Tortured Iraqis

[Christy]

Originally posted by vraiblonde
The whole thing is bullsh*t and I just wrote the Prez to tell him so.

These POWs, just days earlier, were shooting at our sons and daughters, planting bombs and trying desperately to kill them. Just a week or so ago, they burned up US soldiers, dismembered them and hung their bodies out for display. If being made to strip is your idea of torture, then you and President WimpAss should get a room.

Now these idiots are trying to say that stripping in a POW camp is MUCH worse than being eletrocuted and beaten in one of Saddam's torture chambers. And the Leftists in this country will eat this crap up, no matter how much BS it is.

Okay, here's my take on the whole thing after seeing some of the pics. I know this is going to sound nutty, but I have no problem with torture, mock torture etc... That is a means to an end IHMO. The sexual stuff is just weird. Stripping naked, fine, that's common practice humiliation tactics, but to do the whole "pornish" posing and whatnot is just disturbing to me.

 

[Larry Gude]

Madame Torquevraimada...

...I'm with left rudder.

Bottom line: we're better than that.

 

[vraiblonde]

Originally posted by Larry Gude
Bottom line: we're better than that.

Yeah, being "better than that" is sure gonna win this war, let me tell you. I'm sure when the terrorists see that we're "better than that", why, I'll bet they'll throw down their weapons and hold hands with us while we sing "Everything is Beautiful".

 

[Christy]

Originally posted by vraiblonde
Now some US soldiers pull their pants down and everyone cries like it's the end of the world.

Did you happen to see ALL 14 pics? I'm not crying a river for the Iraqi prisoners, I'm just incredibly disturbed by the sheer delight these soldiers (male and female) took in the whole sexual aspect of it. It's just foul and I hope none of these people ever live by me or my family.

When you have people who do stupid stunts like this, for no other purpose than their own entertainment, it makes it much harder on our soldiers that are having to use some form of mental torture to save lives, as in the case of the fellow who shot off a few rounds near a prisoner's head to gain information on an ambush. :shrug: JMHO

 

[SmallTown]

Originally posted by vraiblonde

When Saddam was in power, prisoners at Abu Ghurayb were being executed and tortured left and right and nobody said a word about it. Now some US soldiers pull their pants down and everyone cries like it's the end of the world.

One of the reasons we went in (supposedly) was to stop such behavior, not to keep it going.

 

[Toxick]

Originally posted by vraiblonde
Just curious - what's so rampaging and freakish about Buchanan? Fallwell can be somewhat of a nut, but why Buchanan? To me, Michael Savage is the poster boy for "Rampaging Nutty Conservatives" and Rush Limbaugh isn't too far behind him. But I tend to agree with Buchanan on a lot of his views.

Well, I have to admit that I agree with Buchanan from time to time myself. He's pro-life, he's anti-gun control, so - maybe Buchanan was not a good example of a "rampaging freak"

On the other hand, he's an isolationist, almost to the point of xenophobia - if not flat out xenophobic. Plus I have problems with someone who says that Adolf Hitler was "a man of great courage."

Besides, he just rubs me the wrong way. I have the distinct feeling that if I was trapped in a room with him, I'd be banging what's left of my head to a bloody pulp against the wall within the hour.




But that's a personal problem.

So Savage may be a better example of a rampaging freak, but Buchanan popped into my head first as I was typing.

 

[vraiblonde]

Originally posted by SmallTown
One of the reasons we went in (supposedly) was to stop such behavior, not to keep it going.

Wake me up when US soldiers start feeding Iraqis into the wood chipper.

 

[Tonio]

Originally posted by Christy
Did you happen to see ALL 14 pics? I'm not crying a river for the Iraqi prisoners, I'm just incredibly disturbed by the sheer delight these soldiers (male and female) took in the whole sexual aspect of it. It's just foul and I hope none of these people ever live by me or my family.

When you have people who do stupid stunts like this, for no other purpose than their own entertainment, it makes it much harder on our soldiers that are having to use some form of mental torture to save lives, as in the case of the fellow who shot off a few rounds near a prisoner's head to gain information on an ambush. :shrug: JMHO

Christy, I hope you're not saying that it's not OK for our troops to get pizzed at how Americans were treated in Fallujah. I don't think you are, but I feel like the rest of world thinks we're supposed to just swallow our anger when our citizens are tortured and killed. The hell with that.

 

[vraiblonde]

Originally posted by Christy
Did you happen to see ALL 14 pics?

Yep, and now I'd like to know "the REST of the story". When those pics of British troops "mistreating" POWs came out, hot on their heels was statements by other soldiers saying they had to have been faked because equipment "shown" in the photos was either obsolete or not present in Iraq.

So I'm not 100% certain that these photos weren't doctored in some way either. And I'll definitely give the benefit of the doubt to US soldiers before I'll give it to some friggin' terrorist.

How did the press come by these photos anyway? Anyone know?

 

[Larry Gude]

Oh...I see...

why, I'll bet they'll throw down their weapons and hold hands with us while we sing "Everything is Beautiful".

...what we've missed in all this war stuff, all this invade Iraq and change the regime thing was that they LIKED it the way it was before and they had NO desire to be like us or act like us or look up to us or anything, yes?

So, there is no mass desire in Iraq for self determination based on US style Constitution and rule of law protecting the individual and THAT is why we're having trouble; we're no better than them therefore love the devil you know, as far as they are concerned?

Let me say this again; the murder rate in the US is TWICE as high as the US combat death rate in this nation that, some say, doesn't want us there?

Rubbish. The good in Iraq initiated by the US so far outweighs the bad FOR Iraqi's it isn't even close.

Hell, we got way more malcontents here at home who REALLY hate the US than they do. We should export some.

We got people who could (and are btw) give them lessons on how to thwart the US.

 

[Penn]

My biggest complaint about the whole damn deal was that- one: some idiot had to take pictures of the event, and two, another idiot saw fit to get 14(?) pictures to the news media.

I have to agree with vrai that while the sessions the Iraqi prisoners spent with our interogators may have been "unpleasant", they were not however, shot, beat up, sliced up, dismembered, burned or dragged through the streets in front of cheering mobs.

I also agree with Christy that the fools/weirdos taking those photos should live in a different community than I do.

And in a abstract way, it chimes in with what Leftrudder speaks about, at least never let 'em know about the methods you use to extract information from guys like these!

It's against the Geneva Convention! Shhhesh!! Ya dummy!

 

[Christy]

Originally posted by Tonio
Christy, I hope you're not saying that it's not OK for our troops to get pizzed at how Americans were treated in Fallujah. I don't think you are, but I feel like the rest of world thinks we're supposed to just swallow our anger when our citizens are tortured and killed. The hell with that.

I think you all are missing my point. I would PREFER we be pizzed and beat the bloody snot out of them, hook them up to jumper cables and juice them up until they've gone retarded. I simply cannot understand the whole sexual nature of the photos, and how doing such a thing would part of releasing one's anger. :shrug: It just creeps me out to be quite honest.

 

[Christy]

Originally posted by vraiblonde
Wake me up when US soldiers start feeding Iraqis into the wood chipper.

See, gimme a wood chipper anyday. That would serve a purpose, they'd be ratting each other out left and right if you stuck one, JUST ONE through a chipper. I just find it terribly creepy that anyone would want to stand around and watch these guys masturbate. It's just foul.

 

[Tonio]

Originally posted by Christy
I simply cannot understand the whole sexual nature of the photos, and how doing such a thing would part of releasing one's anger. :shrug: It just creeps me out to be quite honest.

I can understand your feelings, but I don't see a difference between sexual torture and nonsexual torture. Anyone who tries to torture and kill Americans deserves no human dignity.

 

[vraiblonde]

Originally posted by Christy
I just find it terribly creepy that anyone would want to stand around and watch these guys masturbate.

MTV generation - what can I tell ya? :shrug:

 

[Larry Gude]

You know...

...you two outhta start your own country; call it Christavrainia or something; the land you can visit but you can never leave, least not with all your body parts.

Commit murder: Summary exectuion
Jay walking: You rot in a cage on London Bridge. That'll teach yah.
Littering: You're mulch. Shouldn't oughta had broke the rules.
Bad meld bid: Forgettaboudit.

I swear, you two, neither one of you, have much use for history books and how and why dictatorships FAIL.

Napolean complex? Control issues? Bloodlust?

Y'all some mean #####es. Who would kill the other first and why?

 

[Christy]

Re: You know...

Originally posted by Larry Gude
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I swear, you two, neither one of you, have much use for history books and how and why dictatorships FAIL.

Napolean complex? Control issues? Bloodlust?

Y'all some mean #####es. Who would kill the other first and why? [/B]

I'd never kill Vrai, I loves her! Just so long as she keeps her slow azz in the right lane

I know my history TYVM, and we'd be good dictators. Just don't be an idiot and we will let you live another day. How's that for simple?

 

[vraiblonde]

Originally posted by Larry Gude
Commit murder: Summary exectuion
Jay walking: You rot in a cage on London Bridge. That'll teach yah.
Littering: You're mulch. Shouldn't oughta had broke the rules.
Bad meld bid: Forgettaboudit.

Quit being retarded. Just because you want to weep big ol' tears over some loser who, a week before, had an AK in his hands and was gleefully using it to pick off US troops doesn't mean I have to.

These poor widdle POWs probably looked a lot tougher a few weeks ago when they were in uniform and shooting at our kids. The press should show THOSE pics.

 

[vraiblonde]

Originally posted by Larry Gude
Who would kill the other first and why?

And I'd never kill Christy because she's not an idiot.

 

[Larry Gude]

Wonderful...

...and of course there will be a board, say of, oh, two people, in this land of plenty (plenty of huge pits for dead idiots) who get to decide who is an idiot and who is not, yes?

And of course EVERYONE will be overjoyed knowing that they made it through another day, humble and grateful to merely be alive because Big Sisters (aka 'BS') judged them 'non-idiot'. For now.

Somehow I see a very quiet place. A place with very few people. A place where the judges, the jurors and the executioners, both of them, also dump the trash, fix the soda machine, grow the tobacco and figure out how to get the fire into the lighter WITHOUT getting blow'd up all because they both had a bad day...on the same day.

And of course, you know how to brew beer as well, yes? What if Sam Adams is an idiot that just happens to be good at ONE thing???

WELL???