Was Christ Who He Said He Was?

[Marie]

How do you decide which "preachers" are true or false?

Easy if you read scripture, it tells you what to look for. Any other Gospel than what the apostles taught is false, that salvation is by repentance and faith and through Jesus Christ alone.

Taking verses out of the old testament, and out of context, claiming as a Christian that your entiled to, prosperity or wealth is false, the only thing we are promised is that we will suffer for his name sake, and Christ provides a means of an atonement of our sin.

If your well grounded in the word, false teachers are as easy to spot as someone that just stepped in dog poop. They give themselves away by there words and deeds.

 

[Starman3000m]

How do you decide which "preachers" are true or false?

Always be sure to read The Holy Bible in context. A person that is born again has the spiritual discernment to see truth from error when it comes to the True Words of God. The Bible states that it is the Holy Spirit that is our teacher and you don't really need a man to teach you. Thus, when a preacher makes a certain claim you can know whether it is Truth or whether he/she is using scripture for self-gain, control and deception of the "flock".

One good example is when preachers play the "guilt trip" on tithing by quoting Old Testament text from Malachai "you have robbed God in tithes and offerings". In context the prophecy was actually coming against the "priests" who were taking the tithes and offerings brought by the people and misusing them on their own self-interests. Kind of like today when high profile priests live in lavish homes, wear expensive jewelry, drive expensive cars, jet around the country for speaking engagements and vacations, buy valuable gifts for friends and family ALL FROM THE TITHES AND OFFERINGS GIVEN TO THE CHURCH. Meanwhile, the preachers think nothing of encouraging their flock to go into credit card debt to help fund pet projects that the preachers claim will go toward "the work of God".

This is only one example - but you get the idea of how to be able to tell whether a preacher is true or false. Know the Word of God and have a close personal relationship with God through the Holy Spirit as promised by Yeshua HaMashiach (New Testament Jesus).

 

[tommyjones]

Always be sure to read The Holy Bible in context. A person that is born again has the spiritual discernment to see truth from error when it comes to the True Words of God. The Bible states that it is the Holy Spirit that is our teacher and you don't really need a man to teach you. Thus, when a preacher makes a certain claim you can know whether it is Truth or whether he/she is using scripture for self-gain, control and deception of the "flock".

One good example is when preachers play the "guilt trip" on tithing by quoting Old Testament text from Malachai "you have robbed God in tithes and offerings". In context the prophecy was actually coming against the "priests" who were taking the tithes and offerings brought by the people and misusing them on their own self-interests. Kind of like today when high profile priests live in lavish homes, wear expensive jewelry, drive expensive cars, jet around the country for speaking engagements and vacations, buy valuable gifts for friends and family ALL FROM THE TITHES AND OFFERINGS GIVEN TO THE CHURCH. Meanwhile, the preachers think nothing of encouraging their flock to go into credit card debt to help fund pet projects that the preachers claim will go toward "the work of God".

This is only one example - but you get the idea of how to be able to tell whether a preacher is true or false. Know the Word of God and have a close personal relationship with God through the Holy Spirit as promised by Yeshua HaMashiach (New Testament Jesus).

so what you are saying is that as long as you read it from a 'born again's' point of view you will get it right?

There are lots of other christians that will argue that is the wrong context.

 

[forever jewel]

Always be sure to read The Holy Bible in context. A person that is born again has the spiritual discernment to see truth from error when it comes to the True Words of God. The Bible states that it is the Holy Spirit that is our teacher and you don't really need a man to teach you. Thus, when a preacher makes a certain claim you can know whether it is Truth or whether he/she is using scripture for self-gain, control and deception of the "flock".

One good example is when preachers play the "guilt trip" on tithing by quoting Old Testament text from Malachai "you have robbed God in tithes and offerings". In context the prophecy was actually coming against the "priests" who were taking the tithes and offerings brought by the people and misusing them on their own self-interests. Kind of like today when high profile priests live in lavish homes, wear expensive jewelry, drive expensive cars, jet around the country for speaking engagements and vacations, buy valuable gifts for friends and family ALL FROM THE TITHES AND OFFERINGS GIVEN TO THE CHURCH. Meanwhile, the preachers think nothing of encouraging their flock to go into credit card debt to help fund pet projects that the preachers claim will go toward "the work of God".

This is only one example - but you get the idea of how to be able to tell whether a preacher is true or false. Know the Word of God and have a close personal relationship with God through the Holy Spirit as promised by Yeshua HaMashiach (New Testament Jesus).

First, I am NOT born again. I've been a practicing Catholic my entire life and trust my religion. You shouldn't have to rediscover God in order to discern truth from fiction in the Bible.

Second, do you follow any particular religion or are you as gifted as Marie in predicting the true teachings of Christ?

 

[toppick08]

First, I am NOT born again. I've been a practicing Catholic my entire life and trust my religion. You shouldn't have to rediscover God in order to discern truth from fiction in the Bible.

Second, do you follow any particular religion or are you as gifted as Marie in predicting the true teachings of Christ?

You must not read the Bible on a regular basis.....:shrug:

 

[tommyjones]

You must not read the Bible on a regular basis.....:shrug:

so you are in agreement with marie and starman that the only way to interpret the bible is the born again way :shrug:

like i said before, lots of christians disagree, in fact i would dare to say MOST christians dont have your "born again only" interpretation

 

[toppick08]

so you are in agreement with marie and starman that the only way to interpret the bible is the born again way :shrug:

like i said before, lots of christians disagree, in fact i would dare to say MOST christians dont have your "born again only" interpretation

:shrug:

I just go by what Jesus said.............

 

[tommyjones]

:shrug:

I just go by what Jesus said.............

you do know that MOST of the stuff in the bible was not said by jesus right?(and that assumes that the stuff atributed to him was actually said by him)
so i guess the rest is irrelavent?

 

[toppick08]

you do know that MOST of the stuff in the bible was not said by jesus right?(and that assumes that the stuff atributed to him was actually said by him)
so i guess the rest is irrelavent?

Old Testament.....The Father.

New Testament....The Son.

Both the same....read it, absorb it, use it.......

 

[tommyjones]

Old Testament.....The Father.

New Testament....The Son.

Both the same....read it, absorb it, use it.......

Most of the New Testament was not the spoken word of jesus. It is a series of stories, some of which he is in.....

the same goes for the old testament and the words of God.

so i guess all the parts that dont say "and then jesus said...." are bunk?

 

[forever jewel]

You must not read the Bible on a regular basis.....:shrug:

You're right. I don't. I studied Christianity as a child and continue my relationship with him through mass and other religious ceremonies. Unlike both Marie and yourself, I do not manipulate every passage of the bible to defend my views. In my opinion, there are passages in the bible that are completely irrelevant to the modern world (i.e. stoning your children). Expecting people to follow the bible word for word is absurd.

 

[toppick08]

Whoever sent me red for being a false Christian, please sign it next time, so I can pray for/with you......and grow a spine....thanks.

 

[toppick08]

You're right. I don't. I studied Christianity as a child and continue my relationship with him through mass and other religious ceremonies. Unlike both Marie and yourself, I do not manipulate every passage of the bible to defend my views. In my opinion, there are passages in the bible that are completely irrelevant to the modern world (i.e. stoning your children). Expecting people to follow the bible word for word is absurd.

The Mother Mary will not save you.

 

[forever jewel]

The Mother Mary will not save you.

Did she tell you that?

 

[tommyjones]

The Mother Mary will not save you.

and being a judgemental prick wont save you.....


so what about the parts that dont say "jesus said", Mr "i go by what jesus said"?

 

[toppick08]

and being a judgemental prick wont save you.....


so what about the parts that dont say "jesus said", Mr "i go by what jesus said"?

I don't say anything, but our Bible does........and yes, I do have a penis, with balls attached.

 

[toppick08]

Did she tell you that?

No, but your priest does.

 

[forever jewel]

No, but your priest does.

Talked to him last Friday and I do not remember him mentioning anything about The Virgin Mary or that she says I'm going to hell. Actually, he told me that God is very proud to have such a "beautiful, young, God-loving lady" as one of his children.

Please realize that God loves all his children whether or not they agree with YOU. I have nothing against you, accept your negativity towards any non- born-again christian.

 

[toppick08]

Talked to him last Friday and I do not remember him mentioning anything about The Virgin Mary or that she says I'm going to hell. Actually, he told me that God is very proud to have such a "beautiful, young, God-loving lady" as one of his children.

Please realize that God loves all his children whether or not they agree with YOU. I have nothing against you, accept your negativity towards any non- born-again christian.

I just wish they didn't send us Methodist to a lonely island......(Smith)

I'm just saying the Jesus said that unless one is born again of spirit, not an actual physical act, that he will never see Heaven......I really do like you, and tommy......

 

[tommyjones]

I just wish they didn't send us Methodist to a lonely island......(Smith)

I'm just saying the Jesus said that unless one is born again of spirit, not an actual physical act, that he will never see Heaven......I really do like you, and tommy......

and thats what your pastor has told you.....


if it was really what jesus said then EVERY christian sect would believe it