I doubt I'll see it in the movie theater and I doubt I'll rent it just because I rarely watch movies anymore. If ya'll give it 
, I'll probably make a point to see it.
, I'll probably make a point to see it.
The Passion of Christ
- Thread starter tlatchaw
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according to www.fandango.com The Passion of Christ will be playing at the
Lowes Lexington Park Six on the 25th of February (Ash Wednesday) at 7pm and
10pm. It is the only film listed for that day and again on the 26th.
Penn
Dancing Up A Storm
One thing we might all be prepared for, well those of us who've said we're going to see this movie, is the amount of graphic violence it is going to portray.If the trailers and news commentary are valid, there will be a lot of it, probably right from the start, if memory serves me - Peter cut off the ear of an aide to the party of Pharisees, who came with Judas to arrest Jesus the night after the Last Supper.
That will be only the beginning, I'm sure, with the beatings, placing of the Crown of Thorns on His head, and finally the Crucifixion.
But then, from what I read, that is the main idea that Mel Gibson wants to leave us with:
The terrible suffering this Man endured for us.
The choice He made(remember, in the garden while He prayed, He asked His Father if there was any other way....)
You know, if you're a believer, you have to ask yourself the question: Could any mortal man, or woman - endure the pain and agony He did?
To willingly die for the likes of those of us who believed in Him..........as well as those who did not?
Penn
Dancing Up A Storm
I think I see where you're going with this Cari; however, at the end of hostilities, POWS are usually released, reparated, or allowed to go back to their country of origin, unless they've commited war crimes, I believe.
There was no way Jesus Christ was coming out of that conflict alive.
It was prohesied centuries beforehand, that His end would be resolved in that manner, in that place, and that He would die for our sins.
I think it is in that light, where the two parallels separate from each other.
K
Kain99
Guest
From everything I have seen... This movie is going to rip your guts out wether you believe Christ was the Messiah or not. 
Penn
Dancing Up A Storm
I'm not sure what world you live in ma'am, but I do think POWS have come back home from Germany(WWII), Vietnam, and Iraq from the first Gulf War, and probably a few others I forgotten about.Do you not believe that to be the case?
As I said before, the way things were set in motion in the life of Jesus Christ, there was no other end that could have happened.
Are you saying you cannot see the difference?
OK, no problem; however you might want to exit the closet at your earliest.
Penn
Dancing Up A Storm
Wait a moment, I thought one of your previous sig lines was "Mistress of the Dark"?Secondly, I do not dispute your knowledge of the Bible, as you've shown over the last 2 years we've conversed about it, I understand your knowledge is pretty darn good.
I do question your interpretations of it, but that happens to only about 6 or 7 hundred million people throughout the planet.
Once more into the debate: I catch your drift about POWS: many do not/ did not come home.
However, many in fact did come home. The fact is, there was a chance they could survive.
Jesus Christ, as you well know from your admitted knowledge of the Bible was not going to survive that ordeal on the cross as you and I know it, Period.
justin anemone
AKA BK
Was that REALLY necessary?
How typical...
Hey, Penn. If you'd like to have a rational argument about religion I'd be glad to have one. I could probably use a little enlightenment from someone else's point of view.
I'm not an atheist. I'm a devout Christian, but I at least try to keep an open mind...
How typical...
Hey, Penn. If you'd like to have a rational argument about religion I'd be glad to have one. I could probably use a little enlightenment from someone else's point of view.
I'm not an atheist. I'm a devout Christian, but I at least try to keep an open mind...
Penn
Dancing Up A Storm
Re: Was that REALLY necessary?
What's frustrating is that Cari has an excellent knowledge of the Bible, however we just differ on it's meanings, it's interpretations, where it can be taken literally and other places it cannot.
The jist of it is that she compares POWs not coming home to Christ dying on the cross, as if they're one in the same.
I see her point, but contend that their lines diverse and separate at a point along their stories.
So, it's kind of sad to see a conversation "go down the tubes"
because another adamantly wishes to stay on their high horse, look down at others and resort to calling them names, belittling them.
If it makes her feel any better than me, or anyone else who disagrees with her, go ahead and call me names; it's too sad a person feels they have to resort to that level, but it's not something we've not seen before.
And yes, I'll take the high road lady, I've not called you any names that I can recall, so go ahead and show everyone your true colors.
Everyone who signs on to this forum can see how you react to disagreement; nothing but scorn and rejection, if ideas do not parallel yours.
What else is new?
What's frustrating is that Cari has an excellent knowledge of the Bible, however we just differ on it's meanings, it's interpretations, where it can be taken literally and other places it cannot.The jist of it is that she compares POWs not coming home to Christ dying on the cross, as if they're one in the same.
I see her point, but contend that their lines diverse and separate at a point along their stories.
So, it's kind of sad to see a conversation "go down the tubes"
because another adamantly wishes to stay on their high horse, look down at others and resort to calling them names, belittling them.
If it makes her feel any better than me, or anyone else who disagrees with her, go ahead and call me names; it's too sad a person feels they have to resort to that level, but it's not something we've not seen before.
And yes, I'll take the high road lady, I've not called you any names that I can recall, so go ahead and show everyone your true colors.
Everyone who signs on to this forum can see how you react to disagreement; nothing but scorn and rejection, if ideas do not parallel yours.
What else is new?
justin anemone
AKA BK
Re: Re: Was that REALLY necessary?
Trying VERY hard to see her side of things, perhaps your attempt to poke fun during a serious conversation is what set things off.
I still maintain, however, that the reaction wasn't appropriate to the comment.
I'm reminded, though, of the parable of the woman and the snake.
A woman found an injured snake in the woods. She cared for it, fed it, and nursed it back to health. One day, completely out of the blue, the snake bit her.
When the woman expresssed her dismay in light of all she'd done for the snake, the snake looked up at her and said:
"You knew I was a snake when you picked me up!"
Originally posted by penncam
The jist of it is that she compares POWs not coming home to Christ dying on the cross, as if they're one in the same.
I see her point, but contend that their lines diverse and separate at a point along their stories.
So, it's kind of sad to see a conversation "go down the tubes"
because another adamantly wishes to stay on their high horse, look down at others and resort to calling them names, belittling them.
If it makes her feel any better than me, or anyone else who disagrees with her, go ahead and call me names; it's too sad a person feels they have to resort to that level, but it's not something we've not seen before.
And yes, I'll take the high road lady, I've not called you any names that I can recall, so go ahead and show everyone your true colors.
Everyone who signs on to this forum can see how you react to disagreement; nothing but scorn and rejection, if ideas do not parallel yours.
What else is new?
Trying VERY hard to see her side of things, perhaps your attempt to poke fun during a serious conversation is what set things off.
I still maintain, however, that the reaction wasn't appropriate to the comment.
I'm reminded, though, of the parable of the woman and the snake.
A woman found an injured snake in the woods. She cared for it, fed it, and nursed it back to health. One day, completely out of the blue, the snake bit her.
When the woman expresssed her dismay in light of all she'd done for the snake, the snake looked up at her and said:
"You knew I was a snake when you picked me up!"
Penn
Dancing Up A Storm
Re: Re: Re: Was that REALLY necessary?
Well my friend, I think the first shot was fired when the lady started off with: "I don't know what world you live in, but.....", and it was serious at that point, still.
Now do you think that was a compliment to my mental prowess, or -- was she simply being Cariblue, and trying to show me what level of sophistication she dwells on, and where mine might be?
It's a pattern she shows, not only towards me, but anyone with whom she disagrees with, but refuses to "knuckle under" to.
If the lady thinks I live in a lonely world, one can only imagine what kind of horribly wretched environment she must be dealing with.
Oh, one more thing: All the BMWs in the world and mechanical bull riding machines cannot help her psyche, I'm afraid it's too wounded to be reclaimed.
Let's face facts; I have said a prayer for her, but I can only hope God hears it. She says she's spent the better part of her life searching, obviously she wasn't searching in the right direction.
Total Loss, for shame.
Well my friend, I think the first shot was fired when the lady started off with: "I don't know what world you live in, but.....", and it was serious at that point, still.Now do you think that was a compliment to my mental prowess, or -- was she simply being Cariblue, and trying to show me what level of sophistication she dwells on, and where mine might be?
It's a pattern she shows, not only towards me, but anyone with whom she disagrees with, but refuses to "knuckle under" to.
If the lady thinks I live in a lonely world, one can only imagine what kind of horribly wretched environment she must be dealing with.
Oh, one more thing: All the BMWs in the world and mechanical bull riding machines cannot help her psyche, I'm afraid it's too wounded to be reclaimed.
Let's face facts; I have said a prayer for her, but I can only hope God hears it. She says she's spent the better part of her life searching, obviously she wasn't searching in the right direction.
Total Loss, for shame.
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Tonio
Asperger's Poster Child
Here's another reason that the ADL is concerned about Gibson's movie:
http://www.freep.com/sports/albom/mitch22_20040222.htm
http://www.freep.com/sports/albom/mitch22_20040222.htm
Christy
b*tch rocket
Oh please.
They're grasping at straws. Why should he have to explain his father's bizaare views? He's stated his own very clearly throughout the years, and they don't mirror his father's. I still don't know understand why everyone's got their panties in a knot over this movie. I hardly think it's going to send everyone in a fury against Jews.
It's all just silly IMHO.
cattitude
My Sweetest Boy
Paul Harvey's comments
I thought this was interesting.....
Paul Harvey comments on "The Passion" by Mel Gibson
Paul Harvey's words:
I really did not know what to expect. I was thrilled to have been invited to a private viewing of Mel Gibson's film "The Passion," but I had also read all the cautious articles and spin. I grew up in a Jewish town and owe much of my own faith journey to the influence. I have a life long, deeply held aversion to anything that might even indirectly encourage any form of anti-Semitic thought, language or actions.
I arrived at the private viewing for "The Passion," held in Washington, DC and greeted some familiar faces. The environment was typically Washingtonian, with people greeting you with a smile but seeming to look beyond you, having an agenda beyond the words. The film was very briefly introduced, without fanfare, and then the room darkened. From the gripping opening scene in the Garden of Gethsemane, to the very human and tender portrayal of the earthly ministry of Jesus, through the betrayal, the arrest, the scourging, the way of the cross, the encounter with the thieves, the surrender on the Cross, until the final scene in the empty tomb, this was not simply a movie; it was an encounter, unlike anything I have ever experienced.
In addition to being a masterpiece of filmmaking and an artistic triumph, "The Passion" evoked more deep reflection, sorrow and emotional reaction within me than anything since my wedding, my ordination or the birth of my children. Frankly, I will never be the same. When the film concluded, this "invitation only" gathering of "movers and shakers" in Washington, DC were shaking indeed, but this time from sobbing. I am not sure there was a dry
eye in the place. The crowd that had been glad-handing before the film was now eerily silent. No one could speak because words were woefully inadequate. We had experienced a kind of art that is a rarity in life, the kind that makes heaven touch earth.
One scene in the film has now been forever etched in my mind. A brutalized, wounded Jesus was soon to fall again under the weight of the cross. His mother had made her way along the Via Della Rosa. As she ran to him, she flashed back to a memory of Jesus as a child, falling in the dirt road outside of their home. Just as she reached to protect him from the fall, she was now reaching to touch his wounded adult face. Jesus looked at her
with intensely probing and passionately loving eyes (and at all of us through the screen) and said "Behold I make all things new." These are words taken from the last Book of the New Testament, the Book of Revelation.
Suddenly, the purpose of the pain was so clear and the wounds, that earlier in the film had been so difficult to see in His face, His back, indeed all over His body, became intensely beautiful. They had been borne voluntarily for love.
At the end of the film, after we had all had a chance to recover, a
question and answer period ensued. The unanimous praise for the film, from a rather diverse crowd, was as astounding as the compliments were effusive.
The questions included the one question that seems to follow this film, even though it has not yet even been released. "Why is this film considered by some to be 'anti-Semitic?" Frankly, having now experienced (you do not "view" this film) "the Passion" it is a question that is impossible to answer. A law professor whom I admire sat in front of me. He raised his hand and responded, "After watching this film, I do not understand how
anyone can insinuate that it even remotely presents that the Jews killed Jesus. It doesn't." He continued, "It made me realize that my sins killed Jesus." I agree. There is not a scintilla of anti-Semitism to be found anywhere in this powerful film. If there were, I would be among the first to decry it.
It faithfully tells the Gospel story in a dramatically beautiful, sensitive and profoundly engaging way. Those who are alleging otherwise have either not seen the film or have another agenda behind their protestations.
This is not a "Christian" film, in the sense that it will appeal only to those who identify themselves as followers of Jesus Christ. It is a deeply human, beautiful story that will deeply touch all men and women. It is a profound work of art. Yes, its producer is a Catholic Christian and thankfully has remained faithful to the Gospel text; if that is no longer acceptable behavior then we are all in trouble. History demands that we remain faithful to the story and Christians have a right to tell it. After all, we believe that it is the greatest story ever told and that its message is for all men and women. The greatest right is the right to hear the truth.
We would all be well advised to remember that the Gospel narratives to which "The Passion" is so faithful were written by Jewish men who followed a Jewish Rabbi whose life and teaching have forever changed the history of the world. The problem is not the message but those who have distorted it and used it for hate rather than love. The solution is not to censor the message, but rather to promote the kind of gift of love that is Mel Gibson's filmmaking masterpiece, "The Passion." It should be seen by as
many people as possible. I intend to do everything I can to make sure that is the case. I am passionate about "The Passion."
I thought this was interesting.....
Paul Harvey comments on "The Passion" by Mel Gibson
Paul Harvey's words:
I really did not know what to expect. I was thrilled to have been invited to a private viewing of Mel Gibson's film "The Passion," but I had also read all the cautious articles and spin. I grew up in a Jewish town and owe much of my own faith journey to the influence. I have a life long, deeply held aversion to anything that might even indirectly encourage any form of anti-Semitic thought, language or actions.
I arrived at the private viewing for "The Passion," held in Washington, DC and greeted some familiar faces. The environment was typically Washingtonian, with people greeting you with a smile but seeming to look beyond you, having an agenda beyond the words. The film was very briefly introduced, without fanfare, and then the room darkened. From the gripping opening scene in the Garden of Gethsemane, to the very human and tender portrayal of the earthly ministry of Jesus, through the betrayal, the arrest, the scourging, the way of the cross, the encounter with the thieves, the surrender on the Cross, until the final scene in the empty tomb, this was not simply a movie; it was an encounter, unlike anything I have ever experienced.
In addition to being a masterpiece of filmmaking and an artistic triumph, "The Passion" evoked more deep reflection, sorrow and emotional reaction within me than anything since my wedding, my ordination or the birth of my children. Frankly, I will never be the same. When the film concluded, this "invitation only" gathering of "movers and shakers" in Washington, DC were shaking indeed, but this time from sobbing. I am not sure there was a dry
eye in the place. The crowd that had been glad-handing before the film was now eerily silent. No one could speak because words were woefully inadequate. We had experienced a kind of art that is a rarity in life, the kind that makes heaven touch earth.
One scene in the film has now been forever etched in my mind. A brutalized, wounded Jesus was soon to fall again under the weight of the cross. His mother had made her way along the Via Della Rosa. As she ran to him, she flashed back to a memory of Jesus as a child, falling in the dirt road outside of their home. Just as she reached to protect him from the fall, she was now reaching to touch his wounded adult face. Jesus looked at her
with intensely probing and passionately loving eyes (and at all of us through the screen) and said "Behold I make all things new." These are words taken from the last Book of the New Testament, the Book of Revelation.
Suddenly, the purpose of the pain was so clear and the wounds, that earlier in the film had been so difficult to see in His face, His back, indeed all over His body, became intensely beautiful. They had been borne voluntarily for love.
At the end of the film, after we had all had a chance to recover, a
question and answer period ensued. The unanimous praise for the film, from a rather diverse crowd, was as astounding as the compliments were effusive.
The questions included the one question that seems to follow this film, even though it has not yet even been released. "Why is this film considered by some to be 'anti-Semitic?" Frankly, having now experienced (you do not "view" this film) "the Passion" it is a question that is impossible to answer. A law professor whom I admire sat in front of me. He raised his hand and responded, "After watching this film, I do not understand how
anyone can insinuate that it even remotely presents that the Jews killed Jesus. It doesn't." He continued, "It made me realize that my sins killed Jesus." I agree. There is not a scintilla of anti-Semitism to be found anywhere in this powerful film. If there were, I would be among the first to decry it.
It faithfully tells the Gospel story in a dramatically beautiful, sensitive and profoundly engaging way. Those who are alleging otherwise have either not seen the film or have another agenda behind their protestations.
This is not a "Christian" film, in the sense that it will appeal only to those who identify themselves as followers of Jesus Christ. It is a deeply human, beautiful story that will deeply touch all men and women. It is a profound work of art. Yes, its producer is a Catholic Christian and thankfully has remained faithful to the Gospel text; if that is no longer acceptable behavior then we are all in trouble. History demands that we remain faithful to the story and Christians have a right to tell it. After all, we believe that it is the greatest story ever told and that its message is for all men and women. The greatest right is the right to hear the truth.
We would all be well advised to remember that the Gospel narratives to which "The Passion" is so faithful were written by Jewish men who followed a Jewish Rabbi whose life and teaching have forever changed the history of the world. The problem is not the message but those who have distorted it and used it for hate rather than love. The solution is not to censor the message, but rather to promote the kind of gift of love that is Mel Gibson's filmmaking masterpiece, "The Passion." It should be seen by as
many people as possible. I intend to do everything I can to make sure that is the case. I am passionate about "The Passion."
Tonio
Asperger's Poster Child
Those are good questions. My own parents have ugly prejudices, and I disavowed them when I grew up, as did my brother and my sister. When my brother began dating his future wife, a black girl, my parents wouldn't let her in the house. So when they began living together, he boycotted all family events for four years until my parents relented. Even though I've had a lot of problems lately with my brother, I still respect that he stood up for his principles.
I'm very disappointed in the ADL for not waiting to see the movie. While they have a point about Gibson's father, it's ludicrous to suggest that one movie would turn the entire Christian community against the Jews.
Getting this through third hand and somewhat fuzzy memory, here, but didn't I see where Mel Gibson was being interviewed about his father's statements? Didn't he already say "I'm not my father."?
I watched "The Making of The Passion of The Christ" last night, and saw alot of sympathy for Jewish people displayed there. From the tender portrayal of Christ with Mary, and Christ with Mary magdalene, to the careful attention of the disciples as they listened to their Rabbi (Christ).
Sometimes I just wonder if people are looking for fight. I believe I stated earlier that some nut-job out there may take this presentation and twist it through some Manson-esque logic for evil uses. Same thing could happen with Star Wars or Gone With the Wind or just about anything else out there.
Go to the film. Make up your own mind before you slam it or praise it overmuch.
I watched "The Making of The Passion of The Christ" last night, and saw alot of sympathy for Jewish people displayed there. From the tender portrayal of Christ with Mary, and Christ with Mary magdalene, to the careful attention of the disciples as they listened to their Rabbi (Christ).
Sometimes I just wonder if people are looking for fight. I believe I stated earlier that some nut-job out there may take this presentation and twist it through some Manson-esque logic for evil uses. Same thing could happen with Star Wars or Gone With the Wind or just about anything else out there.
Go to the film. Make up your own mind before you slam it or praise it overmuch.
Tonio
Asperger's Poster Child
I posted the links I did because I wanted to find out exactly why groups like the ADL are so upset. While I still believe there is a lot of buried anti-Semitism among fundamentalist Christians, only someone with a massive chip on their shoulder would argue that all Christians hate Jews. Tim LaHaye and his pathetic scribblings don't represent Christianity.