Bustem' Down
Give Peas a Chance
Well, you conservatives are too damned impatient. The current strategy of going house by house and flushing the insurgents out is working, it just takes time.vraiblonde said:
US Marines killed innocent women and children
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Midnightrider
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now where did i say any of that????vraiblonde said:
you may find this hard to believe, but this conservative belives it is wrong to kill unarmed noncombatants. that is all
It's also getting people killed. I AM impatient, I frankly admit it. I think if you have to go to war, you should fight to win and do it as quickly as possible. Bush probably has the right idea about winning them over and easing them into their new style of government, but how many American lives do we really want to sacrifice for this noble goal?Bustem' Down said:
At the end of the day, they're going to be this happy little democracy surrounded by ruthless theocracies and dictatorships. I'm not feeling very optimistic about the future of freedom in Iraq. Sometimes I think Bush would be better off just saying, "Forget it" and sending a message that the price for messing with us is very very steep.
Mikeinsmd
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But you see B, if we hadn't already developed this PC version of war, we wouldn't have to go house to house.Bustem' Down said:
I do believe those folks would fight tooth and nail against the terrorists if they knew the consequences. If they won't because of fear then they are weak and a pitiful excuse for a human being in my opinion.
We are not the bad guys. We've proven that time & time again.
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juggy4805
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Mikeinsmd said:
You cannot say they are a weak and pitiful excuse for a human being. I am not sure if you have been in that situation or not. If you haven't you do not know how you would react or which path you would choose.
You're right - maybe Mike would be a weak and pitiful excuse for a human being as well. Maybe I would, too. But that doesn't make it any less weak and pitiful.juggy4805 said:
Mikeinsmd
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Well let me just clear that up for ya there boy.....juggy4805 said:
In that situation, I will fight to the death to rid my home/town of terrorists. I know the difference between right and wrong.
You may be unsure but I sure as hell know what I'd do. No second thoughts either.
Bustem' Down
Give Peas a Chance
Yes we are, and that attitude is starting to run rampant. We are in this to win, we will win no matter how many american bodies it takes. We're going to do it and we're not going to half-azz it.Homesick said:
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juggy4805
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Mikeinsmd said:
When someone is holding a gun to one of your family members head the situation changes a bit. Boy.
Midnightrider
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you gotta have thoughts before you can have second ones....Mikeinsmd said:
It became half-assed the second anyone besides a few hippies cared about Abu Ghraib and Gitmo prisoners.Bustem' Down said:
Bustem' Down
Give Peas a Chance
Once again, you forget that there are rules that we have to abide by and by throwing those rules to the wind, I throw my honor out with it.vraiblonde said:
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juggy4805
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Mikeinsmd said:
I'm not saying that I wouldn't fight. If someone is holding a gun to your head instructing you to do something. If you say no, They pull the trigger, you die and they move on to the next house.
Do you really think that the women and children have weapons to fight back against these terrorists?
I'm talking as a civilian. You, as military personnel, have rules you must follow or you'll get in a whole lotta schizz.Bustem' Down said:
I don't blame the soldier for following orders - that's what they're supposed to do. I blame those who actually make the rules and expect the soldier to follow them, while the enemy is unencumbered by such niceties. It's like tying their hands behind their backs and saying, "We want to win the war but we don't want to offend anyone in the process. Now go get 'em, Tiger!"
It's just stupid.
Sometimes you're better off dead with your integrity than alive with your shame.juggy4805 said:
Bustem' Down
Give Peas a Chance
It's not stupid, it's what makes us human and them animals, and I like to keep that distinction quite clear for the world to see.vraiblonde said:
Mikeinsmd
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You're changing the context of my point. When an entire town knows what the superior force will do (total annihilation), insurgents won't stand a chance because the entire town will help take them out and turn them over to the US.juggy4805 said:
And yes women and children do have weapons.
See, and I don't think they're animals. I think they're uncivilized louts, but they are very human to me.Bustem' Down said:
Hobbling yourself to "level the playing field" or "maintain your honor" doesn't sound smart or fair or brave to me. It just sounds stupid. If you're going to fight, fight to win.
And, again, I do not blame the soldier for this - they didn't make the rules.