The Rapture was taught by early Church Fathers

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Chuckt

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That's how I feel about most of the discussions with him as well.

He backs his decisions with verses he finds so he thinks he's the only one that could be right.

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I get it. We're supposed to compromise on truth or we're supposed to vote on truth.
If you can't defend your own truth with the Bible then it is indefensible.

Socrates is attributed to the quote that ‘unexamined life is not worth living’ but if you can't defend a belief then you haven't examined it.
 

seekeroftruth

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I get it. We're supposed to compromise on truth or we're supposed to vote on truth.
If you can't defend your own truth with the Bible then it is indefensible.

Socrates is attributed to the quote that ‘unexamined life is not worth living’ but if you can't defend a belief then you haven't examined it.

Good quote.... but if you knew me you would be assured that I have always examined life.

I don't want anyone to compromise the Word. That would be stupid for a Christian to do. I would counsel you, however, that the Pharisees thought they were right too!

Jesus used love and compassion to draw people to Him.

Clobbering people with "superior" intellect and vast libraries is not always the best way to go.

It's the "my way or the highway" attitude that comes through your writings that bothers me.

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littlelady

God bless the USA
Good quote.... but if you knew me you would be assured that I have always examined life.

I don't want anyone to compromise the Word. That would be stupid for a Christian to do. I would counsel you, however, that the Pharisees thought they were right too!

Jesus used love and compassion to draw people to Him.

Clobbering people with "superior" intellect and vast libraries is not always the best way to go.

:coffee:

Clobbering is one of the best words I have seen used on this forum! :lol: Many members use that stance when they post, and it doesn't get them very far; as in members agreeing with them! :lol:
 

b23hqb

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Good quote.... but if you knew me you would be assured that I have always examined life.

I don't want anyone to compromise the Word. That would be stupid for a Christian to do. I would counsel you, however, that the Pharisees thought they were right too!

Jesus used love and compassion to draw people to Him.

Clobbering people with "superior" intellect and vast libraries is not always the best way to go.

It's the "my way or the highway" attitude that comes through your writings that bothers me.

:coffee:

"Clobbering." Nice. I don't see the "his way or the highway" from chuckie - it's the Bible-way or the highway. That's my line of belief - always has been. If one cannot refute what is being presented with anything other than "quit being judgmental" or the like, it would be beneficial for that person to perhaps look into the "vast libraries" that chuckie offers as evidence to either confirm or attempt to refute what he puts out.

Please, try to not let your feelings get into the way of biblical teachings. Your feelings will get smashed every time.
 

Bird Dog

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"Clobbering." Nice. I don't see the "his way or the highway" from chuckie - it's the Bible-way or the highway. That's my line of belief - always has been. If one cannot refute what is being presented with anything other than "quit being judgmental" or the like, it would be beneficial for that person to perhaps look into the "vast libraries" that chuckie offers as evidence to either confirm or attempt to refute what he puts out.

Please, try to not let your feelings get into the way of biblical teachings. Your feelings will get smashed every time.

Please show in the Bible you and Chuckie were pointed out to be our saviors.......specifically...

We had Starmann and IS on here for a couple of years, didn't see them in the Bible either.......

Matter of fact, never read anything in the Bible that stated in 1500 years a new belief will arise and we should all convert......and pick one of the 30,000 new "Christian" interpretations.

Names and years would convert me in second
 
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Chuckt

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Please show in the Bible you and Chuckie were pointed out to be our saviors.......specifically...

We had Starmann and IS on here for a couple of years, didn't see them in the Bible either.......

Matter of fact, never read anything in the Bible that stated in 1500 years a new belief will arise and we should all convert......and pick one of the 30,000 new "Christian" interpretations.

Names and years would convert me in second

I'm not your savior.
Catholicism is just another interpretation.
The Catholic church kept people from reading the Bible and doesn't stand by the Bible today.
 

Amused_despair

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I'm not your savior.
Catholicism is just another interpretation.
The Catholic church kept people from reading the Bible and doesn't stand by the Bible today.

If you have accumulated wealth then you are ignoring the words of Jesus and do not stand by the Bible either. Or have you managed to fit many camels through the eyes of needles?
 

b23hqb

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Please show in the Bible you and Chuckie were pointed out to be our saviors.......specifically...

We had Starmann and IS on here for a couple of years, didn't see them in the Bible either.......

Matter of fact, never read anything in the Bible that stated in 1500 years a new belief will arise and we should all convert......and pick one of the 30,000 new "Christian" interpretations.

Names and years would convert me in second

Ridiculous, BD. But normal from you. Don't let reading the Bible stand in your way of understanding salvation. But you will.
 
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Chuckt

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Chuckt

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More difficult than passing a camel through the eye of a needle. I am sure the God you have little faith in will be OK with you ignoring his statements.

There are verses that show how easy it is to be saved in the Bible but a rich man is exposed to people of the world and can become carnal. I work with heathens and they want me to cheat, they want me to lie, they want me to do unethical things. There is a lot of pressure on me. The problem is not that salvation is not available. The problem is that a selfish person won't let go of things and trust God.

A Christian has to make decisions in business. Am I going to trust God and say what I want to say or do I have to shut up about God because someone won't do business with me?

What is wealth? In the old days, you had to go get a container and go down to the river and today you have pipes. In the old days, you had to use an outhouse and today we have toilets. In the old days, you had to cut wood or carry coal but today we have gas lines hooked up and electricity hooked up. We don't have to depend on God because all of this is delivered to us.

Amused, I think you can't make the interpretation of those verses stick in a debate with someone who knows the Bible. I could even use the Bible dishonestly against you because you don't know any better but I can also use the Bible honestly against your interpretation.
 
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Chuckt

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Maybe you should read the parallel account in Luke.

Luke 18:26 Those who heard it said, “Then who can be saved?” 27 But he said, d“What is impossible with man is possible with God.

Luke answers your objection and unrighteous interpretation by saying, "What is impossible with man is possible with God."

https://biblia.com/books/esv/Lk18.18

You might have understood the same verse in Matthew 19:26 if you actually read the passage. If it is possible with God then a rich man can go to heaven because the link I gave you in the above post shows that riches were a blessing from God and there were people like Job who were rich who believed in God. Your interpretation is void of context.
 
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Chuckt

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Maybe you should read the parallel account in Luke.

Luke 18:26 Those who heard it said, “Then who can be saved?” 27 But he said, d“What is impossible with man is possible with God.

Luke answers your objection and unrighteous interpretation by saying, "What is impossible with man is possible with God."

https://biblia.com/books/esv/Lk18.18

"What is impossible with man" implies that a rich man going to heaven is impossible so the Catholic story of a gate named the needle in Jerusalem and the passenger having to take all of his belongings off to get the camel down on its knees is impossible with man. The idea of that story is works and according to this verse, it is impossible with man. But possibility with God means that it isn't your works, merit or effort because it is possible with God. In retrospect, it teaches the Catholic doctrine is wrong and that justification by grace alone is salvation.
 

Amused_despair

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You might have understood the same verse in Matthew 19:26 if you actually read the passage. If it is possible with God then a rich man can go to heaven because the link I gave you in the above post shows that riches were a blessing from God and there were people like Job who were rich who believed in God. Your interpretation is void of context.

Odd you would use Job as an example. So do you think the story of Job is true and that God allowed an innocent man to be tortured and innocent people to be killed just for a bet?
 

Amused_despair

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"What is impossible with man" implies that a rich man going to heaven is impossible so the Catholic story of a gate named the needle in Jerusalem and the passenger having to take all of his belongings off to get the camel down on its knees is impossible with man. The idea of that story is works and according to this verse, it is impossible with man. But possibility with God means that it isn't your works, merit or effort because it is possible with God. In retrospect, it teaches the Catholic doctrine is wrong and that justification by grace alone is salvation.

That right there in a nutshell is why you are wrong. "... it teaches the Catholic doctrine is wrong..." No. It teaches YOU that Catholic doctrine is wrong. A thousand people look at at a work of art and get 1000 different meanings. The only one who knows if they are right or wrong is the artist. You are not the artist. You have no link with God. Water may taste clear and refreshing to you but metallic and dull to me. Everyone gets a different meaning from things.

But do admit you twist the words of Jesus around to justify you not following him. Odd you stopped at Luke 18 27, but didn't continue on to 28 and 29.
 
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Chuckt

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That right there in a nutshell is why you are wrong. "... it teaches the Catholic doctrine is wrong..." No. It teaches YOU that Catholic doctrine is wrong. A thousand people look at at a work of art and get 1000 different meanings. The only one who knows if they are right or wrong is the artist. You are not the artist. You have no link with God. Water may taste clear and refreshing to you but metallic and dull to me. Everyone gets a different meaning from things.

But do admit you twist the words of Jesus around to justify you not following him. Odd you stopped at Luke 18 27, but didn't continue on to 28 and 29.

John 5:24 ¶ Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

It doesn't say "might have" or "could have" but "***hath***" everlasting life. I interpret the Bible by the easy and clear to understand verses. You are confused because you study from the harder to understand verses. I get the explicit teaching and you can't find the implicit teaching.
 

Amused_despair

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So you are saying that every Catholic who hears the words of Jesus and believes in God will have everlasting life? So why do you keep castigating them?
 

Amused_despair

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Odd you would use Job as an example. So do you think the story of Job is true and that God allowed an innocent man to be tortured and innocent people to be killed just for a bet?

So, tell me Chuckt, what is your answer to this question since you used Job to support your argument that the rich can pass through the gates of Heaven.
 
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