There is only one God

[Starman3000m]

Perhaps for the same reason God talked to Mary and not Joseph to tell him the truth of her conception. Does God have to explain everything he does? Shouldn't it be the other way around?

Good Morning PsyOps,

Although Joseph may have not directly heard God's Voice, per se, you may recall that he did have an Intervention of God's Message.
Remember that when Joseph learned that Mary was expecting - and knew it wasn't his child since the two had not been "together", Joseph was going to have Mary go out of public site for a while.

Well, actually, the following verses explain it better than what I can:

from Matthew, Chapter 1:
19: Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a publick example, was minded to put her away privily.
20: But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.
21: And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.
22: Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,
23: Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
24: Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife:
25: And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.

And the rest is HIStory.

 

[Starman3000m]

Right, but what did it sound like? Was it a deep voice? Was it a raspy voice? Did it sound like a man's voice or a woman's voice? Was there any echo effect? I've never heard a voice that I couldn't describe.

Good Morning brendar,

The Words were those of a male voice; not at all baritone deep like James Earl Jones, nor raspy like George Burns.

This was a voice that was quite distinct and crystal clear like no other I have ever heard. No reverb or "echo" effect but it did feel like all time stood still and that I was in a confined vacuum of time with no sense of any other sound at all other than just the Words that were being spoken.

On a vocal volume scale: Not loud, nor soft but crystal clear and authoritative.

I recall the Biblical verses of how Jesus describes the following:

Jn:10:16: And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

Jn:10:27: My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

Rv:3:20: Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

Apart from what I wrote, I cannot completely describe the Voice of God to you. As scripture indicates, when we hear it, we will know without a doubt that it is God and no one else. I believe all of God's Children will hear His Voice on the last day and know without a doubt It Is God.

If I still was not able to answer you completely, please feel free to ask more questions.

 

[2ndAmendment]

brendar buhl,
Remember the conversion of Saul to Paul in the Bible? He heard the voice of Jesus. Those that were with him thought it was thunder. This gets back to God is God; He can do what ever He does however He does it.

I have had several experiences. One happened the night I received the empowerment of the Holy Spirit through a couple of gifts. When I drove home there was very white dove sitting in the middle of my yard. As I drove up, it took flight and flew straight at my van. I watched as it came straight at me. I expected a thud on the van but there was nothing. I got out to look. No white dove. Matter of fact I had never before or ever since seen a bright white dove in the area.

 

[brendar buhl]

Spooky!

 

[Starman3000m]

Spooky!

It has been widely taught to try to "reason" out our faith and attempt to comprehend the things of God with our human intellect.

What may seem to be "supernatural" to someone is really only Natural to God's way of communicating with mankind.

from Romans Chapter 8:

11: But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12: Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13: For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14: For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15: For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16: The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

 

[brendar buhl]

I recall the Biblical verses of how Jesus describes the following:

Jn:10:16: And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

Jn:10:27: My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

Rv:3:20: Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

Apart from what I wrote, I cannot completely describe the Voice of God to you. As scripture indicates, when we hear it, we will know without a doubt that it is God and no one else. I believe all of God's Children will hear His Voice on the last day and know without a doubt It Is God.

If I still was not able to answer you completely, please feel free to ask more questions.

Ask more questions I shall.

You used an interesting array of verses above. The first verse compares people to sheep and says that there is one God and one group of people (or sheep) that follow that God. The second verse says that only the people (sheep) who know God hear his voice and do what he says. This is all good because it parallels nicely with how sheep (and for the most part, people) usually act. The third verse, in a stunning change of subject talks about God knocking at a door. Now you've talked at length about how God spoke to you and how you heard his voice and you have used scripture to support the idea that God has a voice and he speaks to his people/sheep.

Here is my question: Has God knocked on your door? I mean really knocked on you door. I'm not talking about some Mormon or Jo-Ho, I'm talking about God, the creator of the universe, the great "I AM", Lord of all that is seen and unseen. Has HE knocked on your door?

 

[Starman3000m]

Ask more questions I shall.

You used an interesting array of verses above. The first verse compares people to sheep and says that there is one God and one group of people (or sheep) that follow that God. The second verse says that only the people (sheep) who know God hear his voice and do what he says. This is all good because it parallels nicely with how sheep (and for the most part, people) usually act. The third verse, in a stunning change of subject talks about God knocking at a door. Now you've talked at length about how God spoke to you and how you heard his voice and you have used scripture to support the idea that God has a voice and he speaks to his people/sheep.

Here is my question: Has God knocked on your door? I mean really knocked on you door. I'm not talking about some Mormon or Jo-Ho, I'm talking about God, the creator of the universe, the great "I AM", Lord of all that is seen and unseen. Has HE knocked on your door?

Hi brendar,

Good question and, yes, there is an answer:

Remember that many times scripture is interpreted in a figurative sense - not a literal and physical sense of the term.

For example in the Holy Bible we are told:

"Cast thy bread upon the waters": for thou shalt find it after many days. (Ecclesiastes 11:1)

Now, I don't think this is to be taken in a literal sense due to the fact that the bread would disintegrate and wash away, as well as perhaps be food for some fish swimming nearby.

When the Bible verse speaks of God "knocking at your door" it means at the door of your heart; your very essence of being and comprehension. In other words, you have an awareness of God's presence before you. This is what I have talked about when I have mentioned that a day will come when all people will have a chance to decide about whether to believe in Jesus or not to believe in Him as Lord and Saviour.

BTW: Have you ever had someone knock at your door and you knew who was knocking just by the way they knocked? Perhaps you heard the knock in a unique way that tipped you off it was a friend or family member or a stranger? The only way you would willingly open the door is if you felt comfortable and assured that the person knocking was not there to do harm - right?

Well, the context of the verse indicates that one day God does knock on the door of a person's heart and if he/she willingly (free-will) is ready to accept Him then he/she will invite Christ into their life and He will indwell them through the presence of His Holy Spirit. That is the only way we, as humans, are able to really change our ways - through the help and empowerment of God's presence in our lives. At the same time, the most important thing happens - you receive the Promised Salvation of God through accepting His Son as Lord of your life.

I also believe that God knows how stubborn and skeptical people can be and He will continue to knock on the door to a person's heart until they either open the door and invite Him in or make a conscious decision to reject Him - and sadly many have rejected God and the Free Gift of Salvation that He offered through the Atoning Blood of Jesus.

Yes, God knocked on the door of my heart and it was then that my spirit became aware of the Deity of Jesus Christ - when all the while I had been thinking I did not need Jesus as my Mediator to God. I knew it was God.

Remember also that we communicate with God on a spiritual level as it is mentioned:

But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. (John 4:23-24)

Again, if this brings up more questions, please ask.

 

[PsyOps]

Good Morning PsyOps,

Although Joseph may have not directly heard God's Voice, per se, you may recall that he did have an Intervention of God's Message.
Remember that when Joseph learned that Mary was expecting - and knew it wasn't his child since the two had not been "together", Joseph was going to have Mary go out of public site for a while.

Well, actually, the following verses explain it better than what I can:

from Matthew, Chapter 1:
19: Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a publick example, was minded to put her away privily.
20: But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.
21: And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.
22: Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,
23: Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
24: Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife:
25: And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.

And the rest is HIStory.

Considering accounts from all the Gospels it's obvious that God appeared to Mary first to announce the good news. Verse 19 (above) shows that Joseph was in denial of these facts and aimed to hide Mary's shame. I would also gather from this that Mary tried to explain her pregnancy to Joseph but he rejected her explanation. So God felt the need to go directly to Joseph to open his eyes to the Truth.

The big spritual question is: why would God 1) make Mary pregnant before she and Joseph were married? And 2) why wouldn't God tell both of them together?

 

[brendar buhl]

Hi brendar,

Good question and, yes, there is an answer:

Remember that many times scripture is interpreted in a figurative sense - not a literal and physical sense of the term...

The only reason that I asked about the door knocking thing is because you used that verse to support the idea of you hearing God's voice. It seems to me that if the "knocking on the door" is figurative than the "voice of God" is probably figurative as well.

I've been a devout Christian for a long time and God has never spoken to me. It makes me wonder how that same God can seem so different to two believers. Also, none of the verses that you have references even comes close to explaining that crazy "white dove" experience that 2A was talking about. Why would God use mystical voices to talk to you and magical disappearing foul to communicate with 2A? Especially while the rest of us are left wrestling with nothing more than obscurely ancient religious text?

 

[PsyOps]

When god Talked to me

I think it’s a matter of knowing how to hear God’s voice (not that I am an kind of expert by an stretch…). Here are a couple of examples where I felt God was talking to me.

It was 1984 and I was getting ready to go into the AF in a few months and wanted to get my head on straight and get some things worked out spiritually before I made this big leap. I prayed to God asking Him to help me get involved with some someone or a group that would help me with this. I was working at a clothing store when a customer came in; a guy about my age, wanting to buy a suit. As we talked and I sold, the conversation got around to music (I am a guitar player and was pretty heavy into a guitar player name Phil Keaggy) and then he asked if I knew Phil Keaggy. Immediately I felt like this was God’s way of telling me “here is what you asked for”. So I got involved in this guy’s Christian group until I went off to basic training.

My older brother (a Christian) was also in the AF and was involved in a Christian group called The Navigators. They focus on college campuses and military bases to provide Christian support for folks isolated from family… While I was in training I, once again, prayed to God to help me find a Navigator group when I got to my first assignment. When I got to that first assignment I was there about 3 or 4 days and was doing my laundry (I lived in the dorms) when this guy showed up. We got to talking and he mentioned he saw a guitar in my room and said he also played guitar. Then he asked if I knew Phil Keaggy. I just had a huge grin on my face because of how God can answer you and with a humor. Anyway we got to talking about our faith and such then I asked if he knew if there were any Navigator groups in the area and he said he was a member of the local group. I didn’t even have to go looking. God brought it right in my lap.

I guess you could say God was talking to me. Sometimes we have to know how to listen.

 

[Starman3000m]

Considering accounts from all the Gospels it's obvious that God appeared to Mary first to announce the good news. Verse 19 (above) shows that Joseph was in denial of these facts and aimed to hide Mary's shame. I would also gather from this that Mary tried to explain her pregnancy to Joseph but he rejected her explanation. So God felt the need to go directly to Joseph to open his eyes to the Truth.

Yes. Joseph needed to have the direct Divine Intervention to reveal God's Truth about the Child Mary was carrying. Had it been any other person telling Joseph to just keep the pregnancy "under wraps" and take Mary as a wife anyway I don't think Joseph would have accepted that. I doubt that Joseph would trust Mary either if she claimed the Child was not from another man but was from God.

The big spritual question is: why would God 1) make Mary pregnant before she and Joseph were married?

In order to keep Mary pure, chaste and virgin; untouched by Joseph through consummation of marriage.

God gave Mary this revelation first, I believe, to prepare her for accepting God's Plan of Salvation and how she was going to be part of His Plan. Mary found favor with God and perhaps, in a way, God was also testing her "consent" and willingness to be the mother of The Saviour.

And 2) why wouldn't God tell both of them together?

Good question that only God knows why other than Mary would have to be the first to consent for God's Divine Intervention without Joseph knowing at the same time who could then feel obligated to put pressure on her to go along with God's Plan.

Remember also that each of us must answer to God individually in whatever way He approaches us.

This reminds me of when God approached Abraham and told him Sarah, his wife, was going to have a child. (Genesis, Chapter 17) Although Sarah was not told first in this case, Abraham laughed and kinda doubted that Sarah could even bare a child in her older age. Then in Genesis, Chapter 18, Abraham is once again confirmed by angels of God that Sarah was going to conceive a child but this time Sarah overhears the conversation and laughs, also believing she would not have a chance to bare a child because of her age. The account continues where both Abraham and Sarah stepped out of the will of God's pronouncement and -as you know - mankind has had troubles ever since. But hey, God is Merciful and forgiving and as scripture says all things work out:

And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. (Romans 8:28)

 

[Starman3000m]

The only reason that I asked about the door knocking thing is because you used that verse to support the idea of you hearing God's voice. It seems to me that if the "knocking on the door" is figurative than the "voice of God" is probably figurative as well.

I've been a devout Christian for a long time and God has never spoken to me. It makes me wonder how that same God can seem so different to two believers. Also, none of the verses that you have references even comes close to explaining that crazy "white dove" experience that 2A was talking about. Why would God use mystical voices to talk to you and magical disappearing foul to communicate with 2A? Especially while the rest of us are left wrestling with nothing more than obscurely ancient religious text?

Hi brendar,

I am glad to know that you are a devout Christian but remember earlier I mentioned that each person has different experiences in how they come to the realization of God's Truth. And the Truth is that Jesus Christ is the Son of The Living God and Saviour of mankind which each person will need to give an account of whether they accepted Him or rejected Him.

In the case of my spiritual hunger to know God I still did not acknowledge the Lordship and Deity of Jesus and my wife didn't believe in God at all. I didn't expect to hear God's Voice at all, brendar, all I wanted was to just get my life straightened out with God because I was a miserable lost soul searching for God's Direction in my life. God's Intervention saved my marriage to Diane at a point where I was definitely ready to walk out and leave her (thinking that was what God wanted me to do) as mentioned in my testimony.

But, my wife and I are by no means special or more favored than anyone else who is a devout believer, it is that this is what it took to makes us both devout believers.

Regarding whether the Voice I heard could have actually been in the "figurative" sense rather than the literal I can testify before God that the words I heard were in fact audibly spoken with a crystal clear resonance and not just a mere "thought" or sense of intellectual comprehension. Again, the Voice testified of Jesus and brought my wife and me to Salvation.

In 2Amendment's case, I believe it was God's Intervention Witnessing to him about the Spiritual conversion that he had and, as you know, the Holy Spirit of God has been described as appearing as a white dove.

You may also recall through reading in the Holy Bible that God's Voice had also been audibly heard by others. Here are some verses:

From Matthew, Chapter 3:

16: And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
17: And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

From Matthew. Chapter 16:

13: When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?
14: And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets.
15: He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
16: And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
17: And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-jona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

From Mark, Chapter 1:

9: And it came to pass in those days, that Jesus came from Nazareth of Galilee, and was baptized of John in Jordan.
10: And straightway coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon him:
11: And there came a voice from heaven, saying, Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

From John, Chapter 12:

23: And Jesus answered them, saying, The hour is come, that the Son of man should be glorified.
24: Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.
25: He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal.
26: If any man serve me, let him follow me; and where I am, there shall also my servant be: if any man serve me, him will my Father honour.
27: Now is my soul troubled; and what shall I say? Father, save me from this hour: but for this cause came I unto this hour.
28: Father, glorify thy name. Then came there a voice from heaven, saying, I have both glorified it, and will glorify it again.
29: The people therefore, that stood by, and heard it, said that it thundered: others said, An angel spake to him.
30: Jesus answered and said, This voice came not because of me, but for your sakes.

Again, feel free to ask more questions.

Next time I can share about the reaction by the board of directors at the church I had been attending when my wife and I were asked by the pastor to give our testimony to the congregation.

 

[brendar buhl]

Hi brendar,

I am glad to know that you are a devout Christian but remember earlier I mentioned that each person has different experiences in how they come to the realization of God's Truth. And the Truth is that Jesus Christ is the Son of The Living God and Saviour of mankind which each person will need to give an account of whether they accepted Him or rejected Him...

That's what I'm talking about. My experience with God has been very different from your experience with God, and we both probably grew up in a very similar culture. I don't doubt you faith just because your experience completely different then mine. It has always amazed me how faith can be different even within the same community. These differences cause many people of faith to "throw stones" at others (figuratively speaking of course).

So let me ask you a question: If you were brought up in Palestine or Syria or Asscrackistan and you had a feeling, deep down inside, that there was a God who wanted a relationship with you, what would you call that God?

 

[Starman3000m]

That's what I'm talking about. My experience with God has been very different from your experience with God, and we both probably grew up in a very similar culture. I don't doubt you faith just because your experience completely different then mine. It has always amazed me how faith can be different even within the same community. These differences cause many people of faith to "throw stones" at others (figuratively speaking of course).

So let me ask you a question: If you were brought up in Palestine or Syria or Asscrackistan and you had a feeling, deep down inside, that there was a God who wanted a relationship with you, what would you call that God?

I would call Him by the same name I do today, "Father".
That is the relationship that we have with the True God of Creation through the Mediation of His Son Jesus Christ. He is the same Creator for all people no matter where one lives and He wants us to have a relationship as His Children and not the children of perdition. That is the situation mankind is in today by individual choice; remain children of perdition or become Children of God by adoption whereby we cry Abba, Father.

Uh...sorry - never heard of that last country you mentioned.

 

[brendar buhl]

So, people in Muslim nations are going to try to worship the creator of the universe in the best way that they know in accordance with what they have been taught by their culture. I think that is what G. W. Bush was saying when he said we have the same God.

 

[2ndAmendment]

...
The big spritual question is: why would God 1) make Mary pregnant before she and Joseph were married? And 2) why wouldn't God tell both of them together?

To fulfill prophesy. The Messiah was to be born of a virgin as Starman3000m posted. What man would keep his wife a virgin after getting married? Not me. You? So, in order to have a virgin bare the Messiah, she was not married. Hence, the miraculous part of the birth of Jesus and fulfillment of prophesy.

Many (most?) people don't believe in miracles. I'd venture to say and many people that go by the term Christian don't believe in miracles. What is a miracle? It is an event that cannot happen in human terms but happens anyway because God causes it to happen. It goes back to letting God be God and do as He does for His own pleasure and purpose. We may not understand it, but we don't understand a drop of water and everything in it, How are we going to understand the God that created the drop of water?

 

[2ndAmendment]

So, people in Muslim nations are going to try to worship the creator of the universe in the best way that they know in accordance with what they have been taught by their culture. I think that is what G. W. Bush was saying when he said we have the same God.

But there is the divergence from the Bible. If the God of the Bible and all other gods are the same and all paths lead to God's kingdom, there would have been no reason for the crucifixion of Jesus, the resurrection, and Y'shua's great commission to all His disciples including those that follow Him today. Those events and that command from Jesus delineate the difference.

Something that you may or may not be aware of is the description of the Mahdi that is the expected "Messiah" of Islam bares a striking resemblance to the anti-christ of the Bible. Two similarities right off the bat are they both come at the end of a period of world wide anarchy and rise to rule the world. The Biblical rendition goes a little further and says this person seems very good for the first 3 1/2 years but then becomes totally despotic, rules in despotism and persecution of all that will not worship him (including Christians) which lasts for 3 1/2 years and then Jesus returns to defeat him and the armies of the world.

 

[Starman3000m]

So, people in Muslim nations are going to try to worship the creator of the universe in the best way that they know in accordance with what they have been taught by their culture. I think that is what G. W. Bush was saying when he said we have the same God.

Hi brendar,

Tell ya what: you tell us if you agree with G.W. Bush that the Muslims have and worship the same God that you do:

1.) The word Al'lah is Arabic for "The God"

2.) Islam teaches that Al'lah had NO son, thus, Muhammad denied the claim that Jesus Christ is The Son of God.

3.) Islam teaches that Muhammad encountered a spirit-being in a cave and was so frightened he ran home to hide fearing that the spirit was a demonic-jinn (spirit)

4.) Muhammad claimed that the spirit being (later known as Jibreel/Gabriel) revealed that the Jews and Christians had corrupted the word of God and that he (Muhammad) was assigned to lead mankind to "truth" and establish Islam throughout the world.

5.) All of the "revelations" were never directly spoken to Muhammad by GOD as in the Old and New Testaments when God spoke directly to His Prophets and to Jesus of Nazareth. The revelations came from the spirit-being.

6.) Muhammad claimed that Jesus was never really crucified on the cross and that Jesus just ascended into heaven without having died at all.

7.) Islam teaches that Al'lah allows men to beat their wives for being disobedient and a man can marry as many as four wives if he wishes.

8.) Islam teaches that any Muslim who converts to another faith is to be killed.

9.) Islam teaches that a person must first be invited to accept Al'lah and Muhammad and if they refuse they are to be counted as an enemy of Islam and should be killed.

10.) Islam teaches that Jews and Christians are to be regarded as "People of the Book" and can be somewhat tolerated and allowed to practice their faith BUT they are to pay a tax (jizyah) to the Muslim community in order to continue being able to live there. (Protection money)

There are many other examples but up to this point do you also believe like G.W. Bush that the "God" of Islam is the same as the Christian God that you believe in?
Oh, and by the way, contrary to what our politicaly correct politicians say, ISLAM Does Not Mean Peace; it Means Submission.

More info that I have written on the comparison between the Qur'an and Holy Bible is found at:
http://www.Starman3000.com

 

[Midnightrider]

Hi brendar,

Tell ya what: you tell us if you agree with G.W. Bush that the Muslims have and worship the same God that you do:

1.) The word Al'lah is Arabic for "The God" Ok, i dont see the point

2.) Islam teaches that Al'lah had NO son, thus, Muhammad denied the claim that Jesus Christ is The Son of God. so you have a difference of opinion about jesus, ot God

3.) Islam teaches that Muhammad encountered a spirit-being in a cave and was so frightened he ran home to hide fearing that the spirit was a demonic-jinn (spirit) so

4.) Muhammad claimed that the spirit being (later known as Jibreel/Gabriel) revealed that the Jews and Christians had corrupted the word of God and that he (Muhammad) was assigned to lead mankind to "truth" and establish Islam throughout the world. again, the god they are speaking of is the same god, they just aren't agreeing with your BOOK's version

5.) All of the "revelations" were never directly spoken to Muhammad by GOD as in the Old and New Testaments when God spoke directly to His Prophets and to Jesus of Nazareth. The revelations came from the spirit-being. who is right, we dont know, but we are still talking about god, right? you are just arguing if islam or christianity is more right here

6.) Muhammad claimed that Jesus was never really crucified on the cross and that Jesus just ascended into heaven without having died at all. again, making no claim on god here, they just dont believe the christ part.

7.) Islam teaches that Al'lah allows men to beat their wives for being disobedient and a man can marry as many as four wives if he wishes. ok, well Christianity tought that it was ok to own slaves, beat and kill them if necesarry, and the mormon church is christian, so i guess the bible also allows multiple wives

8.) Islam teaches that any Muslim who converts to another faith is to be killed.christianity claims that all who do not accept juses will spend eternity in hell, not too much different, and neither are exclusive to any one god

9.) Islam teaches that a person must first be invited to accept Al'lah and Muhammad and if they refuse they are to be counted as an enemy of Islam and should be killed.baptism, rebirth, accpet jesus or spend eternity in hell....

10.) Islam teaches that Jews and Christians are to be regarded as "People of the Book" and can be somewhat tolerated and allowed to practice their faith BUT they are to pay a tax (jizyah) to the Muslim community in order to continue being able to live there. (Protection money)and christians want to force all other religions out, still says nothing as to the god at work

There are many other examples but up to this point do you also believe like G.W. Bush that the "God" of Islam is the same as the Christian God that you believe in?
Oh, and by the way, contrary to what our politicaly correct politicians say, ISLAM Does Not Mean Peace; it Means Submission.

More info that I have written on the comparison between the Qur'an and Holy Bible is found at:
http://www.Starman3000.com

its the same god, just a different book

 

[PsyOps]

its the same god, just a different book