Xaquin44
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Xaquin44
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no actually, it's just one word and doesn't say much of anything.
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Bruzilla
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I don't see where you can support that contention with the facts. The mere implementation of a shall issue law doesn't mean that a majority of people will rush out to get a permit, or that those who do get a permit will carry. I would concede your point if every citizen were mandated to get a permit and carry, but the average is only 2% get a permit and even fewer actually carry.
What I think can be said is that crime will migrate from areas with higher numbers of CCPs to areas of lower numbers. I live in Clay County, which has a lot of CCP holders. We have a fair amount of crime, but not as much as Duval County where there are fewer CCPs. That could show some correlation, but there are also tons of drug dealers and other criminals living on the northside of Jacksonville who aren't over here either. So is it the presence of more criminals, or more permit holders, that makes the difference?
I don't see the occurences of violent crime going down, it's just the locations changing.
Back in the early 1980s, FL passed a law that allowed people to keep a loaded handgun in their car. The result of this was that carjackers started targeting tourists levaing airports in rental cars (identifyable by the letter W at the end of the tag number) since these were the only cars they knew for sure wouldn't have a gun in them. This situation supports your contention. But, once the authorities caught on to the situation, and gave the rental agencies standard plates for rental cars, the tourists were no longer singled out and the criminals went back to taking their chances with random cars, and the criminals didn't go away or stop committing crimes.
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Bruzilla
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Like I said... most people who are attacked are the victims of blitz attack, meaning there is no warning. The first indication that a person has that they are in trouble is the moment they are grabbed, hit, pushed, etc. If the woman in your example is pushed toward the ground, she is going to instinctively release her Ladysmith and put her strong hand out to brace herself. It's an instinctive response. If the lady is smart, she not only has her keys in her weak hand, but also has a key protruding from between each of her fingers, which makes for a great tearing/jabbing weapon. She strikes the attacker in the face with her keys, then gets her gun out provided she still has control of her purse.
But let's change that situation a bit. The woman sees two guys walking towards her and "she pulls the handgun from her purse and displays the business end to them". At that point the only person commiting a crime is the woman for brandishing a firearm. That's the problem with CCP laws... there has to be a threat before you can even draw your weapon. Two guys walking near you could be two attackers, or could be two guys going to their car. Until they make a move they do not construe a threat. And it takes just one guy to call the police and say this woman pointed a gun at me to land her ass in jail.
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Bruzilla
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Do you have a reason for carrying? Are you in law enforcement? Working a dangerous job? Living/working in a dangerous area? You probably are. You have a reason to carry and you do. That makes you very different from the guys who just want to carry for the sake of carrying, and fantasize about having shootouts with bad guys.
DEEKAYPEE8569
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There is a man; Dr. Ignatius Piazza who founded a defensive handgun training camp in California. It's called "Frontsight." He sends anyone who wants the information, newsletter-type e-mails. In one of the e-mails he talks about the difference between "acting" and "re-acting," and making absolutely sure what the situation is before drawing your sidearm. Now, a lone female, at night being approached by two males has cause to be cautious but not defensive. However, in this day and age, I understand the thought process; the "Fight or Flight" thing. In this woman's case, panic might be the predominant reaction; jumping into "defensive mode but immediately pulling out and "waving a gun around" is the incorrect RE-action. Again, this Dr. Piazza makes very valid points; some of which are common sense; and some points a lot of folks might not know.
Front Sight Firearms Training Institute
It doesn't cost anything to receive his reports. All you have to do is sign up.
I found them interesting. Perhaps someone else will also.
And you could change the scenario a little more ... she sees the guys, unholsters the weapon or retrieves it from her purse, holds the weapon at her side pointing towards the ground, no threat to the guys, they see the gun and walk/run in another direction away from the lady that they now realize they scared.
Xaquin44
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or they could pull out the guns that they are legally carrying because they think some crazy woman may try to kill them.
and then the ninja arrive.
AK-74me
"Typical White Person"
I don't understand your thinking?
You know that anything can happen, anywhere at anytime. I also live about 1/4 mile from a fire department, yet I have a sprinkler system and two fire extinquishers in my home.
I live in a safe area, but those people out in Colorado last year probably thought they were pretty safe at church too. So what if the %'s are lower in some places. Like I said earlier, the bad guy picks the time and place and all you can do is try to be prepared.
If someone is carrying for the "wrong reasons" as long as they are not breaking any laws, or being unsafe, I couldn't careless. Alot of people, law enforcement included, probably start out with the wrong mentality about carrying a gun, most the time the novelty wears off fairly quickly and it is seen as what it truely is, and that is just a tool.
So then everyone has them at their sides and can now back away or get busy. What's the problem?
Xaquin44
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So then everyone has them at their sides and can now back away or get busy. What's the problem?
well .... I guess they are more prepared for the ninja assault.
If one can be said to be prepared for such fury.
BOP
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Driving is a privilege; gun ownership is a right.
I thought at least he would be a hero of yours given the continued ninja references.
BOP
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BOP
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Both are mechanical contrivances; both require a basic level of hand/eye coordination; both require a significant attention to detail; both can kill the operator and/or another person, regardless of intent. Do we need to go on?
I drive through Calvert and St Mary's counties every day. Every day, I see numerous idiots behind the wheel. Not that I don't have my moments, mind you, but I work hard at being a good, safe driver.
I take special note of the idiots driving company vehicles, writing down the names of the companies, and other relevant details (at the stop light/signs, or when I get to work! Let's head that off at the pass).
Besides calling and/or emailing the companies about the behaviour of their employees, I also make a note to myself not to use that company for whatever home ownership related maintenance function that company may advertise, and so on and so forth.
Why? I naturally assume that if they're incapable of operating a motor vehicle in a competent manner, they probably have the same kind of work habits. Is that a fair comparison? Is it even true? Maybe, maybe not. Most people I've talked to draw the same conclusion. You know; that old 'first impressions being the last impression' thing.
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BOP
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The real tragedy is that for women, every man is a potential threat.