Understanding Taqiyya

Radiant1

Radiant1

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mAlice said:
Based on your posts, it looked like you were in agreement with proxima and bigyrl. That the majority of Muslims are peaceful. No?
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No. I am, however, in agreement that the OP article is misleading regarding who practices taqqiya. Nothing more and nothing less. I say what I mean and mean what I say, no need to read into my words.
 
Gilligan

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I'm just relieved to know that when a Sunni jihadist tries to cut my head off, he won't lie to me beforehand.

But that's just me.
 
mAlice

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Radiant1 said:
No. I am, however, in agreement that the OP article is misleading regarding who practices taqqiya. Nothing more and nothing less. I say what I mean and mean what I say, no need to read into my words.
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What part of the article was it that you thought was misleading?
 
Radiant1

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mAlice said:
What part of the article was it that you thought was misleading?
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The entire thing only because it does not once mention that taqqiya is a practice of Shia muslims and not Sunni muslims. As I said (emphasis added):

Radiant1 said:
I didn't take her statement that way but never the less, according to a BBC article dated December 2013, Shia are only 10% of the Muslim population. Other sources cite anywhere from 7.5% to 30%. Either way, to lump them all together would be like saying Catholics believe you have to be born again or Protestants honor the Virgin Mary, which would be false.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-25434060
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Would you take as truth an article that states all former Atheists who convert to Christianity have the IQ of a goat? I'm guessing you wouldn't, but I could be wrong.

Like I said, the point wasn't hard to understand...unless you don't want to.
 
b23hqb

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40% of 1.1 billion leaves about 440,000,000 taqqiyaites, a formidable number in itself. Let the other 600 million non-shia take care of the problem? It won't happen, because without doubt a large chunk of the 600 million are either afraid to confront them, tacitly under the table agree with taqqiya but will not admit it, or both.
 
mAlice

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b23hqb said:
40% of 1.1 billion leaves about 440,000,000 taqqiyaites, a formidable number in itself. Let the other 600 million non-shia take care of the problem? It won't happen, because without doubt a large chunk of the 600 million are either afraid to confront them, tacitly under the table agree with taqqiya but will not admit it, or both.
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This.
 
b23hqb

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mAlice said:
This.
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Let me rephrase that - I got my numbers wrong. About 11% of Muslims are Shia, or about 112,000,000, that should follow taqqiya, leaving about 1,000,000,000 of the other muslim sects that say they don't agree with taqqiya. If this about 9 - 1 ratio is not settled by the Sunnis, then they are guilty and hypocritical for not eliminating the threat that is allegedly insulting their "religion". As I said before, there is no doubt that a large amount of those Sunni's either quietly agree with it, or are just too afraid to fight it, and if taqqiya prevails, they will submit to it.
 
baydoll

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The relatively few number of Muslims who dare to convert to Christianity do that in extreme secrecy. That is because the penalty for leaving Islam is death in all schools of Sharia, both Sunni and Shiite. Those who wrote Sharia centuries ago knew that keeping Muslims in total submission would be very difficult to maintain, and thus they established barbaric laws condemning Muslims to death for exercising their basic human rights to choose their religion. Sharia never entrusted its enforcement only to the formal legal system. Islam promises heavenly rewards to individual Muslims who take the law into their own hands. Sharia states that the killers of apostates and adulterers are not to be punished as murderers. That is why, for Islam to achieve 100% compliance to Sharia enforcement, Muslim individuals were told they must be Allah’s enforces of Sharia on earth if the government fails to do so. That is the reason honor killing and killing of apostates happen in the West.

The end result is a chaotic society where everything happens behind closed doors but at a very heavy price to Muslim society and interpersonal relationships. Fear and distrust of others exist in all Muslim society. Muslims are not just distrustful of the West, but they are distrustful of one another. People are often more afraid of their neighbors and family members than the police. Thus we see husbands or father pressured to apply Sharia by killing an adulterous wife or daughter, or a perfect stranger participate in killing of an apostate in the public square. Very few get arrested or punished for such crimes across the Muslim world. The ingenious Sharia uses vigilante street justice to bring about Islamic submission. That is why civil unrest, assassinations, coups, and honor crimes go where ever Islam goes. The power of Islam comes from turning Muslim against Muslim with a reward in heaven.

Islamic tyranny is encapsulated in a law (Sharia) where many Muslims escaped from when they moved to America. But some Muslims claim it to be their religious right in America. Many American citizens who left Islam are living in constant fear from Islamist individuals and groups right here, in the land of the free and home of the brave. I am one of them.
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From a former Muslim : http://formermuslimsunited.org/apostasy-from-islam/
 
Midnightrider

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i love how christians cant even agree among themselves what their holy book means, but they read a couple of slanted articles and they are an expert on all things muslim :sad:
 
Gilligan

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Midnightrider said:
i love how christians cant even agree among themselves what their holy book means, but they read a couple of slanted articles and they are an expert on all things muslim :sad:
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Perhaps you would link to the post where anyone claimed to be an expert? Of course you will.
 
Midnightrider

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post #1 in this thread.
she leaves no room for interpretaion.
but you aren't real good with words so i am not surprised you missed it.
 
Gilligan

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Midnightrider said:
post #1 in this thread.
she leaves no room for interpretaion.
but you aren't real good with words so i am not surprised you missed it.
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Not one hint of the OP claiming to be an expert on all things muslim. Care to play again?

PS. Your lame "dismissive shtick" never worked before; why do you think it might now?
 
Larry Gude

Larry Gude

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Gilligan said:
What if Sunni's are lying about being liars?


How would anyone know?

This gets complicated.

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See, this is where another HUGE distinction comes in; Shia's don't much do suicide bombings. That's a Sunni thing, mostly.

And NONE of this is complicated. It's only through our abject refusal to even have a cursory understanding of these people that it gets complicated.
 
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