There is only one God

[2ndAmendment]

I hope that this doesn't offend anyone but I tend to write people off when they claim that they hear voices.

I thought you were the one who posted recently alluding to God being able to do anything. I think speaking to someone would be included.

 

[brendar buhl]

I thought you were the one who posted recently alluding to God being able to do anything. I think speaking to someone would be included.

Yes, God can do anything. In fact our ideas about God are usually limited by us not by God. I believe that God can redeem people outside of our culture who have never heard the Gospel. I don't know if he does or how he would but I believe he can.

God can talk to people in an audible voice but it is something that is outside of my experience so I tend to take it with a grain of salt. I'm not saying it doesn't happen or that it didn't happen to starman3000m. I'm very open to God talking to me in an audible voice, it just hasn't happened yet. Sure would make things easier though.

 

[PsyOps]

Yes, God can do anything. In fact our ideas about God are usually limited by us not by God. I believe that God can redeem people outside of our culture who have never heard the Gospel. I don't know if he does or how he would but I believe he can.

God can talk to people in an audible voice but it is something that is outside of my experience so I tend to take it with a grain of salt. I'm not saying it doesn't happen or that it didn't happen to starman3000m. I'm very open to God talking to me in an audible voice, it just hasn't happened yet. Sure would make things easier though.

One of our biggest weaknesses in faith is having some physical expectation of God. I have no doubt that God has talked to some folks. I'm not one of them. In absense of that I am thankful my faith is such that I remain a believer.

 

[2ndAmendment]

...t. Sure would make things easier though.

Or not.

 

[Starman3000m]

2nd Amendment's Response to brendar buhl: Post #41

I thought you were the one who posted recently alluding to God being able to do anything. I think speaking to someone would be included.

Thank you 2ndAmendment. I recall another thread where you had mentioned that the things of God are "spiritually discerned." ( from 1Cor:2:14 )
As mentioned in my testimony, my wife did not believe in God and, although I did, I had no true spiritual relationship with God that can really only be established through Jesus. Remember, to me Jesus was just “second in command” as far as I was concerned and I didn’t have the concept of needing Jesus as my Mediator. (1 Timothy 2:5)

Yet God was faithful and saw that this floundering lost soul sure needed some immediate help because I had just made up my mind to divorce my wife thinking that it was what God wanted me to do. I Praise God that the words I audibly heard proclaiming Jesus to be The Son of God were what brought my wife, Diane, and me to receive Christ as our Lord and Saviour. The following verse helps explain what happened in our lives:

But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me: (John 15:26)

God can talk to people in an audible voice but it is something that is outside of my experience so I tend to take it with a grain of salt. I'm not saying it doesn't happen or that it didn't happen to starman3000m. I'm very open to God talking to me in an audible voice, it just hasn't happened yet. Sure would make things easier though.

Hi brendar,

People come to have Faith in God’s Plan of Salvation through various personal experiences.

I’m sure that after reading my testimony you would agree that in our case God knew that my wife and I really needed a “talking to” and that is what happened.

God knew that I mistook Diane’s reaction as being a “sign” that He wanted me to go ahead and divorce her. God also knew that since Diane did not believe in Him He had to make His existence apparent to her. I never would have expected it to happen but the Words I audibly heard, “Ask Diane if she believes Jesus was The Son of God,” were crystal clear and all I did was what was asked of me to do. I went back to the room where my wife was and said, “Diane, do you believe Jesus was the Son of God?” That is how God saved our marriage and our souls through bringing us to place our faith in His Only Begotten Son.

This year Diane and I celebrated 34 years of marriage; the last 31 years as born-again believers in Christ through God’s Divine Intervention. Praise God.

One of our biggest weaknesses in faith is having some physical expectation of God. I have no doubt that God has talked to some folks. I'm not one of them. In absense of that I am thankful my faith is such that I remain a believer.

Agreed, PsyOps, and your personal faith in Christ is truly blessed.
As I mentioned to brendar, I never expected the experience of a Divine Intervention to happen as it did. But in my case I was a “doubting Thomas” who doubted Jesus’ capacity as The Mediator in order to have a relationship with God the Father. And in my wife’s case, Diane doubted God’s existence.

Reference John 20:
29: Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
30: And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book:
31: But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

 

[brendar buhl]

...People come to have Faith in God’s Plan of Salvation through various personal experiences.

I’m sure that after reading my testimony you would agree that in our case God knew that my wife and I really needed a “talking to” and that is what happened...

Wow, God must have really wanted you and your wife to be saved.

 

[PsyOps]

Wow, God must have really wanted you and your wife to be saved.

He wants us all to be saved.

uh oh........................... here comes JPC....................

 

[PsyOps]

Heres a question, based on that response (lol no ulterior motive) but does God also want to save Satan/Lucifer/Scratch/Bezelbob etc.? (or should that be another thread?)

The reality is, do they want to be saved? I would say that God wants them to be saved, but knows differently.

The answer is here:

The scribes who had come from Jerusalem said, "He is possessed by Beelzebul," and "By the prince of demons he drives out demons." Summoning them, he began to speak to them in parables, "How can Satan drive out Satan? If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. And if a house is divided against itself, that house will not be able to stand. And if Satan has risen up against himself and is divided, he cannot stand; that is the end of him. But no one can enter a strong man's house to plunder his property unless he first ties up the strong man. Then he can plunder his house. Amen, I say to you, all sins and all blasphemies that people utter will be forgiven them. But whoever blasphemes against the holy Spirit will never have forgiveness, but is guilty of an everlasting sin."... Mark 3:22-29

My default answer for these things is always going to be it is ultimately up to God who is saved and who is not. I can only answer for my own soul.

 

[Starman3000m]

Heres a question, based on that response (lol no ulterior motive) but does God also want to save Satan/Lucifer/Scratch/Bezelbob etc.? (or should that be another thread?)

Actually, that is a very good question and, yes, there is an answer.

The fact is that, according to the Holy Bible, Satan (Lucifer) was once one of the highest in rank of God's angels- the most beautiful in stature and status. However, this order of angels, unlike the cherubim, serafin, etc. had Free Will, unlike the perfect order of angels that worship the Holy and Righteous Creator God.

Lucifer's free will developed into "Pride" which led him to believe that he could be as good or better than God. This type of pride is evident in our human nature when one believes they are better and more capable of their boss in doing the job.

The theological explanation is that Lucifer was charismatic and convincing enough to lead one-third of the angelic host in heaven to follow him in a "mutiny" plan and in an attempt to take over God's High Position.

However, since Lucifer was still a "created" being, he really had no power or authority over God The Creator, even though Lucifer thought he could outdo God and replace the leadership of God.

As a result, Lucifer and the angels who fell for his "leadership" were cast out of heaven and are spiritually awaiting Judgment day. Meanwhile, we, like the angels retain Free Will to decide on whether to believe God or to reject His Authority over our lives.

More could be said, but the answer is that Satan had already been "saved" and given a high position in heaven to begin with; it's just that he was not satisfied with a lesser position and "wanted to be like the Most High."

To this day, Satan attempts to draw people away from the Leadership and Lordship of God's Plan of Salvation that is freely offered to those who trust in the Blood Atonement of Jesus Christ (Y'shua HaMashiach).

Each person has the free will to choose whether to believe that Jesus was the Son of God and Sacrificial Lamb of God. In other words, this is something that Jews and Muslims can "almost understand" but just can't connect with and that is that "God Did For Mankind What Abraham Was Going To Do For God."

Free Salvation through the Atoning Blood of Christ is something that Satan does not want people to receive and he uses any and all deceptive methods including religions in order to keep control over mankind.

Conclusion" This world is still a battleground of Good versus Evil and we must choose whom we will follow.

 

[2ndAmendment]

The reality is, do they want to be saved? I would say that God wants them to be saved, but knows differently.

The answer is here:

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My default answer for these things is always going to be it is ultimately up to God who is saved and who is not. I can only answer for my own soul.

Satan and the angels that rebelled against God did so with full knowledge of God and His omnipotence. Angels, and satan was one, do not need faith, because they live in the presence of God. Only humans need faith for we do not presently live in the spiritual state and so do not generally see God. Moses was an exception, but he was only allowed to see God from behind. Humans need salvation and receive grace. Angels are not provided grace.

 

[PsyOps]

Satan and the angels that rebelled against God did so with full knowledge of God and His omnipotence. Angels, and satan was one, do not need faith, because they live in the presence of God. Only humans need faith for we do not presently live in the spiritual state and so do not generally see God. Moses was an exception, but he was only allowed to see God from behind. Humans need salvation and receive grace. Angels are not provided grace.

I'm not really in a position to agree or disagree with this. I believe you would have to have a knowledge of God's will, and I don't, except to say that man and angels have souls and may or may not receive eternal life. We know this because Satan and his minions will be destroyed and angels in heaven will not.

 

[julz20684]

and his name is Pete.

 

[Pete]

and his name is Pete.

You are trying to get me struck by lightning aren't you?

 

[Starman3000m]

Wow, God must have really wanted you and your wife to be saved.

He wants us all to be saved.

Hi brendar,

I agree with PsyOps and it is confirmed in the Holy Bible where it mentions how Our Creator God is Extra Patient and wants to give mankind every chance possible to accept His Plan of Salvation. That is why my wife realizes the miracle of how God personally reached out to her even though she had doubts about His existence. Remember that Diane became spritually and intellectually aware that she was being presented a choice of whether to accept or reject the message of God's existence and whether Jesus was The Son of God. And my awareness was having to acknowledge the Divine Lordship of Jesus if I wanted to get my life straightened out with God.

While God's Offer to accept His Plan of Salvation is made to everyone, it is still up to each individual to decide whether one really wants to seek and serve God in the first place and if he/she would rather try to earn their Salvation through "denominational tenets" based on their own “good deeds” and without Christ as Saviour and Mediator.

Here are a few basic points that I am sure you are already aware of:

The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. (2 Peter 3:9)

For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; (1 Timothy 2:5)

For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:Not of works, lest any man should boast. (Ephesians 2:8-9)

 

[brendar buhl]

Hi brendar,

I agree with PsyOps and it is confirmed in the Holy Bible where it mentions how Our Creator God is Extra Patient and wants to give mankind every chance possible to accept His Plan of Salvation...

But, you must agree that there is something special about you. I mean, God spoke to you while to the rest of us he remains silent. That sort of thing should not be understated. Of course you were already saved and God was telling you to ask your wife the question, so I guess God thinks your wife is pretty special. Well, in my book your both special. Although, I do wonder why God didn't just talk to your wife, you know, cut out the middle man (namely, you).

One more question, what did he sound like? I've always thought that God would sound like James Earl Jones.

 

[PsyOps]

But, you must agree that there is something special about you. I mean, God spoke to you while to the rest of us he remains silent. That sort of thing should not be understated. Of course you were already saved and God was telling you to ask your wife the question, so I guess God thinks your wife is pretty special. Well, in my book your both special. Although, I do wonder why God didn't just talk to your wife, you know, cut out the middle man (namely, you).

Perhaps for the same reason God talked to Mary and not Joseph to tell him the truth of her conception. Does God have to explain everything he does? Shouldn't it be the other way around?

 

[ItalianScallion]

Sounds almost identical to what they say about any religion other than Islam...
.. just before they strap the explosives to their chests.

The difference is the proof that the Bible IS from the true & only God which is what this post is about. All other "religions" can be proven wrong but most people won't admit it because it sounds "intolerant". The Bible has more manuscript (historical written) evidence, archaeological (physical) evidence, prophetic (fortelling future events) evidence and it beats the laws of statistical probablilty (the odds) than any other book and is still the best selling book of all time. What more proof does one need?

 

[heavenly was]

That is hardly a difficult task here.

ZING!!

 

[Starman3000m]

But, you must agree that there is something special about you. I mean, God spoke to you while to the rest of us he remains silent. That sort of thing should not be understated.

Hi brendar,

Thanks, you are too kind but I am no more special than anyone else. God sees us all the same with His Divine Love and responds with His help when we are encountering troubles in our life and call upon Him for help. As mentioned earlier, our experiences are not all the same but the end result is and that is acknowledging and believing the New Testament account that Jesus was the Son of God and accepting Him as our personal Lord and Saviour of our lives. Although you may have never "heard" God's voice, I am sure you can recall some time(s) in your life that you can only credit to Divine Intervention that helped you during a certain circumstance. If it helped to strengthen your faith in God and bring you closer to trusting Him completely - it was no coincidence.

Of course you were already saved and God was telling you to ask your wife the question, so I guess God thinks your wife is pretty special. Well, in my book your both special. Although, I do wonder why God didn't just talk to your wife, you know, cut out the middle man (namely, you).

Again, you are too kind brendar and thank you for your nice comments. Actually, the truth is that I would really not have considered myself as being "saved" prior to my experience. Remember, I believed I could bypass Jesus and go straight to God. Many people in all sorts of religions believe in God just as I did at the time but the key to Salvation is making a personal confession of faith in Christ as being the Only Begotten Son of God and trusting Him as Lord and Saviour. Since I had not yet personally placed my faith in Jesus I would say that my salvation was not yet secure. God's Voice brought that reality home to me so that I could comprehend that Jesus was The Son of God and it was imperative that I acknowledge Him and not regard Jesus as just "second in command". Jesus is the key as John 14:6 states that we cannot come to the Father without Him. This all happened in an instant and when I repeated the words to Diane she later mentioned that she knew it was God revealing Truth to her because had I said those words any other time they would not have had the effect on her as when she heard them through God's Intervention.

One more question, what did he sound like? I've always thought that God would sound like James Earl Jones.

lol - Sorry to demote the quality of James Earl Jones' voice but the audible words I heard were perfectly distinctive - beautiful and crystal clear - giving me an authoritative directive that I gave no second thought to. After the Words were spoken to me I immediately did an about-face and went back to where my wife had just expressed her annoyance about my wanting to talk with her about God and the book I had received. That's when I repeated the words that made her suddenly become aware of God's existence which she had been willfully denying through her intellectual thinking.

To this day, we marvel at our experience and Praise God for saving our marriage and bringing us to the Saving Grace He provides through His Son, Jesus Christ - Y'shua HaMashiach.

 

[brendar buhl]

...the audible words I heard were perfectly distinctive - beautiful and crystal clear - giving me an authoritative directive that I gave no second thought to. After the Words were spoken to me I immediately did an about-face and went back to where my wife had just expressed her annoyance about my wanting to talk with her about God and the book I had received. That's when I repeated the words that made her suddenly become aware of God's existence which she had been willfully denying through her intellectual thinking.

To this day, we marvel at our experience and Praise God for saving our marriage and bringing us to the Saving Grace He provides through His Son, Jesus Christ - Y'shua HaMashiach.

Right, but what did it sound like? Was it a deep voice? Was it a raspy voice? Did it sound like a man's voice or a woman's voice? Was there any echo effect? I've never heard a voice that I couldn't describe.