be.
I doubt it's a 'smoke screen' .... believe it or not, many people are actually good people who are not trying to trick you.
I swear, 'true' christians, atheists, muslims and everyone else are so similar that it's both sad and funny. So much distrust, suspician and internal malice (disguised as honest and open external debate) on each side.
I really think that in the end, god takes a back seat and either side just wants to be seen as right.
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Toxick
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I understood that - And that's what I was responding to.
That's twice I've done that in this thread.... maybe I should respond directly to the posts I'm addressing.....
Anyway - I disagree with both of you on this one... what should we be wary about? As Christians, what do we possibly have to lose by accepting an outstretched hand?
It's not like we're going to invite them into our clubhouse and show them the super-sekrit-handshake, and they'll turn around and de-pants us in front of all the laughing and pointing atheists and pagans. They're not going to give the pope a wedgie and run his big hat up the flagpole.
And let's say this peace peace offering is a ruse? Then what? What would we have lost, exactly? If this is some kind of trick (which I seriously doubt), then we'll just go back to the way things are now. Big whoop.
Personally, I can't see any reason to NOT respond to this letter with anything but open arms.
Xaquin44
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the muslims from Delta house would.
Starman3000m
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Exactly right. Thanks 2A. My intention is to warn that we should in fact be wary of those who extend an olive-branch which is really not in good faith but in deception in order to get us to let our guard down.
That is exactly what Jesus would do; warn of wolves in sheeps clothing and of false prophets.
The quotes I posted are the true intentions of the Islamic ideology and these spokesmen mean what they say.
I believe many who claim that I did not read the article did not really read it themselves, otherwise they would have noted the following comment within the article:
Also, the Islamic claim that Muslims worship the "same God" is not true, as "Al'lah" discounts the Deity of Jesus. Muslims do not believe that Jesus is the Son of God and Saviour of mankind; the fundamental faith in Christianity.
Islam is anti-Christian, anti-Semitic, anti-Atheist - basically against any non-Islamic society. Those who wish to deny this do so at the peril of their own future.
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Xaquin44
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THE MUSLIMS ARE IN OUR FORT!!!
2A GET THE WATER BALLOONS!
I'LL MAN THE SUPERSOAKER BRIGADE!
OH NO! THEY'RE USING THEIR ALLAH POWERS COMBINED WITH A GARDEN HOSE!
WE ARE TRULY LOST UNLESS OUR GOD CREATIVLY USES THE SLIP AND SLIDE ESCAPE ROUTE AND REGROUPS WITH A MILLION SOAKED NERF FOOTBALLS!
Toxick
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At which point they will...... what?
Stop being our friend?
Now - I'm talking as a Christian - not an American. Obviously, America isn't going to open our doors to these people, let them wander in, learn all about our nucular technology, go home and then build up an arsenal to use against us... Living together in tolerance doesn't mean that they'll be living in our homes with scimitars deftly hidden down their pantsleg waiting for the order to unleash fury.
So what does this ruse gain them?
In other words - what happens when they execute Order #66?
Starman3000m
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Islamic theology prohibits Muslims from taking Jews and Christians as friends and associates. Muslims, however, are permitted to lie and deceive in order to advance the cause of Al'lah and belief in Muhammad. Muslims are allowed to enter into a temporary "peace-pact" calld a "Hudna" until which time they gain advantage over non-Muslims and can then break the peace treaty in order to wage Jihad again. The overall goal of Islam is to subjugate all societies dominate the entire world with the rule of Islam.
Through the present "political correctness" Islam will have an easy task in making changes within America as it is doing now in Europe.
Perhaps this is the beginning of the prophesied false peace treaty that takes place in order to usher in the reign of the One World Government/One World Religion and eventual rise of anti-Christ.
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Toxick
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Living in peace doesn't necessarily mean living as friends and associates.
I once had a psychotic neighbor whom I would have gladly watch get devoured by the earth if it cracked open under her feet... but I lived "in peace" with her, as in neither one of us burned the others house to the ground, or keyed each other's cars, or spoke to one another.
And my point is... WHAT advantage do you see them gaining from this?
I mean an advantage besides laying to rest centuries old hatred in favor of sleeping more soundly at night.
They sent this letter to the POPE - not the PRESIDENT. Do you think that the pope has some sort of information that would be relevant to them, that they don't already know or have access to?
If we "let down our guard" what can they do to betray us?
I'm sorry - I'm just not seeing any benefit to them, if this is a ploy.
I mean a benefit besides laying to rest centuries old hatred in favor of sleeping more soundly at night.
Well, luckily, we live within the sure and fast borders (ha-ha) of the United States of Deed-By-God America. And as long as the republic stands, the above is not going to happen.
Ever.
And I fail to see how the republic could suffer from newfound peace between the Abrahamic Religions.
Oy.
####ing.
Vey.
No. It was a flat statement. Implying is to involve or indicate by inference, association, or necessary consequence rather than by direct statement. I made a direct statement.
tommyjones
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funny you pull that one line but ignore the majority of the article that reads more liek this :
The fact that its signatories have increased compared to last year is noteworthy: from 38 – as it was last year – they have become 138. They represent over 43 nations, both Muslim and otherwise (in particular western nations). Among them are great muftis (that is leaders of the fatwa in a country), religious leaders, academics and scholars.
and btw, believeing in the same god and believeing in jesus as the messiah are two different things. One can believe in the one true god but reject that jesus is godly (i.e. the jews)
Xaquin44
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ok so you're directly saying it.
same deal, only you confirmed what I said you may be saying.
either way, there is no reason to be suspicious about this, and every reason to be happy about it.
I can embrace it and be happy and still be cautious. And I know that Biblical prophesy says that all peace attempts by Israel with its neighbors will fail. So I have reason to be be skeptical.
Xaquin44
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Read. Try Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, and Daniel.
Xaquin44
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I don't need confirmation of anything.
A casual glance at any news source will tell you mistakes are being made on both sides.
aps45819
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HELLO.... we let everybody wander in
Toxick
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I meant wander in - as in wander into where our juicy little secrets and tricks are kept.
Like where the formaldahyde tanks with the Area 51 aliens are kept.