Penn said:
forestal, you might want to let yourself out gracefully at this point, if that is possible.
I think that is appropriate advice, although I do not believe it is possible. He/it has been about as graceful as a rhino on a tightrope.
I usually don't even respond to him/it because (a) I think his posts are not worth it, and (b) others are better at it than myself.
But he/it truly showed the ugliness that lies beneath in the last 24 hours. I have never met Bob, Bustem, MMDad or most of the others here, but I can see them as good, decent people. Moreover, they - and the others that have served - have done so because they are capable of seeing the big picture: that there is a 'right' to fight for (as well as a wrong to fight against), and they have been willing to put their personal beliefs and affiliations aside to stand for those things. That willingness is called courage, not stupidity.
Anyone with a rational sense knows this.
Forestal doesn't. He/it doesn't just show his blind ideology, he/it flaunts it like a 40 foot neon sign at midnight.
When other Democrats are suggesting you leave... that is a bad sign. No one can force you, but I can't imagine why you
would stay, just to embarrass yourself further.