Tortured Iraqis

[tlatchaw]

Re: Operation Hot Spot

Originally posted by Hessian
An ambush yields two burning Humvees and a dead soldier...
20 minutes later: All US personel are cleared away from the site by air lift and armored support.
25 minutes late, large mob comes to burn Humvees, parade US goods looted, and chant their defiance of American Cowards.
25:05: three thermal guided Air-ground missles obliterate the two Humvees and torch 145 locals, leaving 100 more scarred.

End of demonstrations near US sabotage sites.
US offers burn medicine in exchange for weapons/for information.

That's mean, evil, despicable, and completely beneath us, but I like it on so many levels.

 

[Tonio]

Originally posted by vraiblonde
You can't "refuse to let" killers kill. You can only refuse to let them get away with it (which is what we're doing - not letting them get away with it).

I agree with you 100%, and that was what I was trying to say. Of course we don't let the killers get away with it. Is it wishful thinking to want no one in those countries to even think of attacking America?

 

[arabianpony]

Originally posted by Leftrudder
I'm not preaching. What I was trying to do is explain that we have stated in writing, that we will not abuse POWs or civilians that are detained while there is a conflict. The US is viewed as the bad guys in the Middle East. To NOT discipline people who have violated the agreed upon rules, only makes us look worse in the eyes of those folks.
I have no love for them, nor do Iwant to see our troops and/or civilians mutilated and put on display.
Bottom line: we're better than that.

I have to agree with Rudder here. It is easy to get caught up in revenge, that is what breeds hate. We are not there to become part of the conflict. We are there to end it.

 

[vraiblonde]

Originally posted by Tonio
Is it wishful thinking to want no one in those countries to even think of attacking America?

Yes.

 

[vraiblonde]

Originally posted by arabianpony
We are not there to become part of the conflict. We are there to end it.

Apparently what the "torture" was all about was getting POWs to tell where their buddies are and where they've planted their IEDs. The one guy said that they "had a very high rate with our styles of getting them to talk. They ended up breaking within hours."

Sweating these scumbags like this probably saved a few American lives. So I'm not going to be shedding any tears over Iraqi POWs any time soon.

 

[arabianpony]

Originally posted by Tonio
I agree with you 100%, and that was what I was trying to say. Of course we don't let the killers get away with it. Is it wishful thinking to want no one in those countries to even think of attacking America?

It is wishful thinking to want no one in THIS country to ever think of attacking Americans. There is brutality in all nations. Individuals, albeit LOTS of individuals that are blood thirsty animals just looking for an excuse to act on thier animalistic impulses. Honor is the strong protecting the weak, not turning a blind eye because we might get hurt.

 

[arabianpony]

Originally posted by vraiblonde
Apparently what the "torture" was all about was getting POWs to tell where their buddies are and where they've planted their IEDs. The one guy said that they "had a very high rate with our styles of getting them to talk. They ended up breaking within hours."

Sweating these scumbags like this probably saved a few American lives. So I'm not going to be shedding any tears over Iraqi POWs any time soon.

War is ugly and brutal. When the press brings such unfamiliar imiages into our lives, we are shocked.
But WE are not soldiers. We do not have to listen to bombs as we fall asleep. It affects behavior, they DO become more animalistic to be able to survive that type of environment. But they should not totaly give into it.
However, I do agree with you that alittle humiliation is a joke compared to what our troops have suffered.
Bottom line, it shouldn't have been publisized for americans that can't stomach it.

 

[vraiblonde]

Originally posted by arabianpony
Honor is the strong protecting the weak, not turning a blind eye because we might get hurt.

 

[willie]

The U.S. MP's should be severely punished for taking pictures.

 

[vraiblonde]

Originally posted by Toxick
Just like I don't consider rampaging freaks like Pat Buchanan or Jerry Fallwell to be spokespersons for the conservative side.

Just curious - what's so rampaging and freakish about Buchanan? Fallwell can be somewhat of a nut, but why Buchanan? To me, Michael Savage is the poster boy for "Rampaging Nutty Conservatives" and Rush Limbaugh isn't too far behind him. But I tend to agree with Buchanan on a lot of his views.

 

[vraiblonde]

Originally posted by Hessian
End of demonstrations near US sabotage sites.
US offers burn medicine in exchange for weapons/for information.

If we weren't such a bunch of wimps, that's exactly what we'd do. You know who could run a war? Harry Truman. Man, I wish he were still around.

 

[Tonio]

I talked to someone this weekend who called for the US soldiers to be court-martialed, because "you don't treat humans that way." And this person is a diehard conservative who, during the Lewinsky-era impeachment, practically wanted Bill Clinton to be dragged out of the Oval Office in chains.

On issues like this, it's tempting to assume that liberals believe in eating flowers and kissing babies, while conservatives believe in kissing flowers and eating babies.

 

[vraiblonde]

Originally posted by Tonio
On issues like this, it's tempting to assume that liberals believe in eating flowers and kissing babies, while conservatives believe in kissing flowers and eating babies.

The whole thing is bullsh*t and I just wrote the Prez to tell him so.

These POWs, just days earlier, were shooting at our sons and daughters, planting bombs and trying desperately to kill them. Just a week or so ago, they burned up US soldiers, dismembered them and hung their bodies out for display. If being made to strip is your idea of torture, then you and President WimpAss should get a room.

Now these idiots are trying to say that stripping in a POW camp is MUCH worse than being eletrocuted and beaten in one of Saddam's torture chambers. And the Leftists in this country will eat this crap up, no matter how much BS it is.

 

[Tonio]

Originally posted by vraiblonde
Just curious - what's so rampaging and freakish about Buchanan? Fallwell can be somewhat of a nut, but why Buchanan? To me, Michael Savage is the poster boy for "Rampaging Nutty Conservatives" and Rush Limbaugh isn't too far behind him. But I tend to agree with Buchanan on a lot of his views.

When AIDS first hit the national consciousness, Buchanan was one of those claiming that the disease was God's punishment on homosexuals. And for what it's worth, the ADL has frequently cited Buchanan for talking about the sinister power of "the Jewish lobby" supposedly dictating US policy toward Israel.

 

[Tonio]

Originally posted by vraiblonde
The whole thing is bullsh*t and I just wrote the Prez to tell him so.

These POWs, just days earlier, were shooting at our sons and daughters, planting bombs and trying desperately to kill them. Just a week or so ago, they burned up US soldiers, dismembered them and hung their bodies out for display. If being made to strip is your idea of torture, then you and President WimpAss should get a room.

Now these idiots are trying to say that stripping in a POW camp is MUCH worse than being eletrocuted and beaten in one of Saddam's torture chambers. And the Leftists in this country will eat this crap up, no matter how much BS it is.

I get your point. I was trying to be funny. The stereotype of liberals is that their solution to terrorism is to give Bin Laden a hug to make him feel better. And the stereotype of conservatives is that their solution to terrorism is to slaughter all Muslims. Again, Naturally, each stereotype is being peddled by the other side, to make themselves look reasonable and to make their opponents look like lunatics.

 

[vraiblonde]

Originally posted by Tonio
When AIDS first hit the national consciousness, Buchanan was one of those claiming that the disease was God's punishment on homosexuals.

Are you sure? That doesn't really sound like Buchanan - sounds like Jerry Fallwell and Pat Robertson, but not Buchanan.

And for what it's worth, the ADL has frequently cited Buchanan for talking about the sinister power of "the Jewish lobby" supposedly dictating US policy toward Israel.

The ADL is no different than the NAACP - a lobbyist group that will do anything and embellish any story in order to further it's goals. What are it's goals? Why, getting money and power, of course - that's all lobbyists ever want.

And, hello - the Jewish lobby DOES influence US policy toward Israel.

 

[Tonio]

Originally posted by vraiblonde
And, hello - the Jewish lobby DOES influence US policy toward Israel.

Oh, of course it does. The ADL was saying that Buchanan was taking it a step further, that he was invoking the myth of cabalistic Jews controlling everything in secret. I have older relatives who believe crap like that.

 

[Warron]

Originally posted by vraiblonde
US troops have taken to humiliation tactics with POWs

I'm just curious what your source is that those involved in this case are POW's or were even in prison for acts of violence against the US?

From what I've real Abu Ghraib prison holds considerably more common criminals and random detainees (those detained randomly at checkpoints and after random house entries) then anyone who would be classified as a POW.

 

[vraiblonde]

Originally posted by Warron
I'm just curious what your source is that those involved in this case are POW's or were even in prison for acts of violence against the US?

They could be common criminals - I could care less. However:

http://www.globalsecurity.org/intell/world/iraq/abu-ghurayb-prison.htm

When Saddam was in power, prisoners at Abu Ghurayb were being executed and tortured left and right and nobody said a word about it. Now some US soldiers pull their pants down and everyone cries like it's the end of the world.

 

[vraiblonde]

Plus I have no doubt that, if these guys were in for shoplifting, CNN would be broadcasting it every second of every day. So I'm POSITIVE these are enemy combatants.