UAW launches strike against Big 3 automakers

[glhs837]

Do we believe that company would have just offered the upgrades without Union Represation?
They can always pay an employee more per hour and better perks. But they werent doing that.

Maybe, folks at non-unionized companies get raises also. My point was that the UPS union makes a reasonable ask. A while back, you mentioned the average wage of a UAW worker. I recently saw another, much higher number, the medians. My point being that making demands that will literally bankrupt the company are not productive. Why then would the union do it? Because they understand that the govt will bail them out again and again. Look at the tasks these workers are asked to do. Does the guy placing a seat into the car with the help of a robot arm and putting in four bolts with a powered torque limited wrench really deserve $80 an hour?

https://apnews.com/article/uwa-strike-gm-ford-stellantis-pay-dacdfe9ec0736f4fbf3ce7ee38b4bcf4

At GM, the median worker pay was $80,034 in 2022. It would take that worker 362 years to make Barra’s annual compensation.

At Ford, where the median pay was $74, 691, it would take 281 years.

At Stellantis, with a median pay of 64,328 euros, it would take 365 years, although the company noted its annual report that the disparity includes expenses related to Tavares’ one-time grant. Excluding that, the pay ratio is 298-1.

Show me the task in this video that looks like its worth $80 an hour..... Maybe the lady with the hammer and chisel. That looks to require experience that would take years to gain. I would wonder why that job hasnt been eliminated through process, though

 

[Kyle]

Show me the task in this video that looks like its worth $80 an hour.....

C'mon Man!

It takes a lot of experience to make those things rattle and squeek the way they do.

 

[PrchJrkr]

Unions - for those that can't make it on their own abilities

 

[PeoplesElbow]

I think where a union really does help is in the negations for things like health care and retirement. If it was up to the individual they would all request something "odd". Couple this with the fact that many simply don't understand health care or retirement they absolutely need a group in between to mediate. A large company could offer multiple plans, but a smaller one can't do that efficiently.

 

[black dog]

Maybe, folks at non-unionized companies get raises also. My point was that the UPS union makes a reasonable ask. A while back, you mentioned the average wage of a UAW worker. I recently saw another, much higher number, the medians. My point being that making demands that will literally bankrupt the company are not productive. Why then would the union do it? Because they understand that the govt will bail them out again and again. Look at the tasks these workers are asked to do. Does the guy placing a seat into the car with the help of a robot arm and putting in four bolts with a powered torque limited wrench really deserve $80 an hour?

https://apnews.com/article/uwa-strike-gm-ford-stellantis-pay-dacdfe9ec0736f4fbf3ce7ee38b4bcf4



Show me the task in this video that looks like its worth $80 an hour..... Maybe the lady with the hammer and chisel. That looks to require experience that would take years to gain. I would wonder why that job hasnt been eliminated through process, though

Do you believe that the non union workers would get the compensation just given to them without the Union workers that have a good contract? What would be the incentive for a company that has a renewable resorce for new employees?

So UPS getting a supposed fair contract (to you) with what almost 2 bucks an hour each year for the next five years was easily given by the company.
To you guys is it any different that putting a seat in a truck?
You do know that all new hires at least with GM start at 16 bucks an hour. Third shift.
After a few years they might get a 3 buck raise.
Tradesman still earn good bucks.

 

[black dog]

C'mon Man!

It takes a lot of experience to make those things rattle and squeek the way they do.

Most likely falls back to poor engineering practices.
Just say'in

 

[black dog]

I think where a union really does help is in the negations for things like health care and retirement. If it was up to the individual they would all request something "odd". Couple this with the fact that many simply don't understand health care or retirement they absolutely need a group in between to mediate. A large company could offer multiple plans, but a smaller one can't do that efficiently.

One reality is, a huge portion of workers in this country are to stupid to fill out paperwork to sign up to a company matched 401.
It matters not if one is a HS or a college grad.
Cant say how many times ive heard, I cant afford that 60 bucks a week.

 

[stgislander]

Cant say how many times ive heard, I cant afford that 60 bucks a week.

Especially with that new truck payment.

 

[LightRoasted]

For your consideration ...

Show me the task in this video that looks like its worth $80 an hour.....

Can't find one. Though they didn't show any robotic service/repair technicians. Technicians, which requires must haves such as; troubleshooting skills, schematic reading skills, multiple skills in the use of different types of measuring instruments and the complete understanding of electrical/electronics and hydraulic systems. Betcha those guys are getting at least $65-95 an hour. Or even the maintenance techs for the automated assembly lines. Which I am sure requires constant servicing and maintenance for safety protocols.

 

[glhs837]

For your consideration ...



Can't find one. Though they didn't show any robotic service/repair technicians. Technicians, which requires must haves such as; troubleshooting skills, schematic reading skills, multiple skills in the use of different types of measuring instruments and the complete understanding of electrical/electronics and hydraulic systems. Betcha those guys are getting at least $65-95 an hour. Or even the maintenance techs for the automated assembly lines. Which I am sure requires constant servicing and maintenance for safety protocols.

Yep, and those folks with those skills should get that big money. But the union wants that big money for every scrub on the line too.

 

[black dog]

For your consideration ...



Can't find one. Though they didn't show any robotic service/repair technicians. Technicians, which requires must haves such as; troubleshooting skills, schematic reading skills, multiple skills in the use of different types of measuring instruments and the complete understanding of electrical/electronics and hydraulic systems. Betcha those guys are getting at least $65-95 an hour. Or even the maintenance techs for the automated assembly lines. Which I am sure requires constant servicing and maintenance for safety protocols.

You guys are so funny, the things you think you know.
I would bet all of you all have never even been in a manufacturing or assy plant.

 

[WingsOfGold]

Give them a COLA, top exects a cut and laugh at the 32 hour work week, tell Dementia Joe piss off on the EV bullshiit and be done with it.

 

[glhs837]

You guys are so funny, the things you think you know.
I would bet all of you all have never even been in a manufacturing or assy plant.

About 5 or 6, ranging from Boeings P-8 production lines to a small plant in northern Minnesota where they make specialty valves for life rafts.

 

[PeoplesElbow]

One reality is, a huge portion of workers in this country are to stupid to fill out paperwork to sign up to a company matched 401.
It matters not if one is a HS or a college grad.
Cant say how many times ive heard, I cant afford that 60 bucks a week.

I used to work with an engineer who feels that way. He was a dumbass on so many levels that I had him shipped off to another department.

 

[Kyle]

About 5 or 6, ranging from Boeings P-8 production lines to a small plant in northern Minnesota where they make specialty valves for life rafts.

Did they also make the manual inflation nozzles for the Automatic Pilots?

 

[glhs837]

Did they also make the manual inflation nozzles for the Automatic Pilots?

Only replacements for missing ones.

 

[black dog]

Did they also make the manual inflation nozzles for the Automatic Pilots?

That was the one guy who had to work second shift. Union Rules, only one worker per workbench. But he got the good chair.

 

[black dog]

About 5 or 6, ranging from Boeings P-8 production lines to a small plant in northern Minnesota where they make specialty valves for life rafts.

Ok, Boeings production lines. So what do you think the percentage is on those lines with unskilled labor?
Not unskilled tier 1 - tier 10 suppliers employees, but unskiĺled with final production.

 

[glhs837]

Ok, Boeings production lines. So what do you think the percentage is on those lines with unskilled labor?
Not unskilled tier 1 - tier 10 suppliers employees, but unskiĺled with final production.

People doing jobs that can be performed with a week or so of training? Very few to none. No fabrication here, just assembly, but it requires skills to install things on that level. There isn't anyone there who installs just one simple component over and over.

 

[black dog]

People doing jobs that can be performed with a week or so of training? Very few to none. No fabrication here, just assembly, but it requires skills to install things on that level. There isn't anyone there who installs just one simple component over and over.

Top line worker money is 32.32 an hour in Indiana as I type this. I just spoke to a GM final assy and a GM stamping plant 25-30 year workers. Like I said the newbies start at half of that. Its just not what the world thinks it is.
Skilled Trades Papered Journeymen, a bunch more.
They have been bringing back skilled trade retirees to work they are hurting so bad.
Mold and electricians are in huge demand.