Ukraine / Russia - Actions and Reactions

herb749

Well-Known Member
ooooo....getting more interesting by the minute. Poland sending their MiGs to Ramstein in Germany to be "gift" to US. US/Germany then on the hook to handle the logistics of getting those fully armed and Ukrainian pilots in to action.

Other NATO former-Warsaw counties with MiGs expected to follow suit.

Hang on to your hats.

Quick update: US not acknowledging the deal. Got to give the Poles credit for playing a good game of chess here..

Why do you want to poke someone in the nose that has nukes .?
 

LightRoasted

If I may ...
If I may...

Whoa now!...this could change everything. SoS Blinken said on a public forum that Russia's actions in Ukraine are "shameful".
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Having @Gilligan children there, makes five?
 

GURPS

INGSOC
PREMO Member

Poland's Move on MiGs Pretty Much Shows That Europe Doesn't Really Trust Biden with Anything


Joe Biden declared that America was back when he got elected. There was no underlying reason for the declaration other than ‘I’m a Democrat, and I’m different.’ The world ate it up. The liberals ate it up. Everyone thought the norms, which many have erroneously thought were not followed, would return. The adults were back in charge. That all fell apart in less than a year. Afghanistan showed what many of us already knew about Joe Biden and this administration. They’re appalling at foreign policy. There’s a forty-year track record of Joe Biden being utterly incorrect in this area. The Afghan dash last August finally showed Europe that this guy really isn’t some ace on international affairs. His diminished mental capacity also doesn’t help.

In the aftermath of the Kabul catastrophe, Europe would obviously remain our ally, but these nations had contingency plans for when this administration became a ‘deer in the headlights' again. We might be seeing that with Ukraine. Russia has launched a full-blown invasion. Now, we have signed off on arms packages that are flowing into the nation, but it’s the steps after the initial arms packages are delivered that seem to be posing trouble.



'Surprise move': U.S. stunned by Poland's fighter jet offer


The Polish government stunned Washington on Tuesday by announcing it was ready to transfer its 28 MiG-29 fighter planes to the U.S., with the understanding that they would be handed over to Ukrainian pilots fighting off the Russian invasion.

The move, which came with a request that the U.S. supply Poland with used jets with “corresponding capabilities,” came after a week of back-and-forth negotiations between Washington and Warsaw over transferring the jets to Ukraine, which needs replacement jets to fight off the Russians.

After vociferous denials by Warsaw that it was even considering donating MiGs to Ukraine, the offer arrived completely unexpected.


Clash between Poland and US over MiG-29s reveals tensions in escalating war


Part of the problem was that the Polish proposal was subtly but critically different to a scheme that had previously been discussed in private. Against the backdrop of highly charged diplomatic tensions, presentation matters.

In essence, Poland said it would cooperate in strengthening the Ukrainian air force so long as this would be seen in Moscow as a US, Nato or EU scheme but not a Polish one.

In its original, US-conceived iteration, the proposal was a trilateral deal whereby Poland would hand over the MiGs to Ukrainian pilots to fly into their homeland, and the US would then provide some substitute planes. Boris Johnson, an enthusiast, described the plan as “rent a MiG”.

That proposal, arguably, was not qualitatively different to Nato members providing Ukraine with Javelin anti-tank missiles. In return, Poland would eventually fill the hole in its air force with 28 F-16s being provided by the US.

But under private pressure from the US, Poland felt the plan unduly exposed its citizens to Putin’s ire. So instead, in a game of diplomatic pass the parcel, Poland tweaked the proposals so the planes would be sent free of charge to the US airbase in Ramstein, Germany, rather than being flown out of Poland into Ukraine. The move would literally take Poland out of the line of Russia’s fire since the plan could be labelled as that of the US, Nato or the EU.
 

GURPS

INGSOC
PREMO Member

For cripes sake, stop canceling innocent Russians





It’s stupid to balk at playing the 1812 Overture — a tribute to heroic resistance against an army of conquest — in the name of showing solidarity with Ukraine. But it’s worse than stupid to decline to play it for fear that the philharmonic might be accused of sympathies with Russian warmongering. It’s cowardly.

That’s an underappreciated facet of “cancel culture.” For all the overweening moral outrage exhibited by organizations scrambling to cancel someone, as often as not those organizations are scrambling because they fear being canceled themselves if they fail to act with sufficient alacrity. The Cardiff Philharmonic wasn’t bothered by playing the 1812 Overture, I suspect, they were bothered by the prospect of being perceived as not being bothered by playing the 1812 Overture. They didn’t want anyone in the media or the local community on the lookout for “insensitivity” to make trouble for them so they cashiered the piece and chose to play something else.
 

GURPS

INGSOC
PREMO Member
All these business ending operations in Russia is just teaching Russians The World Hates Them ... driving them to Putin, not pulling them away from him.


Cancel Culture in Over Drive
 

Kyle

Beloved Misanthrope
PREMO Member
One of world's deadliest snipers leaves home in Canada to fight in Ukraine: 'I have to help'


'They were so happy to have us,' the former Canadian soldier said of Ukrainians welcoming him

A former Canadian soldier known as one of the world’s deadliest snipers arrived to Ukraine to help the nation defend itself from Russia.

"I want to help them. It's as simple as that," the Canadian man, only identified as Wali to protect his family’s safety, told CBC. "I have to help because there are people here being bombarded just because they want to be European and not Russian."

Wali is a former sniper with the Royal Canadian 22nd Regiment who previously fought in the Afghanistan War. He has a kill distance of over two miles, according to the Mirror, and is known as one of the world’s most deadly snipers.




 

GURPS

INGSOC
PREMO Member

Coinbase blocks 25,000 Russian-linked accounts and promotes crypto over fiat for sanctions



"When the United States sanctioned a Russian national in 2020, it specifically listed three associated blockchain addresses," it said.

"Through advanced blockchain analysis, we proactively identified over 1,200 additional addresses potentially associated with the sanctioned individual, which we added to our internal blocklist."

Coinbase also claimed that digital assets are able to "naturally deter common approaches to sanctions evasion".

"By transacting through shell companies, incorporating in known tax havens, and leveraging opaque ownership structures, bad actors continue to use fiat currency to obscure the movement of funds," it said.

"In this way, they leave complex financial trails that are difficult to trace, requiring investigators to separately request information from many different financial institutions, and follow a trail across multiple countries."
 

GURPS

INGSOC
PREMO Member

Sanctions on Russia Will Create a Monster


Over the past week, friends in Russia have described to me how storefronts in vibrant shopping districts are being shuttered and there are long queues of people trying to buy goods before they become permanently unavailable. The price of modern necessities like children’s nappies increased threefold in the space of a few days. The sticker price of many other consumer products is no longer the real price when you bring them to the cash register. Police are questioning groups of young people in the subway on suspicion of being part of illegal gatherings. State employees are having their social media accounts scrutinised for evidence of sedition. People with a history of left-wing activism are fleeing the country while they still can, and those who remain behind risk long jail terms.

They say the result will not be what the West hopes for, however. The austerities resulting from sanctions will be felt most acutely by the middle-class metropolitan intelligentsia who represent about 20 per cent of the Russian population, and have become used to Italian shoes, French cheese, and the international news media. The problem for NATO is that most Russians don’t travel abroad and they get their news from state media. As far as they’re concerned, their government is protecting them against NATO’s weapons of mass destruction. Russian Telegram channels are full of stories like the one that says the Ukrainians hurriedly shut down a Pentagon-backed biological weapons program just before the Russian army moved in. These people are not turning against their leader but are closing ranks against the West.

In a Russian-language social media post that has been viewed millions of times across various platforms, writer Alexander Tsypkin gives a list of reasons why the West is creating a monster by trying to isolate Russia. He says it’s economically impossible to smother a country where 30 per cent of the population still uses an outside toilet. As a friend whose parents belong in this category puts it, their Urals village is not connected to public sanitation services but they go to church each Sunday where they light a candle for Putin. The idea that they can be bludgeoned into submission by pulling Louis Vuitton or Marks & Spencer out of Russia, and by cutting off the SWIFT international payment system, is risible. Tsypkin says this population has contempt for the tranquillity and risk-averseness of petty-bourgeois life and is not amenable to what Western powers might think of as rational appeals.
 
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