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Gilligan

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PREMO Member

FBI Documents Uncovered that Tie Americans to “Neo-Nazi” Azov Battalion in Ukraine​


Thanks! Sent in my application. I hope they are still taking new members. Only about 2500 of them so it looks pretty exclusive.
 

PJay

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Why the hell was the Biden administration funding secretive biolabs in Ukraine, labs that are conducting experiments on highly dangerous pathogens, right next to Russia's border? Why are we only hearing about this now?

 

GURPS

INGSOC
PREMO Member

We can support Ukrainian liberty, but it would be a good idea to protect our own right along with it



Why did our government, via the legacy media, deny the very existence of such labs until Undersecretary of State Victoria Nuland contradicted that denial in sworn testimony before the United States Senate? And why now does the administration respond by either smearing those few intrepid journalists who now dare to ask some pretty fair questions as “QAnon conspiracy theorists” or “far-right extremists” or “Putin-lovers,” or spinning the whole story as badly as the Russians? (Though more slyly so.)

Is it not fair to ask why we have been funding this program in general? And if it was to secure old Soviet biological weapons stockpiles, as the latest government-scripted talking points tell us, why has it taken two decades to secure them? And if they were made secure long ago, why did the research program continue?

Notice, the so-called “fact-checks” that the legacy media are holding up as their counter-programming go-to are no more than carbon-copies of Biden Administration, State Department, Defense Department, Intelligence Community, and even Ukrainian security service (SBU) talking points. They make no bones about it. You see it right in the article linked above from the Associated Press (via Yahoo! News), in which the writers lament citizens and their journalist colleagues questioning the government’s activities “despite rebuttals from independent scientists, Ukrainian leaders, and officials at the White House and Pentagon.” (Italics mine.)

Oh, well that solves that then. Nothing to see here. Seriously, is that journalism? How can a fact-check be in any way independent or legitimate when it simply repeats government talking points as “fact.” Even when those government talking points turn out to be true, it is imperative that that truth be established through independent sources. It’s basic journalistic integrity. Questioning the government doesn’t undermine trust; on the contrary, it enhances it. Best to follow the old Reagan dictum: Trust but verify. What happened to the good ol’ days when the scions of the Fourth Estate went all the way to the Supreme Court to print Ellsberg’s “Pentagon Papers” to counter the government’s false Vietnam War narrative? Didn’t Steven Spielberg make a movie about that portraying the owner and editor of the Washington Post as heroes?

We can support Ukrainian liberty, but it would be a good idea to protect our own right along with it.
 

GURPS

INGSOC
PREMO Member

American Journalist and Filmmaker Killed in Ukraine



A former New York Times reporter and award-winning documentary filmmaker, Brent Renaud, was killed when troops opened fire on a vehicle carrying foreign journalists in the Ukraine city of Irpen.

The Kyiv police chief identified the troops as Russian. No independent confirmation was forthcoming.

New York Times:

Mr. Renaud had contributed to The Times in previous years, most recently in 2015, but he was not on assignment for the company in Ukraine. Early reports that he was working for The Times in Ukraine circulated because he was found with a Times press badge that had been issued for an assignment years ago.
“We are deeply saddened to hear of Brent Renaud’s death,” said Danielle Rhoades Ha, a spokeswoman for The Times. “Brent was a talented filmmaker.”
 

GURPS

INGSOC
PREMO Member

Ukraine Maternity Hospital Shelling: A False Flag?




According to a Reuters report published March 10, 2022, Kremlin spokesman responded on Wednesday that their “forces do not fire on civilian targets.” He clarified on Thursday that they “don’t have clear information about what happened there” and that the Russia “military are very likely to provide some information.”

That same Reuters article notes that Russian officials stated that “Russian aviation carried out absolutely no strikes on ground targets in the area.” Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov alleged that “the hospital building had for days been under the control of ultra-radical Ukrainian forces who had emptied out the doctors and patients.” (Those “ultra-radical” forces would be the Azov Battalion, which according to NBC News was “founded by an avowed white supremacist who claimed Ukraine’s national purpose was to rid the country of Jews and other inferior races.”)

Lavrov even said Russia informed the UN Security Council that the hospital had been used by the Azov Battalion on March 7 or March 6, which would be a few days before the attack. Lavrov maintained “All the women in labor, all the nurses, in general, all the staff was driven out of there.”
 

GURPS

INGSOC
PREMO Member

Tucker Carlson: Why Is The United States Funding Biological Labs in Ukraine? What Is Victoria Nuland Hiding?





Toria Nuland was testifying so we were interested. Nuland was one of the people who brought us the Iraq War, never apologized for that and kept getting promoted because that's how DC works. Toria Nuland is now Joe Biden's Under Secretary of State in charge of Ukraine and she knows a lot about Ukraine.

In 2014, Toria Nuland engineered a coup in Ukraine in the name of democracy, of course. So, she is a highly informed source about Ukraine. So, she was having this colloquy with Senator Marco Rubio of Florida during her testimony, and at one point, Rubio took a tack that we were not expecting at all. He asked Nuland if Ukraine had biological weapons.

We never imagined Ukraine would have biological weapons. Why would Ukraine have bioweapons? So, it seemed like a pretty strange question, but it wasn't half as shocking as the answer he got. Here's what Toria Nuland said.

SEN. MARCO RUBIO: Does Ukraine have chemical or biological weapons?

VICTORIA NULAND: Ukraine has a biological research facilities, which, In fact, we are now quite concerned Russian troops, Russian forces, may be seeking to gain control of. So, we are working with the Ukrainians on how they can prevent any of those research materials from falling into the hands of Russian forces should they approach.


Does Ukraine have biological weapons? Ugh, Ukraine has biological research facilities. What? You mean secret bio labs like the secret bio labs that Ukraine definitely doesn't have? Ukraine has those? Yes, it does. And not only does Ukraine have secret bio labs, Toria Nuland said, whatever they're doing in those labs is so dangerous and so scary that she is, "quite concerned" that the so-called research material inside those bio labs might fall into the hands of Russian forces.

Try not to use profanity on the air to describe our reaction. Our jaws dropped, let's leave it there. Under oath in an open committee hearing, Toria Nuland just confirmed that the Russian disinformation they've been telling us for days is a lie and a conspiracy theory and crazy and immoral to believe is, in fact, totally and completely true.

Woah, you don't hear things like that every day in Washington. Talk about a showstopper and a dozen questions instantly jump to mind. What exactly are they doing in these secret Ukrainian bio labs? Ukraine is the poorest country in Europe. It's hardly a hotbed of biomedical research. We're assuming these weren't pharmaceutical labs, probably not developing new Leukemia drugs. From your answer, Toria Nuland, we would assume because you all but said it, that there's a military application to this research, that they were working on bioweapons. Again, your answer suggests that.
 

LightRoasted

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Tucker Carlson: Why Is The United States Funding Biological Labs in Ukraine? What Is Victoria Nuland Hiding?





Toria Nuland was testifying so we were interested. Nuland was one of the people who brought us the Iraq War, never apologized for that and kept getting promoted because that's how DC works. Toria Nuland is now Joe Biden's Under Secretary of State in charge of Ukraine and she knows a lot about Ukraine.

In 2014, Toria Nuland engineered a coup in Ukraine in the name of democracy, of course. So, she is a highly informed source about Ukraine. So, she was having this colloquy with Senator Marco Rubio of Florida during her testimony, and at one point, Rubio took a tack that we were not expecting at all. He asked Nuland if Ukraine had biological weapons.

We never imagined Ukraine would have biological weapons. Why would Ukraine have bioweapons? So, it seemed like a pretty strange question, but it wasn't half as shocking as the answer he got. Here's what Toria Nuland said.

SEN. MARCO RUBIO: Does Ukraine have chemical or biological weapons?

VICTORIA NULAND: Ukraine has a biological research facilities, which, In fact, we are now quite concerned Russian troops, Russian forces, may be seeking to gain control of. So, we are working with the Ukrainians on how they can prevent any of those research materials from falling into the hands of Russian forces should they approach.


Does Ukraine have biological weapons? Ugh, Ukraine has biological research facilities. What? You mean secret bio labs like the secret bio labs that Ukraine definitely doesn't have? Ukraine has those? Yes, it does. And not only does Ukraine have secret bio labs, Toria Nuland said, whatever they're doing in those labs is so dangerous and so scary that she is, "quite concerned" that the so-called research material inside those bio labs might fall into the hands of Russian forces.

Try not to use profanity on the air to describe our reaction. Our jaws dropped, let's leave it there. Under oath in an open committee hearing, Toria Nuland just confirmed that the Russian disinformation they've been telling us for days is a lie and a conspiracy theory and crazy and immoral to believe is, in fact, totally and completely true.

Woah, you don't hear things like that every day in Washington. Talk about a showstopper and a dozen questions instantly jump to mind. What exactly are they doing in these secret Ukrainian bio labs? Ukraine is the poorest country in Europe. It's hardly a hotbed of biomedical research. We're assuming these weren't pharmaceutical labs, probably not developing new Leukemia drugs. From your answer, Toria Nuland, we would assume because you all but said it, that there's a military application to this research, that they were working on bioweapons. Again, your answer suggests that.
She's just covering for the DOD, CIA, State Department, and other such spook agencies. That's all.
 

LightRoasted

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This, just about sums everything that is going on with Russia. They say a picture is worth a thousand words?

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PJay

Well-Known Member
In Russia, in the Kaluga region, a replica of the Tower of Babel was burned.

Video in link

 

PJay

Well-Known Member
General Flynn:

"Vladimir Putin has upset the balance of the New World Order by going into Ukraine."


 

GURPS

INGSOC
PREMO Member

Tragic shooting of American journalist in Ukraine was likely committed by Ukrainian forces, not Russians




The Real Story

Shortly after the incident occurred, a video was posted to social media, with Renaud’s body on display in the background. In the video (CONTENT WARNING), a Ukrainian soldier says the shooting occurred in the settlement of Romanovka.

The location of the incident is very significant, because it established that the shooting took place well within a swath of territory that remains within the lines controlled by Ukrainian forces. Now, it’s certainly possible that troop movements shifted in those early hours, but there is no documented evidence of Russian troops being anywhere near the crime scene, before during, or after the incident. The Russians have in recent days repeatedly shelled the entire area, but Renaud was killed by nearby gunfire.








Another major piece of information came out earlier this evening, when The New York Times confirmed that the incident occurred at a Ukrainian checkpoint.





The Times reports:

“Capt. Oleksandr Bogai, the deputy chief of police in Irpin, said Mr. Renaud was shot in the head when Russian forces fired at his car, which was being driven by a local civilian across a Ukrainian checkpoint near the northern border of Irpin.”

This again establishes that Renaud had been moving through Ukrainian, not Russian checkpoints.

Now, here’s where the most important piece of testimony comes into play.

Our most important eyewitness is Juan Arrendondo, Renaud’s colleague, who was physically in the vehicle with him at the time they came under fire. Arrendondo was interviewed earlier in the day from a Ukrainian hospital, where he discussed what happened at the scene of the chaotic incident.

I’ve highlighted the significant portions of the brief interview, but feel free to watch it yourself below.

We crossed the checkpoint and they started shooting at us,” Arrendondo started. “So the driver turned around, and they kept shooting at us … I saw him being shot in the neck, and we got split, and I got pulled into the … ambulance, I don’t know.”
 
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