Tortured Iraqis

[Christy]

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Originally posted by Tonio
Maybe that's why all this sounds so strange to me. I've never had the Us/Them mindset. Because of my experience in school, it was more like Me/Everyone Else.

It's all a matter of degrees. It's like an onion, you have layers of us and them. Mine are..

1. My immediate family. If say a cousin were to attempt to insult, or harm my family, smack down.

2. Extended family, if some jerk down the street went messing with my cousin, smack down.

3. Friends, some jerk stranger goes after one of my friends, smackdown.

4. My fellow Southern Marylanders, we get invaded by DC gangs, smackdown.

5. My countrmen.

6. US Allies

7. Aliens, the world would pull together real quick and work together to put the smackdown on some aliens.

:shrug: See what I mean?

 

[sleuth]

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Originally posted by Christy


7. Aliens, the world would pull together real quick and work together to put the smackdown on some aliens.

I figured all the democrats would go out of the way to prove that it's the republicans testing all their black military projects and taking over the world. :shrug:

 

[Toxick]

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Originally posted by Christy
Being deliberately mean establishes dominance, you see it on a non-life threatening scale on the forums everyday. Establishing dominance right off the get go eliminates the weak right off the get go, then it gets down to who can be the meanest. Whoever is the meanest and can't be intimidated wins. It's the way of the world, always has been. :shrug:

I disagree. Competely and utterly.

I've been in groups where I would be called the 'alpha male' and in groups where I would be the beyotch. Establishing dominance is not a function of being mean. Adaptation, intelligence, ambition, and other factors enter into it.

I've never seen anyone in any position of authority or dominance who got there by being mean.

 

[Christy]

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Originally posted by Toxick
I disagree. Competely and utterly.

I've been in groups where I would be called the 'alpha male' and in groups where I would be the beyotch. Establishing dominance is not a function of being mean. Adaptation, intelligence, ambition, and other factors enter into it.

I've never seen anyone in any position of authority or dominance who got there by being mean.

We're talking war and invasion into one's "safe zone", not everday life, that's a whole different set of rules. You're mixing apples and oranges.

 

[Tonio]

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Originally posted by Christy
It's all a matter of degrees. It's like an onion, you have layers of us and them.

I can appreciate that. I was talking in terms of feeling isolated and alone because the treatment I got in school.

 

[Toxick]

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Originally posted by Christy
We're talking war and invasion into one's "safe zone", not everday life, that's a whole different set of rules. You're mixing apples and oranges.

I don't think so. Remember I equated these things earlier. Human mentality and socialogy are the same, whether its gang warfare to nuclear warfare. It is my belief that the same set of rules apply.

Five minutes ago you stair stepped from immediate family to aliens. I'd have thought you'd agree with me.


But we are running rather far afield.

My simple contention is that while it is human nature to try to dominate, it is not evil.

 

[Christy]

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Originally posted by Tonio
I can appreciate that. I was talking in terms of feeling isolated and alone because the treatment I got in school.

Tonio, have you ever thought of going to a shrink? I'm not saying that to be a smartazz, I'm serious. You seem to have some serious issues with being bullied in school. We've all felt isolated at one time or another, it's just a matter of how you deal with it. I had/have somewhat of a different outlook when it comes to being ostracized and isolated from a group. I seriously view them as mentally screwed up and genetically flawed, I always was thankful I didn't fit into their "niche". (after a day or so of being p!ssed off) :shrug:

 

[itsbob]

Originally posted by SmallTown
Nobody is saying we felt it was justified. We (I) am saying in THEIR eyes and the eyes of the people who hate the US, they feel they were justified in chopping the guy's head off. To them, our actions in the prison camp gave them enough reason to do what they did. Nobody here is saying what they did wasn't wrong and that we don't want to get those who were a part of it. We sometimes forget these terrorists don't think the way we do. They aren't as rational.

NOPE.. don't buy it.. they were going to chop his head off anyways.. this just gave them a way to spin it to the Arabs, to give them a positive spin on yet another atrocity. If this was in answer to the abuse from us, why not show him naked at the end of a leash?

 

[Christy]

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Originally posted by Toxick
I don't think so. Remember I equated these things earlier. Human mentality and socialogy are the same, whether its gang warfare to nuclear warfare. It is my belief that the same set of rules apply.

My simple contention is that while it is human nature to try to dominate, it is not evil.

Gang warfare and nuclear warfare are still apples. Going to work everyday and getting along with folks in your neighborhood are oranges. Both require completely different mindsets and rules.

 

[Danzig]

here..... http://www.ehowa.com/mythoughts/prisonerabuse.shtml


I'm off to lunch

 

[Tonio]

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Originally posted by Christy
You seem to have some serious issues with being bullied in school.

More of a lingering guilt. At the time I felt like, "What did I do to bring this on? Am I being punished by God or the Universe, like did Great-Grandpappy Tonio pizz on a cross or something?"

 

[SuperGrover]

Originally posted by Danzig
here..... http://www.ehowa.com/mythoughts/prisonerabuse.shtml


I'm off to lunch

OH MY GOD! That explains it all, how can a 2-star General not see that!

 

[SmallTown]

Originally posted by itsbob
NOPE.. don't buy it.. they were going to chop his head off anyways.. this just gave them a way to spin it to the Arabs, to give them a positive spin on yet another atrocity.

duh, that is what I have been saying from day 1

 

[SuperGrover]

Originally posted by SmallTown
duh, that is what I have been saying from day 1

... and it only took you... how many posts to get the point across? people probably just skim through the posts. LOL

 

[SuperGrover]

Torture Is Fruitless, Say U.S. Questioners

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/ne...ne=Torture+is+fruitless,+say+U.S.+questioners

just something to ponder about... and the following quote.

Los Angeles Times
May 18, 2004
Pg. 1

Death Of Prisoner Detailed In Testimony

England, interviewed May 5 at Ft. Bragg, N.C., said that she did not believe the guards went too far in punishing detainees and that much of what happened in the prison's notorious cellblock 1A was done in sport.

"We thought it looked funny, so pictures were taken," she said. It was "basically us fooling around."

Does anyone really believe that they were doing these things for revenge or for interrogation purposes. like i've said before, they were playing around. if the leadership had been stronger (i'm talking about the squad, platoon, company, battalion...), this could not have been stopped earlier or minimized.

 

[Christy]

Re: Torture Is Fruitless, Say U.S. Questioners

Originally posted by SuperGrover
[BDoes anyone really believe that they were doing these things for revenge or for interrogation purposes. like i've said before, they were playing around. if the leadership had been stronger (i'm talking about the squad, platoon, company, battalion...), this could not have been stopped earlier or minimized. [/B]

You know, at this stage of the game, I really could give a flip. So what? Who cares? Call me when we start chopping off heads or take them out in town and burn em up. I think they will survive the emotional trauma of wearing women's undewear.

 

[vraiblonde]

Originally posted by Christy
I think they will survive the emotional trauma of wearing women's undewear.

But...but...Christy! That's so much worse than being electrocuted and fed into the wood chipper!

 

[Toxick]

Four arrested over beheading of US businessman in Iraq



I think we should put panties on their heads until they give up the whereabouts of al-Zarqawi.


Apparently that's the worst torture imaginable - and it doesn't leave marks.



As long as you're not dumb enough to record yourself or take pictures

 

[Ken King]

Originally posted by Toxick
- and it doesn't leave marks.

You sure about that? Wouldn't it depend on how recently the underwear had been used and by whom as to if it left marks or not?

 

[vraiblonde]

A cop buddy once told me that the best way to kill someone without leaving evidence is to beat them to death with a phone book, then burn the phone book.