Time to grow up and put your guns away

Larry Gude

Larry Gude

Strung Out
Ok...

Xaquin44 said:
'what if' is fun.

It dusk.

Just the right time .... for crime!

I'm leaving work when I hear a rustling of leaves above my head. Fortunatly, I have my trusty 9mm in my equally trusty shoulder holster.

BLAM!

BLAM!

BLAM!

BLAM!

ah.

Ninja.

So this is how the night will play.

Four Ninja lie dead at my feet. Each has an exist wound the size of my fist behind the smoking area that used to be their black hearts.

etc. etc.

I'm pretty sure this is how crime goes down mostly.

Sure you get some real stories sometimes, but this is how I imagine it.
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...I find myself suddenly in favor of considering limiting your right to keep and bear arms. Do you think you should have 2nd amendment rights, you personally?
 
SamSpade

SamSpade

Well-Known Member
Larry Gude said:
You seem to be in favor of perpetual punishment and maybe that is justified, but I still don't see where the purging of a pedophiles record has anything to do with this. Why would anyone want to purge that record???
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When you demonstrate that you cannot be trusted, you don't get your life back. You don't deserve full restoration of your rights.

We consider pedophiles as a special case in our society. Anyone else, their past crimes are not a matter of public record. (Any felons living within a mile of your house?) These guys, everyone knows. They might just as well have a Scarlet Letter on them.

As I've repeatedly tried to demonstrate, they have lost their rights. (For some reason, you seem to be determined to connect it to them losing their rights to bear arms, and as such, you're still missing the point - they committed a crime, they lose rights - period. They don't get them restored).

We deprive people of rights all the time. Just because you have the 2nd amendment doesn't mean you get to buy guns while incarcerated. You don't. You lose that right. If that means you lose it afterwards, I'm cool with that. It's one thing to defend your life - it's another to bust a cap in someone's ass, spend a few years locked up, get out and be freely allowed to do it again.
 
Xaquin44

Xaquin44

New Member
Nucklesack said:
The problem with your hypothesis is the 41 out of 48 states that have some form of CCW.

39 of those States have a "liberal" :)lmao:) CCW process, generally if you can get a firearm (pass a NAC/LAC) then you can also get a CCW.

2 of them, as long as your not a felon, have a no Permit CCW, in otherwords you dont need permission.

Yet with 85% of CCW states (41 out of 48), or 82% of all states, the above (hysterical) scenario, you describe above, isnt the Norm. And believe me, if it was a common place occurence you would definetly hear about it.
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duh!

most of the time the ninjas win and it's a missing person case now.

hehe

I'll stop trolling my what if .... for now!
 
Larry Gude

Larry Gude

Strung Out
That...

SamSpade said:
When you demonstrate that you cannot be trusted, you don't get your life back. You don't deserve full restoration of your rights.
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...flies in the face of our Judeo/Christian foundation of contrition, forgiveness and redemption. Look at Bobs posts. You want a law that puts you in purgatory because you were pissing on the side of the and a school bus just happened by?

I mean, we do not have the ability, as a society, to judge anymore. We use very broad brushes that over react to everything and place more of the burden on the law abiding. Some bastard who actually raped a child should be put to death as far as I am concerned. That doesn't make me willing to to have distortions of the law where angry parents want some 21 year old dip#### put to death because their sweet little innocent 15 year old angel gave him a blow job.
 
Pushrod

Pushrod

Patriot
Larry Gude said:
...me to clarify.

It seems reasonable, to me, to have some sort of certification on the state level, akin to a drivers license. There has to be an agreeable starting point somewhere to achieve a good consensus, yes?

I would think that there could be private business that provides the course work with a seal of approval from the state. Some board with government officials, military folks, law enforcement, private citizens, a NRA component, sport shooters, etc, would be the people charged with coming up with the requirements.

So, they set the test; handling your weapon safely, exhibit solid observation of the four rules, weapon storage, weapon carrying, basic marksman ship, shooting range and classroom study of the law and shoot/no shoot scenarios.

So, if you were in the military or a cop and you pass, you pass. If you're Joe Six pack and you pass, you pass. I envision a test that can be done in a few hours. If you don't pass, you take a course. So, conceivably, with a little common sense and time spent with grandpa when you were a kid, you could pass the test on the first try.

How's that sound?
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For one, a driving a car is not a right, keeping and bearing an arm is. Any type of requirement that can prohibit a free-person from bearing arms is an infringement. Now if we are talking about just concealed carry, and failing the course means that you have to open carry only, I don't see that as an infringement.
What I think would set better within the bounds of Constitutional control over the government, is having a mandatory firearms safetly and handling course for all grade school students. Then it would still be up to the free will of the individuals whether they decided to own and carry a weapon when they became freemen (were emancipated from their parents). At least they would have the basic knowledge of skill sets and safety with weapons.
Also, I would not be apposed to the states offering 'free' refresher courses on firearms for those who didn't receive the course in grade school or who felt the need to increase their knowledge/skill sets later in life. I interprit the Second Amendment to be that anything else being an infringement.
 
Xaquin44

Xaquin44

New Member
Pushrod said:
Now if we are talking about just concealed carry, and failing the course means that you have to open carry only, I don't see that as an infringement.
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and this is one major problem I have.

If you fail knowing how to use a deadly weapon properly, you should not have the right/ability to carry one around.

most people I see driving around don't know how to use a turn signal.

These people should not be relied upon to handle an instrument capable of killing a person at the speed of sound.
 
chernmax

chernmax

NOT Politically Correct!!
Xaquin44 said:
I carry a handgun with me everywhere I go.

When I'm at safeway (safe my ass) I am fully ready to shoot someone who takes a grape.

also, when I'm pumping gas after work in broad daylight I would shoot a person trying to steal my sweet Saturn Ion.

Pretty much I figure rather then wait for myself to become a victim (like everyone in the entier world has been or will be), I'll head it off by carrying a loaded weapon with me wherever I go.

That is all.
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Sounds like an accurate description of the thugs carring the guns now. :coffee:
 
Larry Gude

Larry Gude

Strung Out
You fail!

Xaquin44 said:
and this is one major problem I have.

If you fail knowing how to use a deadly weapon properly, you should not have the right/ability to carry one around.

most people I see driving around don't know how to use a turn signal.

These people should not be relied upon to handle an instrument capable of killing a person at the speed of sound.
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Most guns shoot rounds that go faster than the speed of sound.

I'm so smart. :diva:
 
Xaquin44

Xaquin44

New Member
You can use a car without a Permit - no you can't
You can purchase as many cars as you can afford - true, but I wasn't aware of a limit on guns. Then again, I've never purchased one hehe

Cars kill vastly more people than a firearm - that is true, and anyone that can't handle a car generally speaking, imho shouldn't be able to handle a gun.
 
Vince

Vince

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Xaquin44 said:
You can use a car without a Permit - no you can't
You can purchase as many cars as you can afford - true, but I wasn't aware of a limit on guns. Then again, I've never purchased one hehe

Cars kill vastly more people than a firearm - that is true, and anyone that can't handle a car generally speaking, imho shouldn't be able to handle a gun.
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That is idiotic. The two do not correlate. I know quite a few people that don't drive and can shoot very well.
 
V

vegmom

Bookseller Lady
ImnoMensa said:
Lighten up. Rebecca is a liberal who hasnt been robbed or raped yet.

They usually change their mind's after they become victims, but sad to say, some of them never learn.
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I'm a liberal and both of those things happened to me. I still don't own a gun.
 
Xaquin44

Xaquin44

New Member
Yes you can, you do not need a Permit to use a vehicle on your own land - We aren't talking about on your own land though.

Maryland (and some other states) is/are a One Gun a month state - ok but still, that's a lot of guns. I don't really support 1 gun a month, but I'm not going to cry over it either (not saying anyone is).

Apples to Oranges. You want (some kind of) restrictions on Guns, yet Cars and other objects kill vastly more people. Since you agree, what is your justification for restrictions on Firearms? - There are restrictions on car use already. It's a shame they aren't enforced more.
 
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