What am I missing about this???

[stgislander]

Enjoying the hell out of it...it's a beautiful one. Banging away on getting my 17' jet boat back in the water again..

Your jet boat?

 

[truby20]

How many have died in the US from the flu in the last 12 months?

Why do you folks keep asking me this question? Once covid-19 crosses 34,000 deaths you’ll just move the goal post again....”what about Spanish flu? What about measles? They were old people anyway”

 

[truby20]

Just received another email from CPAC 2020:

​

​ ​ We continue to work closely with the Maryland Department of Health since our conference was in the State of Maryland. The Dept of Health has screened thousands of employees from the Gaylord National Resort and Conference Center and the Residence Inn. At this time, not a single person has reported any unusual illness. Thus, the Dept of Health is not restricting the movements or interactions with others of those hotel employees. The Dept of Health has however encouraged these employees to take their temperature twice a day and to keep an eye open for any unusual symptoms. We think that is good advice and encourage our attendees and participants to do the same. We continue to remain in close contact with the infected individual and he continues to be doing better. Also, at this point, no other CPAC attendee, participant or staff has tested positive for coronavirus. If you are exhibiting symptoms, you should immediately contact your local Department of Health. Additionally, ACU/CPAC Chairman Matt Schlapp addressed the situation on Fox &Friends this morning: https://video.foxnews.com/v/6139433957001#sp=show-clips ​ Our mailing address is: American Conservative Union 1199 N Fairfax Street Suite 500 Alexandria, Virginia 22314 Add us to your address book Want to change how you receive these emails? You can update your preferences or unsubscribe from this list.

AND...my temp is still normal.

Well some people seem to be taking it seriously

 

[truby20]

Fair point. Here's my "rebuttal": if one finds that what Trump said is/was wrong (to say), what should have he said instead?

As I've said in numerous threads (on this and other subjects) the job of the President is to show resolve, demonstrate optimism, etc. That is what he did; the factual content of the words wasn't nearly as important as conveying optimism. Because I know that, I didn't feel the need to play Joe Friday; instead, what I needed from Trump was to be the confident field general (if you saw the movie "Patton" you can see this principle in play; there's a great scene that shows him being far more unsure in private than he was in public, but he kept his fears private).

Anyway, so if one disagrees with that perspective (i.e., that Trump should speak as the confident leader), then what should Trump have said? That's why I referenced FDR; should FDR - instead of saying "the only thing we have to fear...." said something along the lines of "Yes, terrible. The Depression is so bad that we will all starve shortly"? Or later, after Pearl Harbor, "Our military forces have been soundly defeated across the Pacific and there's a good chance the Japanese will shortly be on the West Coast (and oh, btw, England is just about knocked out of the war)" (because, btw, both were very high probabilities)?

That we got out of the Depression and prevailed in WWII was because people felt they had permission to be optimistic (instead of how most were actually feeling). I'm sure there were folks back then who thought FDR was a misguided lunatic; history was on the side of both economic collapse and a Japanese victory. So, regarding those critics, what did they offer other than to give up? Nothing. Same here with this coronavirus. Folks can say Trump is an idiot and they could be correct. But what these critics don't offer is an alternative for the narrative.

Should we have tested earlier and more often? Some of the critics say yes. But I could give an equal number of reasons as to why that wouldn't be a good idea. And on and on.

WRT the mortality rate you quoted, do we know the specifics of it? A simple percentage just doesn't do us any good; what were the ages of the 21? Their physical health? Where does the 500 come from? Confirmed cases? Well, then what about the idea being used by critics that the actual number is far greater than the confirmed? If that's true (and I believe it is) the death percentage could be far lower than 4%. Bottom line, too little data being used to offer "conclusions" that I'm not at all sure are warranted (because we don't have enough data to know if they're warranted).

If I've misunderstood your point, my apologies. But I remain where I've been since the beginning of this: the coronavirus is more a political issue than a medical one. All the complaints about the administration are just "noise"; the "signal" (to use the Nate Silver idea) is that medical experts are all counseling the same thing: do the things one does during flu season and even if this does become a more serious than usual flu the recovery rate is still 99%, etc. So my advice to all is the same advice I tell myself: Keep calm and carry on! We know that pessimism is contagious; we often forget that optimism is, as well. The former is destructive. Hence, why I choose the latter.

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It’s the lack of information/transparency that’s the issue. I just divided 21/500 to get that percentage, I don’t know the ages of the dead, but many were from that senior center.

Republican senator Rick Scott from Florida sent the Trump administration a letter this evening demanding more information about the situation ....going to be a rough week for Trump

 

[Bann]

Well some people seem to be taking it seriously

AS IS the email from CPAC. It lists all the prudent precautions people should be taking. Who isn't taking it seriously? Should we all be running around like chickens with our heads cut off?

Personally, I am not experiencing symptoms nor do I have a fever. It has been 8 days since CPAC ended and MOST of the people there did NOT have contact with that one person. The odds are that most of the people who were in that conference will not contract the virus.

 

[mitzi]

Should we all be running around like chickens with our heads cut off?

Yes, you're a hen.

 

[Bann]

Yes, you're a hen.

Chicken Little!!!

 

[PrchJrkr]

Yes, you're a hen.

Don't look now, but that chicken has a !

 

[truby20]

Wow, big hit piece from conservative paper Washington Examiner



they can look the other way on incompetence as long as it doesn’t hit their bank account....BTW, Dow futures down another 1,000 points this evening

 

[Yooper]

....going to be a rough week for Trump

Yup. It would have been (and will be) a tough week for Trump regardless of whatever he did (does). Nature of the beast being "the boss." Same as it was for Obama and same as it will be for the next President.

As far as Senator Scott's letter goes, absolutely to be expected. Since he works "for the People" (directly; as opposed to the Judicial or the Executive) these are the questions he should be asking. And as they come from a Senator they have more gravitas compared to questions coming from a Congressperson. My point is that everyone has a role to play in this bit o' theater. Not too much different from when we had CODELs show up in-country: their role was to ask questions that worked to their advantage/agenda, my job was to answer them (or not) based on what the Executive Branch sought to accomplish. Again, no matter how much we would like any issue to be decided on its merits they never are; there is ALWAYS a political dimension to any issue. Which is why Republican complaints that the Democrats shouldn't be using the coronavirus for political gain is every bit as political as the Democrats' comments causing the Republicans to complain.

Cheers!

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[Yooper]

Wow, big hit piece from conservative paper Washington Examiner



they can look the other way on incompetence as long as it doesn’t hit their bank account....BTW, Dow futures down another 1,000 points this evening

Note two things. First, Klein is a #NeverTrumper so one would expect such an observation. Further, he uses the coronavirus to get to his real point: that Trump is incompetent. Clever rhetoric, but it's a strawman criticism; how do we know Trump hasn't considered "drive-thru" testing?

Second, notice how Klein's criticisms are nothing more than "cheap shots." There is nothing in the article that is reasoned; it is simply critique. Klein is neither a doctor nor an economist nor anything else for that matter other than an OPINION columnist. As such, he always takes the easy way out: throwing darts, but never adding any support for the darts he is throwing. Contrast that, for example, with one of his colleagues, Byron York. York will say "X" then provide actual data in support of his criticisms. Klein never does that. Klein's opinions can always be summed up as #OrangemanBad. That's why he is my least favorite opinion writer at The Examiner; because there's no substance to what he writes.

I don't blindly endorse Trump. Similarly, I don't cotton to attacks that are nothing more than sophisticated attempts at ad hominem.

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[vraiblonde]

Why do you folks keep asking me this question? Once covid-19 crosses 34,000 deaths you’ll just move the goal post again....”what about Spanish flu? What about measles? They were old people anyway”

Because you're making a mountain out of a molehill. People are dropping dead in far greater numbers from pretty much everything else, yet you (manipulated by the media) are freaking out over this virus.

"OMG, it's in a bunch of different countries!!! "

Well, yeah, so is cancer and regular flu and murder and diabetes and fetal alcohol syndrome and blah blah blah. Why is this getting so much attention?

Not gonna lie, your coronavirus flip out has made me think less of you. You're acting like a pitchfork wielding villager who's seen a crop circle.

 

[Yooper]

Let's add this article:

Elon Musk draws ire after calling panic over coronavirus epidemic 'dumb'

Some followers are angry at the CEO, while others say he is addressing panic behavior, not the seriousness of the illness.

www.cnet.com

Elon Musk is known for his buzzworthy tweets, but a tweet he sent Friday afternoon drew attention for his opinion about a virus. Musk, the CEO of SpaceX and Tesla, delivered his message in a concise five words: "The coronavirus panic is dumb."

Within seconds, Musk's tweet had been retweeted and liked hundreds, then thousands of times. Less than two hours after it was sent, the message had been retweeted more than 65,700 times, and liked 300,000 times. That's an enormous amount of social engagement even for a huge public figure like Musk. The social reaction drew the ire of people who felt he was downplaying the potential dangers, although others defended him, arguing he was talking about the worry over the virus, and not the virus itself.

So here's a certified genius and hero to many (as noted in the snip, SpaceX and Tesla, to name two reasons why) who is immediately pounced upon because his tweet doesn't align with what so many in the Twitterverse want to hear: that the world is ending tomorrow (or in 8 1/2 years or 12, whatever).

The tell is what follows in the next paragraph of the linked article:

This is just the latest example of Musk's freewheeling Twitter behavior, which has landed him in trouble in the past. The CEO called British cave diver Vernon Unsworth a "pedo guy" in a 2018 tweet, and that brought him into court in a defamation case. (Musk was found not liable for damages on Dec. 6.) And a 2018 tweet in which he mused he might take Tesla private led to the SEC filing a lawsuit against him. The suit was later settled, with Musk required to pay a $20 million fine.

Just another example why I say this coronavirus issue is more political than medical. It may turn out to be Captain Trips, but at this point there's no reason to think so.

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[Yooper]

...the death percentage could be far lower than 4%.

Maybe this was posted elsewhere, but I'm posting here to "rebut" the 4% mortality rate:


Take the comments/replies to the tweet as you will (but they shouldn't be surprising given that this is more of a political issue than a medical one).

--- End of line (MCP)

 

[Hijinx]

What a showing of cowardice this flu is.
Yes it is dangerous and people are dying of it.
Just what does anyone think Trump can do about it/
He isn't God. never claimed to be.

Nurses and Doctors are showing up for work. First Responders haven't stopped responding.
I applaud their courage.
What will be will be .
Take all precautions and hope it doesn't affect you or yours, but running around crying like cowards doesn't do anyone any good and it just encourages more cowardice.

Blaming Trump for a lack of response is just political horse sh1t.
Never-Trumpers blame him for a cloudy day.
What ignorance.

Yes IGNORANCE: If Trump could wave a magic wand and this would go away I am sure he would wave it, but spending Billions to stop it is stupid. Money won't stop the Virus, There is no cure except time and it cannot be purchased.
Money spent on taking care of the symptoms and helping to comfort those who are sick is money well spent and that is all that can be done with this thing. The only ones getting rich off this will be funeral directors and even they are at great risk.

 

[Spitfire]

Well some people seem to be taking it seriously

Greetings:

Thoughts and prayers to Heidi and daughter who have to endure this smarmy, greasy knuckledragger while he's in self-quarantine.

 

[truby20]

Not gonna lie, your coronavirus flip out has made me think less of you. You're acting like a pitchfork wielding villager who's seen a crop circle.

....I’m a stranger on the internet, you actually have an opinion of me? And it fell??? HAH

 

[truby20]

Yes IGNORANCE: If Trump could wave a magic wand and this would go away I am sure he would wave it, but spending Billions to stop it is stupid. Money won't stop the Virus, There is no cure except time and it cannot be purchased.
Money spent on taking care of the symptoms and helping to comfort those who are sick is money well spent and that is all that can be done with this thing. The only ones getting rich off this will be funeral directors and even they are at great risk.

Such a lazy response and expectation. He could have actual figures on the availability of test kits, their deliveries could be targeted, he could just shut up and let pence do the talking. No, he’s out there saying some people who have it are going to work (yes I watched the full interview on Hannity), or you know what? He could just stop the reality show for 10 mins and act like he’s the president, not try to deflect blame, leaving Americans off the coast because he doesn’t want to “affect the numbers”.

none of it really matters though, the die has been cast. Russia and Saudi Arabia are in an oil war, completely orchestracted by the libtards no doubt....please don’t let it hurt Dear Leader

 

[GURPS]

It’s the lack of information/transparency that’s the issue.

I certainly do not trust ANYTHING the Chinese Gov says

 

[GURPS]

It may turn out to be Captain Trips, but at this point there's no reason to think so.

No its not ...... yet

I fell Like I am living out Plague INC