the moral chicken and egg

Xaquin44

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Not really, because in your mind(heart) where all just worm dirt. You have to accept your a sinner before anything happens.......:diva:

and I suppose people that accept they are sinners, but do it anyway are fine?

Hopefully, god isn't that big of a chump lol.
 
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Xaquin44

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We do it(sin), till the day we meet Him....:howdy:

so?

If you can curb it, but don't, do you honestly think he won't notice?

If you kick dogs and smack children on purpose, all the while banking on asking forgivness at the end, do you really think you'll get it?
 
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toppick08

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so?

If you can curb it, but don't, do you honestly think he won't notice?

If you kick dogs and smack children on purpose, all the while banking on asking forgivness at the end, do you really think you'll get it?

We'll all get it, if we beleive and trust in Him. I asked for forgiveness a long time ago. Apparently, this life hasn't kicked you hard enough to the curb to beleive in something greater than yourself......
 

Xaquin44

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We'll all get it, if we beleive and trust in Him. I asked for forgiveness a long time ago. Apparently, this life hasn't kicked you hard enough to the curb to beleive in something greater than yourself......

look, forgiving is fine etc., but if you really think you can be a dick all you want and do things you know are a sin, but just don't feel like stopping, you will probably be in for a shock.

Unless god is a chump .... because seriously, if some guy, say, threw a brick through every window in my house except for one and then asked forgivness, I'd beat the crap out of him
 
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toppick08

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look, forgiving is fine etc., but if you really think you can be a dick all you want and do things you know are a sin, but just don't feel like stopping, you will probably be in for a shock.

Unless god is a chump .... because seriously, if some guy, say, threw a brick through every window in my house except for one and then asked forgivness, I'd beat the crap out of him

You're coming around.......:buddies:
 

wxtornado

The Other White Meat
And yes, I know my example of creation/evolution was not the theme of what you were saying here... but all this stuff comes down to "beliefs" and the "prove" thing is not a working argument on things we can't replicate.... (try reproducing evolution in a lab - scientist's can't do this; try creating from the beginning like God - we "ain't" Him and cannot do... so neither can be proven.)

Evolution stands or falls according to how well it is supported by the facts, not according to who believes it. You are certainly free to dismiss gravitaional theory for example, but an apple won't be suspended in mid-air after falling out of a tree, because you don't believe it. That, my friend, is how science works. Oh, and evolution has indeed been observed in the lab as well as in the field :howdy:
 

fredcaudle

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Evolution stands or falls according to how well it is supported by the facts, not according to who believes it. You are certainly free to dismiss gravitaional theory for example, but an apple won't be suspended in mid-air after falling out of a tree, because you don't believe it. That, my friend, is how science works. Oh, and evolution has indeed been observed in the lab as well as in the field :howdy:
"Evolution stands or falls according to how well it is supported by the facts"... actually in all the web sites I visited the last two days and some text books I reveiwed do not use "facts" by the word "evidence". Evidence is not fact, but supports one's belief to what they veiw as fact. Your example of gravity... I doubt anyone here would argue the value of gravity and clear "eye-seeing" truth to the fact an apple would fall. Believing gravity to no faith, it is clearing seen by the eye in objects.

There are no witnessed recordings to the creation or evolution. No one recorded what happened... we surmise. Those who take the Bible as truth, of course in faith believe the creation account. Those who take the evidences of evolution take that as truth, of course in faith - that evolution is correct. (although science does not set out to establish truth according to science itself).

Those (like me) who take the Bible as the measure in one's life, do not necessarily dismiss science. I am using at this moment a result of science (computer) - and so I am not opposed to science. What I have studied of science and "how it works" again, I do not dispute. But what most people don't understand is science does not establish truth. "When a scientist says something has been found to be 'true', what is meant isn't any form of absolute truth. Likewise scientists' use of 'reality' and 'belief' don't imply finality or dogmatism. But if we inquire whether a scientist believes in an underlying reality behind our sense impressions, we are compounding two tricky words into a philosophical question for which we have no way to arrive at a testable answer. (http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/philosop/method.htm)" By science's own definition they can't not say I'm incorrect as to creation - for their is no truth (absolute) to science itself. The dependablilty of the lab results being reduplicated lend itself to to evidence of fact, but never absolute truth.

Evolution of change in the lab... ok... if that is what we are calling evolution these days. As to origins of life, however, evolution is not reduplicated in the lab.


"Like every other science, there is scientific debate about some aspects of evolution, but none of these debates appear likely to shake the foundations of this field. There exists no other scientific explanation that can account for all the patterns in nature, only non-scientific explanations that require a miraculous force, like a creator. Such super-natural explanations lie outside of science, which can neither prove nor disprove miracles. Science provides us with a compelling account and explanation of the changing life on Earth. It should also remind us of our good fortune to have come into being and our great responsibility to ensure the continuity of life."
(Richard E. Lenski, Ph.D., Evolution: Fact and Theory by Richard E. Lenski, Ph.D.)
 
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