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Fani Willis' response when asked about 'fictitious' Trump indictment posted earlier says SO MUCH (watch)



Remember when Ketanji Brown Jackson was asked to define a woman and she said she wasn't a biologist so she couldn't really do that? We're sort of getting a similar vibe from Fani Willis' response when asked about the suspicious posting of the indictment online before the grand jury was even done hearing testimony.


Watch this:






She looks down, she looks away, and she acts like it's beneath her to answer the question as she can't possibly know about a clerk's duties.

Imagine working for this woman. Yikes.

Oh, and gosh, surely it was a coincidence that this fictitious document posted BEFORE the grand jury wrapped up matched the actual indictments. This whole thing stinks.






 

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INGSOC
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From Jonathan Turley:

Thus far, the focus has been on the controversial call that Trump had with Georgia officials — a call widely cited as indisputable evidence of an effort at voting fraud. Yet, the call was similar to a settlement discussion, as state officials and the Trump team hashed out their differences and a Trump demand for a statewide recount. Trump had lost the state by less than 12,000 votes. That might be what he meant when he stated, “I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have because we won the state.”
While others have portrayed the statement as a raw call for fabricating the votes, it seems more likely that Trump was swatting back claims that there was no value to a statewide recount by pointing out that he wouldn’t have to find a statistically high number of votes to change the outcome of the election. It is telling that many politicians and pundits refuse to even acknowledge that obvious alternate meaning.












 

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From Jonathan Turley:

Thus far, the focus has been on the controversial call that Trump had with Georgia officials — a call widely cited as indisputable evidence of an effort at voting fraud. Yet, the call was similar to a settlement discussion, as state officials and the Trump team hashed out their differences and a Trump demand for a statewide recount. Trump had lost the state by less than 12,000 votes. That might be what he meant when he stated, “I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have because we won the state.”
While others have portrayed the statement as a raw call for fabricating the votes, it seems more likely that Trump was swatting back claims that there was no value to a statewide recount by pointing out that he wouldn’t have to find a statistically high number of votes to change the outcome of the election. It is telling that many politicians and pundits refuse to even acknowledge that obvious alternate meaning.
Occam's razor and all of that.
 

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INGSOC
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The Level of Pretending Needed to Believe This Is Jaw Dropping​


August 15, 2023 | Sundance | 262 Comments

The Fulton County clerk of courts is putting out the third public statement trying to explain and justify why they posted the grand jury indictment of Donald Trump before the grand jury had even met to vote on the indictment. This latest explanation is so incredulous it’s almost impossible to believe they are making this public:



According to the story above, the original indictment before the jury met, was a trial run upload, made of a totally fictious construct, with totally random charges, that just happened to line up with the exact same charges, in the exact same sequence, as the indictment after the jury voted. …
Yeah, when you are trying to get out of a hole this deep, it’s best to stop digging.

I wonder if Suspicious Cat believes the clerk?
 

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INGSOC
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Democrats Denied Election Results 150+ Times Before Trump Was Indicted for Challenging Election



Although a Georgia grand jury indicted former President Donald Trump on Monday for challenging the 2020 election result, Democrats have refused to accept the results of elections they lost for decades.

As Breitbart News reported, more than 150 examples show Democrats denying election results, including President Joe Biden; two-time failed presidential candidate Hillary Clinton; House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries (D-NY); Reps. Barbara Lee (D-CA), Maxine Waters (D-CA), and Sheila Jackson Lee (D-TX); and failed Georgia gubernatorial candidate Stacey Abrams.







In fact, every single Democrat president since 1977 has questioned the legitimacy of U.S. elections, according to the Republican National Committee. In both 2013 and 2016, Biden claimed that Al Gore won the 2000 presidential election. In May 2019, Biden said he “absolutely agrees” that Trump was an “illegitimate president.” Biden cast doubt on the legitimacy of the 2022 midterms this year.

In 2006, then-DNC Chairman Howard Dean stated that he was “not confident that the [2004] election in Ohio was fairly decided.” Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) said it is “appropriate” to have a debate concerning the 2004 election and claimed that there were “legitimate concerns” regarding the “integrity” of U.S. elections. Then-Rep. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) cast doubt on the security of electronic voting machines in the 2004 election, saying he was “worried” that some machines do not have a paper trail.

Democrats also cast doubt on the 2016 election. Seven House Democrats tried to object to the 2016 election electoral votes. After President Trump’s victory in 2016, 67 Democrats boycotted his inauguration, with some claiming Trump’s victory was not legitimate.

In September 2017, Hillary Clinton said she would not “rule out” questioning the legitimacy of the 2016 election. In October 2020, she added that the 2016 presidential election was not conducted legitimately, saying, “We still don’t really know what happened.”

In addition, Democrats supported Stacey Abrams in her stolen election claims. Hillary Clinton said Stacey Abrams “would have won” Georgia’s gubernatorial race “if she had a fair election” and that Stacey Abramsshould be governor” but was “deprived of the votes [she] otherwise would have gotten.”
Sen. Cory Booker (D-NJ) said, “I think that Stacey Abrams’s election is being stolen from her.” Sen. Sherrod Brown (D-OH) contended that “if Stacey Abrams doesn’t win in Georgia, they stole it.” Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-MA) said, “the evidence seems to suggest” the race was stolen from Stacey Abrams.
 

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I READ THE GEORGIA INDICTMENT, SO YOU DON’T HAVE TO


The Georgia indictment relates to Donald Trump’s (and 18 other defendants’) post-election efforts to reverse the apparent result of the 2020 election, in Georgia and elsewhere. That Trump made such attempts is not disputed. The question is, what did he do that was illegal?
The indictment alleges a vast conspiracy, supported by 161 “overt acts,” that ultimately comprises Count I, a violation of Georgia’s RICO statute. The problem is that, with two exceptions, the “overt acts” are all legal. You can’t aggregate a series of legal acts and make them a crime by calling them a conspiracy.

The indictment alleges that Trump and his co-conspirators made a number of false statements, starting with Overt Act 1:

On or about the 4th day of November, 2020, DONALD JOHN TRUMP made a nationally televised speech falsely declaring victory in the 2020 presidential election. Approximately four days earlier, on or about October 31, 2020, DONALD JOHN TRUMP discussed a draft speech with unindicted co-conspirator Individual 1, whose identity is known to the Grand Jury, that falsely declared victory and falsely claimed voter fraud. The speech was an overt act in furtherance of the conspiracy.

The indictment sets out in detail statements that were made by the defendants about voter fraud in Georgia and other states, all of which are alleged to be false. Of course, in the wake of the election, there were many claims of voter fraud. Some of these proved to be true, I think, while others proved to be incorrect. But so what? It is not, in general, a crime to make false statements. If it were, Washington would be a ghost town.
The second main thrust of the indictment involves the fact that Trump and his “co-conspirators” arranged for an alternate slate of pro-Trump electors to be identified in Georgia. The indictment recites efforts by Trump and others to convince officials in Georgia and other states to certify his alternate slates, or otherwise to reverse the apparent results of the election in a particular state. These alternate electors were selected, as White House adviser Stephen Miller explained, to preserve Trump’s rights in the event that one or more of his legal challenges succeeded:

“As we speak, today, an alternate slate of electors in the contested states is going to vote and we’re going to send those results up to Congress,” he continued. “This will ensure that all of our legal remedies remain open. That means that if we win these cases in the courts, that we can direct that the alternate state of electors be certified.”

I don’t think that such alternate elector slates are unprecedented, and in any event there is nothing illegal about identifying such would-be electors, however futile it might be.

The indictment recites, with much repetition, the fact that Trump and his allies tried to persuade government officials in Georgia and other states to take actions that could result in the apparent election results being reversed. All of those efforts failed, culminating with the unsuccessful effort to convince Vice President Mike Pence that he had legal authority to exercise discretion in recognizing states’ electors in the event of a dispute.
“Overt Act 6” is a typical example of these allegations:

On or about the 21st day of November, 2020, MARK RANDALL MEADOWS sent a text message to United States Representative Scott Perry from Pennsylvania and stated, “Can you send me the number for the Speaker and the leader of PA legislature. POTUS wants to chat with them.” This was an overt act in furtherance of the conspiracy.

But again, so what? Taking legal steps to try to overturn the apparent result of an election is not illegal. That is what Al Gore did. It is what Stacey Abrams did. It is how Al Franken got into the Senate. In Trump’s case, his legal arguments were uniformly weak. But it is not a crime to make a bad legal argument. If it were, the U.S. would be suffering from a shortage of lawyers.
 

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Former Trump White House Chief Of Staff Mark Meadows Seeks Removal Of Fulton County Case To Federal Court



Former Trump White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows filed in the Northern District of Georgia to move his charges listed in the ex-president’s fourth indictment to a federal court, where he reportedly plans to ask a judge to dismiss his case under federal law.

“Mr. Meadows is entitled to remove this action to federal court because the charges against him plausibly give rise to a federal defense based on his role at all relevant times as the White House Chief of Staff to the President of the United States,” attorneys for Meadows wrote in the 14-page filing on Tuesday.

Meadows is one of 18 co-defendants named in former President Donald Trump’s Fulton County, Georgia, indictment following a criminal investigation into Trump’s alleged efforts to overturn the state’s 2020 presidential election results.
 

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Lawyers as Co-Conspirators? Seriously?​

By naming as alleged co-conspirators the lawyers who were representing Trump and providing him with advice and counsel in the legal actions that were in the state and before legislators during public hearings and in private conversations, Willis is also attacking the fundamental way that our justice system works, in which lawyers are tasked with vigorously pursuing the interests of their clients.

Under the crazy legal theories being pushed in her indictment, every lawyer in Georgia who represents a defendant and makes statements that turn out to be wrong or legal arguments that are ultimately rejected could be accused of conspiring with his or her client to commit a crime.

In other words, they could be charged with a crime for doing what the professional code of conduct tells the lawyer he is supposed to do; namely, represent the interests of his client to the best of his abilities.

The 98-page indictment contains 41 counts, all of which are centered around Georgia’s “RICO” statute— the Racketeer-Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act—and it includes “co-conspirators,” among them Trump’s former chief of staff, Mark Meadows; and Trump’s former lawyers, among them Rudy Giuliani.

This is a statute that was designed to go after mob operations and the kinds of criminal conspiracies run by dangerous drug cartels, not candidates contesting an election outcome.

Speech on TV an ‘Illegal’ Act? Seriously?​

The first “illegal” act listed is Trump on Nov. 4, 2020, making a “nationally televised speech falsely declaring victory in the 2020 presidential election.” She makes similar ridiculous claims against other defendants, such as Giuliani, for example, because he “appeared at a press conference at the Republican National Committee Headquarters” making similar “false statements concerning fraud” in the 2020 election.

Willis even laughably lists as part of the unlawful conspiracy many public tweets by Trump, such as one on Dec. 3, 2020, and another on Dec. 30, urging the public to watch the live coverage of the Georgia legislature’s hearings on the 2020 election. Or another tweet on Dec. 30 thanking the Georgia legislature “for today’s revealing meeting!” that Trump said uncovered “Massive VOTER FRAUD.”

Under that bizarre notion, would the legislators who participated in those hearings, listened attentively, and considered the allegations that had been raised be unindicted co-conspirators? That is how nutty Willis’ claims are—claims that are a direct attack on political speech.

Willis should have received a failing grade in constitutional law in law school since Trump’s speech and all of the other public and private statements made by Giuliani and the other political targets of her indictment—sorry, I mean defendants—were fully within their rights under the First Amendment to engage in “freedom of speech” and voice their complaints, concerns, and grievances about the election—even if those turned out to be wrong.

Even special counsel Jack Smith acknowledged in the federal indictment that was returned a couple of weeks ago that “[t]he Defendant had a right, like every American, to speak publicly about the election and even to claim, falsely, that there had been outcome-determinative fraud during the election and that he had won. He was also entitled to formally challenge the results of the election through lawful and appropriate means, such as by seeking recounts or audits of the popular vote in states or filing lawsuits challenging ballots and procedures.”

Apparently, Willis doesn’t agree.

If It Was Illegal, Why Wasn’t Abrams Charged?​

Whether or not Trump or Giuliani or anyone else was right or wrong about what happened in that election is irrelevant.

They had every right to make that claim then, and every right to make that claim today, the same way that Democrat Stacey Abrams had every right to make the identical claim about her two runs for governor in Georgia.

She was clearly wrong, and Republican Brian Kemp is the validly elected governor of the state. But the fact that she and her supporters and allies are wrong doesn’t make them part of some grand criminal conspiracy to overturn an election.

But then, Abrams is a Democrat like Willis, so I am sure the thought of targeting Abrams with similar charges never occurred to Willis.

The indictment recites other acts that Willis claims were in furtherance of the conspiracy and intended to interfere with the election results that involved various defendants, such Giuliani and Meadows contacting state legislators as well as members of Congress to persuade them to take action to correct what they viewed as a stolen election.

Texting for Phone Numbers Illegal? Seriously?​

That included the supposedly illegal action of Meadows, listed as Act 8, of texting a message to Rep. Scott Perry, R-Pa., asking him for “the number for the speaker and the leader of PA Legislature” because “POTUS wants to chat with them.”

No, really: That is listed as a criminal violation of the law!

Keep in mind that the First Amendment’s free speech provision protects the right of Trump, Meadows, Giuliani, and others to speak to state legislators about any subject and any claims—even if those claims, for example, turn out not to be true.

But another portion of the First Amendment protects their actions as well.

An often overlooked part of the First Amendment is the right of all Americans to “petition the Government for a redress of grievances.” Trump certainly had a grievance: He believed (and still believes) the election was stolen from him because illegal votes were counted and the votes of some legal voters were not. Trying to persuade state officials to correct that is fully within that protected right under the First Amendment.

Moreover, to the extent that Willis is trying to indict Trump for such actions while he was president, he has a very strong argument that any actions he took as president after November 2020 and before Jan. 20, 2021, including with state and local legislators and officials, were within the ambit of his official actions as president, and presidential immunity applies.

It may also apply to subordinates within the executive branch, like former Justice Department lawyer Jeff Clark, who is a named defendant.

18 Attorneys General Conspired? Seriously?​

The Supreme Court refused to allow the case to go forward, but Willis is essentially saying that the attorneys general of 18 states were engaging in a conspiracy under her state’s RICO law to try to “unlawfully change the outcome of the election in favor of Trump” by supporting such claims, including in Georgia.

That is just how odious this indictment is and how wrong her claim is that all of the defendants in this case “knew” that the claims they were making about the problems and irregularities in the Georgia election were false.

The claims made against the lawyers in the case, such as Ray Smith (an outstanding, ethical, highly professional lawyer I’ve known for 30 years), are especially obnoxious and a blatant attack on the way our justice system operates. He supposedly engaged in a criminal violation of the law by presenting the claims of his client to state legislators at the legislative hearings investigating the election and by participating in efforts to provide a contingent, alternative slate of Trump electors that could be used by those legislators if they determined that the claims about the invalidity of the election were correct.














 

GURPS

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🔥 The dominating media story yesterday continued to be President Trump, for plenty of good reasons. I’ll tee up today’s analysis with an article from The Federalist, a mainstream, pro-Constitution conservative organization, which has a solid reputation allowing it to serve as the source of judicial recommendations for Presidents (like Trump) and Governors (like DeSantis) without much political controversy.

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Specifically, here’s what Representative Buck said:

"I think ultimately what we as Republicans need to do if we're going to win the White House in November of 2024 is to talk about the issues that Americans care about and try to get away from the Trump indictments and the scandalous nature of the accusations surrounding this president.”

That right there is a profound failure to read the room. Who does Representative Buck think he’s speaking to? Democrats? I question whether Buck actually has any political skills and how he got elected. But either way, let’s label Buck’s baffling suggestion as the position of the the ever-shrinking “GOP establishment” (which I think is a misnomer but that’s for a different post).

Having framed the establishment’s position, here’s the complete headline from the Federalist’s article, including the answer: “How Should Republicans Respond To Fulton County? Indict the Left.” The sub-headline added, “When politicians are tempted to prosecute their enemies for political reasons, they must fear the same thing happening to them.”

Indicting the left is a far cry from ignoring President Trump’s “legal troubles.” But … is it only Charlie Kirk and a permissive editor at the Federalist who feel that way?

Outside the WASPy corridors of establishment power, conservatives seem to realize that President Trump’s legal troubles are actually everyone’s legal troubles. Charlie Kirk was not the only one yesterday advocating for an aggressive, “strike back now” policy. Here’s Uncover DC’s Tracy Beanz:

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And with the same idea, here is Darren Beattie of Revolver News:

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Dinesh D’Souza, of 2000 Mules fame, called the Fulton County indictment the greatest Constitutional Crisis since the Civil War:

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There’s more. I’m not sure I agree with tit-for-tat prosecutions, mainly because the whole setup feels so much like a planned Hegelian dialectic, where the left’s real objective is to make the right respond a certain way.

But I’m not saying I disagree, either.

As we say in the South, the establishment’s notion of “ignoring” Trump’s “legal problems” is crazier than a sprayed roach. Even if you aren’t a full-throated MAGA patriot, you can see that Trump was only one of nineteen conservatives targeted in the indictment. How about the other eighteen people? Should we ignore them too? And how about all the Michigan alternate electors who now face criminal prosecution for signing a piece of political paper?

Former lefty Constitutional scholar Alan Dershowitz told OAN yesterday that “every election lawyer should be trembling after the fourth Trump Indictment”:

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Dershowitz called the indictment, “very very dangerous” because of the signal it sends to election lawyers: if you’re wrong, the other political party is coming after you.

It isn’t a new problem. Here’s a fun fact for you. Since I was dragged into the freedom litigation space, I’ve been hired for five election cases. Of the four that we won, even though I was just the lawyer, I was personally sued in two of those cases. That’s half. One has been dismissed, and the other case is still rolling along on appeal at the 11th Circuit (one of my co-defendants is Governor DeSantis).

Those are civil cases, and my insurance company has been terrific about helping fund my defense. But alleged criminal liability is uninsurable, and therefore unaffordable.

Trump’s former Assistant Secretary of HHS, Michael Caputo, tweeted yesterday that he’d spent over $300,000 dollars on lawyers after he was named as a witness in the Russiagate prosecution:

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I don’t doubt it was that expensive. Last year, I represented a high-profile target of the House January 6th investigation, who (so far) has not been criminally referred, but it could still happen. My client paid me to help keep them out of the crosshairs. To do that, my client spent a ton of money on lawyers, just for handling their being a witness in that ridiculous political persecution.

Persecution and prosecution are spelled nearly the same.

I didn’t realize this when I wrote yesterday’s post, but among the long list of indicted co-conspirators, most of them Trump’s attorneys, is an attorney that I know well and admire. Back in 2021, Atlanta attorney Ray Smith helped me with a mask case, and since then with some commercial litigation work, and he always struck me as ethical and conservative — not conservative in the political sense, but in his professional demeanor — and I would have guessed he’d be least likely to be hauled into a Trump indictment of anyone I can think of.

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Apparently Ray was hired to help litigate the 2020 election challenges in Georgia. Now he’s facing criminal prosecution — essentially just for being a lawyer. Where is the Georgia Bar Association when lawyers need it? So it’s not just Trump’s “legal issues.” Republicans should be concerned about all the future Republicans who will need to hire attorneys to handle election challenges when they occur.

Good luck finding an attorney now.

Fox’s Laura Ingraham interviewed attorney Sol Wisenberg on this very topic:

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https://x.com/ingrahamangle/status/1691786390223425788
 

GURPS

INGSOC
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🔥 The Fulton County Clerk took the blame for Monday morning’s Trump premature indictment, that was ‘accidentally’ filed into public record and reported on hours before the grand jury had finished deliberating. The Clerk called it a “fictitious indictment.”

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Fulton Clerk of Court Ché Alexander, in red
Here’s yesterday’s headline from the Atlanta Journal-Constitution:

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The Fulton clerk said the prematurely filed indictment was a “sample working document” they used to “test the office’s computer system.” According to Fulton clerk Ché Alexander, her office was just “testing the system … to avoid any glitches when the actual indictment was filed, recognizing it could be a lengthy document to enter in the system.”

I hereby award the Fulton Clerk five Pinnochio’s. It’s not only a lie, it is a moronic lie. The indictment was only 95 pages long. That’s nothing. A typical commercial complaint can run hundreds of pages, and a normal commercial summary judgment motion can easily exceed a thousand pages (with exhibits). Lawyers file massive deposition transcripts all the time.

Give me a break. How did the Clerk get hold of a copy of the indictment on Monday morning to “test” the system in the first place? And why was the Clerk helping the district attorney this way? Clerks don’t run tests before any other lawyers file things.

And, shame on the Atlanta Journal-Constitution for accepting this ridiculous nonsense at face value.

At least Trump and the other defendants aren’t facing very intelligent people. These people may be cunning, but they’re not smart.




 

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INGSOC
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Fulton County Superior Court Judge Scott McAfee will preside over the highly-scrutinized trial of former President Donald Trump and his allies over their actions during the 2020 election, just six months after being appointed to the position by Georgia Governor Brian Kemp.

McAfee, 34, who got his law degree from the University of Georgia, has previously worked for Kemp as the Peach State’s inspector general and worked under Democrat Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis.

Under Willis, McAfee worked with the complex trial division for the Fulton County District Attorney’s office, according to the New York Times. “While with the Fulton County District Attorney’s Office, Judge McAfee started in the complaint room and worked his way up to the major case division where he exclusively handled homicide prosecutions,” McAfee’s 2024 judicial campaign website says

He later became a federal prosecutor in the Northern District of Georgia, where he worked on major drug trafficking investigations. With the feds, McAfee worked under U.S. Attorney Byung Pak, who later exited the position after clashing with Trump over his voter fraud claims.



 
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