Yet another victim

[RoseRed]

I've been making the trip from the base to Calvert every day since 2005. I've NEVER seen ANY cops do that in all that time. EVER. Not once. In fact, in the afternoons, you rarely see a cop on NB 235.

I have. I also had a ST follow me up 235 from Gate 3 until somewhere near WalMart when I lost her in traffic this afternoon.

 

[MiddleGround]

I've been making the trip from the base to Calvert every day since 2005. I've NEVER seen ANY cops do that in all that time. EVER. Not once. In fact, in the afternoons, you rarely see a cop on NB 235.

I spoke to co-worker yesterday when he came to the office for a visit (needed to get out of the house!). He had been traveling in the 3rd lane, but had gotten into the turn lane to go to WaWa for gas. He was only doing 20/25mph, certainly NOT speeding. The driver of the car was a 23y/o not paying attention.

Well, whatever their story was...... glad that they are ok.

 

[RoseRed]

Well, whatever their story was...... glad that they are ok.

Have you always been such a dick?

 

[MiddleGround]

Have you always been such a dick?

I just know BS when I hear it. So, if calling it out is being a dick then... YEP!

You see... the whole key to it being BS is the "I was doing 20-25MPH" That right there is a load of crap! NO ONE does 20-25 in that lane.... EVER!

 

[RoseRed]

I just know BS when I hear it. So, if calling it out is being a dick then... YEP!

You see... the whole key to it being BS is the "I was doing 20-25MPH" That right there is a load of crap! NO ONE does 20-25 in that lane.... EVER!

So says the expert. You must be guilty of doing the same thing then.

Ya know, there was another motorcycle accident last weekend. Where's your thread on that one? How about the dude on the black Harley that got sandwiched between a car a truck on 235 a couple of weeks ago? Hmmm???

 

[MiddleGround]

So says the expert.

Never said I was.

But, the retired state Trooper that I know whom I have discussed this with (including your friends explanation) says it stinks pretty bad! Says that your friend was probably doing 20-25MPH.... when they impacted the car. He guesses they were traveling at about 50-55MPH prior to braking just before the impact. Rough guess based on his experience and the pictures.

Plus, he would have also checked the bike's gas tank to see if there was really a need to "gas up." There are other things he would have asked the car driver as well.

You seem pretty adamant on sticking up for your "co-worker." Is there something there... :shrug:

 

[glhs837]

I just know BS when I hear it. So, if calling it out is being a dick then... YEP!

You see... the whole key to it being BS is the "I was doing 20-25MPH" That right there is a load of crap! NO ONE does 20-25 in that lane.... EVER!

Yeah, gonna call BS on nobody ever doing that. Most poeple are incredibly bad at judging speed, especially when there's a differential. To someone stopped, 20-25 looks like flying. Unless you can pace them, the odds of you accurately estimating thier speed is pretty close to nil. Thats why troopers use radar and laser guns.

 

[MiddleGround]

Yeah, gonna call BS on nobody ever doing that. Most poeple are incredibly bad at judging speed, especially when there's a differential. To someone stopped, 20-25 looks like flying. Unless you can pace them, the odds of you accurately estimating thier speed is pretty close to nil. Thats why troopers use radar and laser guns.

I'm gonna go ahead and rely on the ex-trooper that I know and his experience on this. I am pretty sure he knows what he is talking about.

On top of that.. I have done 20 in that lane to make a turn. I know how fast it "looks" and, unless they are about 100-200 feet away from their turn, there is NO WAY that most people are doing 20 MPH.

 

[black dog]

I'm gonna go ahead and rely on the ex-trooper that I know and his experience on this. I am pretty sure he knows what he is talking about.

On top of that.. I have done 20 in that lane to make a turn. I know how fast it "looks" and, unless they are about 100-200 feet away from their turn, there is NO WAY that most people are doing 20 MPH.

If his background and education isn't in accident reconstruction along with being court certified he's most likely way off with his opinions...

 

[MiddleGround]

If his background and education isn't in accident reconstruction along with being court certified he's most likely way off with his opinions...

Only 4 years. His last assignment prior to being medically retired due to being run over by someone trying to leave the scene.

 

[glhs837]

Wait, MG, is the "Nobody EVER does 20-25" in that lane your statement or your pet troopers? My point was that saying that as a blanket statement was BS.

 

[MiddleGround]

Wait, MG, is the "Nobody EVER does 20-25" in that lane your statement or your pet troopers? My point was that saying that as a blanket statement was BS.

That is MY statement. You NEVER see people doing 25 in that lane unless they are speeding up (becuase they just got into it to pass traffic) or they are slowing down (because they are arriving at their turn OR they are getting a good look for LEO because they are about to cross a turn-only intersection)

And all of this is in the context of the rush hour times as the OP was based on that.

Pet trooper.... funny! He thinks it's funny too

 

[black dog]

Only 4 years. His last assignment prior to being medically retired due to being run over by someone trying to leave the scene.

Then he would know that Facts are what prove what happened, opinions don't mean anything.. As soon as any investigator let's his or her opinions get into the way of Facts, that investigation is tainted..

And like you said, the troopers guess was just his opinion,
An investigation follows the evidence and facts until it reaches a conclusion..
. Guessing and opinions are not part of the investigation.

 

[RoseRed]

So says the expert. You must be guilty of doing the same thing then.

Ya know, there was another motorcycle accident last weekend. Where's your thread on that one? How about the dude on the black Harley that got sandwiched between a car a truck on 235 a couple of weeks ago? Hmmm???

You didn't address the above.

Never said I was.

But, the retired state Trooper that I know whom I have discussed this with (including your friends explanation) says it stinks pretty bad! Says that your friend was probably doing 20-25MPH.... when they impacted the car. He guesses they were traveling at about 50-55MPH prior to braking just before the impact. Rough guess based on his experience and the pictures.

Plus, he would have also checked the bike's gas tank to see if there was really a need to "gas up." There are other things he would have asked the car driver as well.

You seem pretty adamant on sticking up for your "co-worker." Is there something there... :shrug:

Well, your buddy wasn't there and neither were you. Go ahead and armchair quarterback all you want.

Nice deflection...

 

[MiddleGround]

Then he would know that Facts are what prove what happened, opinions don't mean anything.. As soon as any investigator let's his or her opinions get into the way of Facts, that investigation is tainted..

And like you said, the troopers guess was just his opinion,
An investigation follows the evidence and facts until it reaches a conclusion..
. Guessing and opinions are not part of the investigation.

Right... because we never ask someone who has experience in a field professionally what their opinion is and whether they think it is the truth.

 

[MiddleGround]

You didn't address the above.

I'm sorry. I mean, I know you are one of the people who has the tip of your nose firmly planted in the board mommy's azz crack but, I am unaware you have the powers to make choices on what others post about.

Well, your buddy wasn't there and neither were you. Go ahead and armchair quarterback all you want.

Nice deflection...

When it fits your agenda.. it is a reliable source providing facts. When it does not... it's "armchair quarterbacking." Now I see why you fit so well around here

 

[glhs837]

That is MY statement. You NEVER see people doing 25 in that lane unless they are speeding up (becuase they just got into it to pass traffic) or they are slowing down (because they are arriving at their turn OR they are getting a good look for LEO because they are about to cross a turn-only intersection)

And all of this is in the context of the rush hour times as the OP was based on that.

Pet trooper.... funny! He thinks it's funny too

And my point is that you simply cannot know what speeds people are travelling in that lane without a radar/laser gun or pacing them. But people do quite often enter that lane and hold a speed from down by Expedition all the way to WaWa. Might be 20, might be 40, but to say nobody travels it at 25 is incorrect. If traffic is stop and go, people might very well speed up to 25 and ride it until they cannot anymore.

 

[black dog]

Right... because we never ask someone who has experience in a field professionally what their opinion is and whether they think it is the truth.

You can laugh all you want, In a investigation facts and evidence is the truth.
. opinions don't mean sh!t... And the trooper would know that if truly he did accident reconstruction. Unless he was just a picture taker, or drove the van..

 

[MiddleGround]

And my point is that you simply cannot know what speeds people are travelling in that lane without a radar/laser gun or pacing them. But people do quite often enter that lane and hold a speed from down by Expedition all the way to WaWa. Might be 20, might be 40, but to say nobody travels it at 25 is incorrect. If traffic is stop and go, people might very well speed up to 25 and ride it until they cannot anymore.

You are wanting to argue somantics instead of addressing the point. This will go nowhere unless you want to address the point.

If the driver was in fact doing 0nly 20-25MPH on that motorcycle, his/her reaction time must have been piss poor OR they are lying about the speed. Unless the driver of the car directly pulled out with zero space then that motorcycle should have had enough time to slow down to a stop OR a speed that would not reflect the amount of impact indicated in the pictures. The amount of feet needed for that motorcycle to stop going 20-25MPH is about 10-15 feet if the brakes were applied forcefully.

Basically, either that car drove directly into the motorcycle OR the rider was going faster than 20-25MPH.

 

[MiddleGround]

You can laugh all you want, In a investigation facts and evidence is the truth.
. opinions don't mean sh!t... And the trooper would know that if truly he did accident reconstruction. Unless he was just a picture taker, or drove the van..

Especially the opinions of those who are professional in the subject huh?

Have you ever served jury duty? Ever heard a case where professionals were called to testify? Did you give them ZERO weight as you suggest here since they "weren't there at the time?"