What the Gospel of Judas really says

[Toxick]

So does this mean the question, for once in my life, wasn't loaded?

Of course it's loaded.

You answered no.


Therefore there is no such thing as free will.
Therefore God has stacked the decks against atheists from the beginning of time.
Therefore God is Evil for creating beings simply to punish them.
QED.

 

[Chain729]

Of course it's loaded.

You answered no.


Therefore there is no such thing as free will.
Therefore God has stacked the decks against atheists from the beginning of time.
Therefore God is Evil for creating beings simply to punish them.
QED.

Thanks for giving me what I expected Toxick

 

[wxtornado]

Of course it's loaded.

You answered no.


Therefore there is no such thing as free will.
Therefore God has stacked the decks against atheists from the beginning of time.
Therefore God is Evil for creating beings simply to punish them.
QED.

I don't disagree with your other points, but how is the deck stacked against athiests? We got it pretty good if ya ask me?

 

[This_person]

It's impossible to comprehend, because it's impossible to comprehend! It's a logical fallacy in your worldview! I'll try to make it real simple for you, and I want to see if you can actually answer the question I'm asking:

Your God saw me go to Outback tomorrow. He saw me do this before I was even born.

Now, yes or no?

CAN
I
GO
TO
ASAHI
INSTEAD?

Actually, we've covered this before....

Yes, He can. He saw you go to Outback. He saw you go to Asahi. He saw you get in a car wreck because he saw the homemaker drinking and driving. He saw you not get in a car wreck because she was helped by her husband. He saw it all, and far more. He foresaw the infinite number of possiblities, and each one of their potential outcomes.

Again, we've covered this before. That you can't accept it does not make it not true.

 

[This_person]

I don't disagree with your other points, but how is the deck stacked against athiests? We got it pretty good if ya ask me?

How? If what you believe is true, you have no soul.

 

[tommyjones]

How? If what you believe is true, you have no soul.

i'm not sure, but if thats the case i doubt he believes you have one either.....
sounds pretty even to me

 

[This_person]

i'm not sure, but if thats the case i doubt he believes you have one either.....
sounds pretty even to me

I'm quite certain he doesn't believe I have one, but that's not the point. I believe I do, but the point is that he's feeling good about atheists (having it good), and I'm trying to figure out what he thinks is good for atheists.

 

[Xaquin44]

I'm quite certain he doesn't believe I have one, but that's not the point. I believe I do, but the point is that he's feeling good about atheists (having it good), and I'm trying to figure out what he thinks is good for atheists.

probably the same thing thats good for everyone else.

 

[wxtornado]

How? If what you believe is true, you have no soul.

Soul?

 

[Xaquin44]

Soul?

the thing that being photographed will rob you of, duh!

 

[Xaquin44]

Bzzzz. Wrong.

You know, I am finding you quite tedious as am TJ and Xaquin44. If you can come up with some meaningful discussion, I may join in, but so far all you three have are the endless circles like buzzards hovering. Let me give you a :clue:. Christians are not the ones who are dead.

If you find at some point you get no more responses from me, it is because you are being ignored.

hey! I wasn't even posting here. It's cool that when tough questions are asked that you call it tedious or endless circles (the bible is right because it's the bible (how's that for circular logic)).

You don't have good/correct answers and that's ok.

 

[This_person]

Soul?

Did you get my answer on free will vs. omniscience?

I've asked this of other atheists, and they couldn't give me an answer....

My understanding of atheism is that we (humans) are just a cosmic fluke - a series of mutations and chance actions with no meaning or driving force (call it lack of an "intelligent designer"). Basically, all of what we see around us fits this concept. Assuming that I'm right in my understanding, what makes the life of a human more valuable to you than that of the cattle in the field? Not you, or your family, or anything like that; but, the life of some kid in Kansas who gets shot by someone else. Why is that murder "wrong" (which, I see no basis of what "right" and "wrong" would be to an atheist, either)?

 

[tommyjones]

Did you get my answer on free will vs. omniscience?

I've asked this of other atheists, and they couldn't give me an answer....

My understanding of atheism is that we (humans) are just a cosmic fluke - a series of mutations and chance actions with no meaning or driving force (call it lack of an "intelligent designer"). Basically, all of what we see around us fits this concept. Assuming that I'm right in my understanding, what makes the life of a human more valuable to you than that of the cattle in the field? Not you, or your family, or anything like that; but, the life of some kid in Kansas who gets shot by someone else. Why is that murder "wrong" (which, I see no basis of what "right" and "wrong" would be to an atheist, either)?

the golden rule

 

[wxtornado]

I'm trying to figure out what he thinks is good for atheists.

Life is!

Of course I can't speak for all atheists, but the big diference between theists and atheists can really be summed up simply in that we disagree whether or not existence is driven by an overriding conciousness.

Theists make the leap that there must be some higher thinking entity, whereas atheists see no reason to take this extra step; indeed, where the theist somehow sees taking this extra step as clarifying things, the atheist sees it as merely muddying them, and doing it without being able to demonstrate what it is they are talking about.

 

[This_person]

Of course I can't speak for all atheists, but the big diference between theists and atheists can really be summed up simply in that we disagree whether or not existence is driven by an overriding conciousness.

I agree, but I would add that what that does for providing meaning to life is a huge part of that difference.

Theists make the leap that there must be some higher thinking entity, whereas atheists see no reason to take this extra step; indeed, where the theist somehow sees taking this extra step as clarifying things, the atheist sees it as merely muddying them, and doing it without being able to demonstrate what it is they are talking about.

Neither side can "demonstrate" what they're talking about. It's a difference of where you apply your faith.

 

[wxtornado]

Neither side can "demonstrate" what they're talking about. It's a difference of where you apply your faith.

If we were talking about a creation vs evolution thing, I could certaily demonstrate my side, because there's no faith needed when it can be demonstrated.

 

[This_person]

If we were talking about a creation vs evolution thing, I could certaily demonstrate my side, because there's no faith needed when it can be demonstrated.

Did you get my answer regarding free will vs omniscience?



Actually, you can demonstrate some aspects of a theory of evolution, which are not in conflict with the theory of intelligent design, just different theories on the same evidence.

 

[wxtornado]

Did you get my answer regarding free will vs omniscience?

Yes, I saw it - thank you for your answer.

Actually, you can demonstrate some aspects of a theory of evolution, which are not in conflict with the theory of intelligent design, just different theories on the same evidence.

Indeed, some mechanisms of evolution wouldn't necessarily negate the possibility of a designer, I agree.

 

[This_person]

Yes, I saw it - thank you for your answer.

You're welcome. Do you understand what I was saying?

Indeed, some mechanisms of evolution wouldn't necessarily negate the possibility of a designer, I agree.

And, that's why I say the difference isn't really so much where we came from, or how, but what meaning that brings to human life.

Which brings me back to my question - why is your life worth more to anyone but you than a cat, or the hamburger you ate for lunch? (I don't know if you're a vegetarian or not, but you get my point)

Tommy says that it's the Golden Rule - Do unto others.... Which would mean we wouldn't really care unless it could effect us. You are more than aware of what the average theist believes makes mankind's life of higher value (the soul). My question is, what do you think?

 

[tommyjones]

You're welcome. Do you understand what I was saying?And, that's why I say the difference isn't really so much where we came from, or how, but what meaning that brings to human life.

Which brings me back to my question - why is your life worth more to anyone but you than a cat, or the hamburger you ate for lunch? (I don't know if you're a vegetarian or not, but you get my point)

Tommy says that it's the Golden Rule - Do unto others.... Which would mean we wouldn't really care unless it could effect us. You are more than aware of what the average theist believes makes mankind's life of higher value (the soul). My question is, what do you think?

thats not what the golden rule means at all......