US Marines killed innocent women and children
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slik said:
Back in the old country during second world war, my family lived under the german occupation. One night some kids saw a string and thought that they could take. They cut the string and it turned out to be the german communication line. The germans gathered everyone together and they said that if the person who did this does not come forward, everyone would die.
The child admitted to the german commander that he did it and was shot in front of his family. The germans did not believe him. The commander ordered the town burned and everyone dead to be safe. As they were about to kill everyone, the german commander saw women and children crying and lifted the order. Our town was latter liberated by canadian and american forces. True story. We were all innocent, but guilty in the eyes of the germans.
I have never been in our military and would i seek revenge?? No i wouldnt. I would seek justice. Has the media been innacurate? yes. Is it the case this time? who knows
And at the time, the Germans were engaging in systematic genocide and trying to invade other countries. So what does that story have to do with current American war tactics in Iraq?frstabbo said:
Toxick
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Bustem' Down said:
Pity that you see them as animals, and mores the pity that you seem to think we shouldn't fight to win.
What I would have like to have seen is for every innocent civilian who was executed - especially those god-forsaken beheadings that were broadcast to the interweb - we drag us a Gitmo detainee in front of a firing squad, bring out a barrel of pig's blood and entrails, douse his naked terrorist ass in the pig's blood, and fill his guts full of pig-blood covered lead.
Then broadcast that on the internet.
For that matter, we should issue a warning: Give us the living breathing body of Uncle Bin Laden, or one terrorist per day will die in this fashion.
But Nooooo......
God forbid we actually fight to win.
God forbid we use tactics that are guaranteed to work.
We gotta be NICE about it.
Heaven help the world, if I ever get elected. I won't be nice. And I will sever all aid to any country that disses us, helps our enemies, or looks at us crossways.
Not cut. Not reduce.
SEVER.
Maybe save us a couple bucks that way, too.
You're talking about two very different scenarios and motivations, though.frstabbo said:
And since you brought up WWII:
The Holocaust should be a very important reminder for us to not let things go too far before we take action. When stories first started coming out of Germany in 1938 about the Kristallnacht pogrom and the T-4 Euthanasia Program, other countries around the world should have jumped in and stopped the Nazis right then and there. There was no excuse, in my opinion, for FDR to wait until Pearl Harbor to get involved. In fact, the world should have perked up its ears years prior, when Hitler first started talking about "undesireables" and Final Solutions.
To disregard and say "it's not our problem" is foolish and dangerous. And this is how I see Iraq. We could have waited until it got as big as the Holocaust - and, absent George Bush, that's exactly what we would have done. Yet there are those who say we don't belong in Iraq, just as there were those who said we didn't belong in Europe.
Soldiers died in WWII in much greater numbers than are dying in Iraq. But what is the alternative? Just let these dictators go? Ignore them and wait until they've taken over all the countries around them so they're more powerful?
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juggy4805
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Toxick said:
Our country is too dependant on foreign trade for that to work.
Well, DUH. Obviously you would only drop a nuke on the ones WITHOUT oil - no pipelines to destroy.frstabbo said:
Now there is news that us marines will be investigated in another masacre involving 4 women and 5 children. The first report in the haditha massacre revealed marines lied in a coverup..charges most likely will be laid. thats what happens when you send boys to do a mans job. some of these young marines arnt old enough to buy a drink at a bar, so how can we expect them to handle situations such as these??
Tom Sawyer
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Well Dipstick, the fact is that most wars are fought by kids who arent old enough to legally buy a beer. In my Legion Post there is a man who was 15 years old when he landed on Inchon in Korea.. A member of the United States marins. Sending boys to do a mans job? Hardly :By the way if you are man enough maybe they can find a spot for you.
Marines have been handling situations for years.
What really happened ? That is what the investigtion is to find out. I believe insurgents attacked a military convoy and used hostages as human shields.
It was all set up with their own video camera's to record it. Film edited by the enemy.
The only thing I agree with about your post is that we should lower the drinking age for military persennel, so these men are old enough to buy beer.
The investigation will give us the answer and if you and Mr. Murtha are proven right America will punish those responsible, If you are proven wrong?? Well I think tar and feathers will be appropriate.
Marines have been handling situations for years.
What really happened ? That is what the investigtion is to find out. I believe insurgents attacked a military convoy and used hostages as human shields.
It was all set up with their own video camera's to record it. Film edited by the enemy.
The only thing I agree with about your post is that we should lower the drinking age for military persennel, so these men are old enough to buy beer.
The investigation will give us the answer and if you and Mr. Murtha are proven right America will punish those responsible, If you are proven wrong?? Well I think tar and feathers will be appropriate.
What really happened ? That is what the investigtion is to find out. I believe insurgents attacked a military convoy and used hostages as human shields. It was all set up with their own video camera's to record it. Film edited by the enemy. The only thing I agree with about your post is that we should lower the drinking age for military persennel said:
frstabbo,
First, don’t even to presume to know what our troops are going through. These MEN are men and age does not make one a man. They took up a calling that many won’t even consider and that act does make them men. So get off of it.
Next, you say that you have never heard of criminals using human shields, even children? Climb out from under your rock and smell the coffee. It has been going on for years and in every conflict that has been fought in recent decades. The shield isn’t to stop the bullet from hitting them it is an effort to stop the bullet from leaving the business end of the weapon.
As been said if it is proven that murders were committed the guilty parties and their superiors will face the consequences, in accordance with our laws because whether you believe it or not we do not tolerate murder.
The fact that our coalition forces are the only ones being held to established standards of warfare should clue you into the fact we do our best to minimize collateral losses. Also it is a fact that our current enemy does not adhere to similar standards and the media bares this out but that fact falls on blind eyes on those so ready and willing to condemn our own.
Our troops are being left to make critical life or death decisions in split seconds as to who is or isn’t a hostile and mistakes will be made. Such is the nature of warfare and the gruesomeness of it. To sit back in your nice safe home and denigrate those that could possibly be innocent is an injustice to those that might not be deserving of the characterization that you have laid upon them. What really happened will be determined and justice will be served. After all these aren’t rich men and they certainly can’t afford the high-powered lawyers that get many a person off that committed crimes.
First, don’t even to presume to know what our troops are going through. These MEN are men and age does not make one a man. They took up a calling that many won’t even consider and that act does make them men. So get off of it.
Next, you say that you have never heard of criminals using human shields, even children? Climb out from under your rock and smell the coffee. It has been going on for years and in every conflict that has been fought in recent decades. The shield isn’t to stop the bullet from hitting them it is an effort to stop the bullet from leaving the business end of the weapon.
As been said if it is proven that murders were committed the guilty parties and their superiors will face the consequences, in accordance with our laws because whether you believe it or not we do not tolerate murder.
The fact that our coalition forces are the only ones being held to established standards of warfare should clue you into the fact we do our best to minimize collateral losses. Also it is a fact that our current enemy does not adhere to similar standards and the media bares this out but that fact falls on blind eyes on those so ready and willing to condemn our own.
Our troops are being left to make critical life or death decisions in split seconds as to who is or isn’t a hostile and mistakes will be made. Such is the nature of warfare and the gruesomeness of it. To sit back in your nice safe home and denigrate those that could possibly be innocent is an injustice to those that might not be deserving of the characterization that you have laid upon them. What really happened will be determined and justice will be served. After all these aren’t rich men and they certainly can’t afford the high-powered lawyers that get many a person off that committed crimes.