Motorcyle crash, 2 killed. Makes my blood boil!
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how about being fair and make examples out of some of the riders as well.
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Lugnut
I'm Rick James #####!
Being plastered across some stupid broads car isn't enough of an example for you?
desertrat
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Course that was an 86.
My thoughts and prayers also go out to both families. No matter who was at fault legally or technically both families are devastated by this event. However, just a tidbit of legal insight for those who are wondering about pulling out in front of someone that is speeding and if it would be their fault or yours. In Maryland we have the "boulevard rule" meaning that the vehicle that is established on the road that you wish to enter has the right of way no matter if they are speeding or not. The driver who pulls out in front of someone that is already traveling on that roadway and is struck is at fault, no matter if the other driver was speeding or not.
bcp
In My Opinion
interesting.
My method is for cars, I figured it would be close for bikes. does your method take into account road surface types?
just wondering. 5mph difference between the two methods. I would certainly say that your method showing a decrease in speed of 46 mph hour and mine showing 53 and change are close enough to make an uneducated assumption that the bike was not going the speed of 40mph when the driver saw the car.
there is another equation that the police use to get over all speed based on impact data too.
thats why my guess is somewhere around 80 mph before the brakes were applied.
Beta84
They're out to get us
it would be pretty tough to hit 80 around there. plus the guy wasn't that irresponsible, i really don't see it happening. but who knows, i've been wrong about people before.
it does sorta suck that 2 people died and all you guys can do is play the blame game, especially when you're blaming them. kinda sucks, don't you think? people are already sad about it and you just have to poke the bear and make em feel so much better. Bravo! Well done everyone!
kwillia
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it does sorta suck that 2 people died and all you guys can do is play the blame game, especially when you're blaming them. kinda sucks, don't you think? people are already sad about it and you just have to poke the bear and make em feel so much better. Bravo! Well done everyone!
Go back and read the freakin' first post in this thread and just his stuff for starting the freakin' game. The intent and entire purpose of this thread was wrong, wrong, wrong
lovinmaryland
Well-Known Member
Go back and read the freakin' first post in this thread and just his stuff for starting the freakin' game. The intent and entire purpose of this thread was wrong, wrong, wrong
I am not getting involved... I just wanted to give you some
clevalley
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it would be pretty tough to hit 80 around there. plus the guy wasn't that irresponsible, i really don't see it happening. but who knows, i've been wrong about people before.
it does sorta suck that 2 people died and all you guys can do is play the blame game, especially when you're blaming them. kinda sucks, don't you think? people are already sad about it and you just have to poke the bear and make em feel so much better. Bravo! Well done everyone!
The majority of posters in this thread are saying "wait for the facts" Other discussions have spun off of the OP, just like any other time.
Start at page 1 and get back to us a bit later.
bcp
In My Opinion
The majority of posters in this thread are saying "wait for the facts" Other discussions have spun off of the OP, just like any other time.
Start at page 1 and get back to us a bit later.
waiting for the facts was not the intention when the original post put the blame on the driver of the car.
as far as the facts go, All Im saying is that if it is factual that there was a skid mark from the bike that was 180 ft in length before hitting, it would have been a decrease in speed (depending on whos math we look at) of 48 mph, or 53 mph. (physics,, fact) that leaves after that decrease, enough speed to cause the tragic death of two people, and the life long realization that she was involved in the accident for another.
nobody is saying, I bet it was the guy on the motorcycles fault, because thats how they all ride. We are simply putting numbers to information that was given on this thread.
now, even if he was speeding, does that clear all of the blame from the driver of the car without question? no. Now we are back to waiting for the police to come up with a report on the cause, or causes of the accident to see if it was avoidable on either persons part.
bcp
In My Opinion
thats what I was figuring.
I figured it at a roughly 75% braking from the front, leaving the back to go light, Depending on the weight of the riders, that number can change from 70 to well, 100 if the driver can maintain a hard stop on one wheel.
other than that, what assumptions are being made?
the number for the road is correct, the length of the skid is correct as far as this thread goes.
the only real guess is the actual differential between front and back.
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Beta84
They're out to get us
the first post was a lame way to start, i wasn't arguing that at all. it's just a really crappy thread altogether.Go back and read the freakin' first post in this thread and just his stuff for starting the freakin' game. The intent and entire purpose of this thread was wrong, wrong, wrong
The majority of posters in this thread are saying "wait for the facts" Other discussions have spun off of the OP, just like any other time.
Start at page 1 and get back to us a bit later.
I posted near the beginning, first off. So I've been reading through, since I knew the victims. Second, I know there were plenty of people saying "wait for the facts". Was I criticizing anyone that said that? No. But just because 10 people say "wait" and 5 people say "this person is the guilty party boo hiss" should nothing be said? That's a bad way to look at it.
If you didn't say anything wrong then why do you feel like my post affected you? Why get defensive if you merely said wait for the facts? I was criticizing people who were making a stupid bull#### argument out of an accident that took the lives of two people when there weren't any facts one way or the other. The person who started the thread was making a really poor assumption, but so were the people arguing on it one way or the other (if they tried to point fingers on who was to blame without knowing squat).
That's all. It's not hard. The fact that this thread is still open when other threads get deleted for wandering off topic or random banter is pretty pathetic. Doesn't say much for standards around here. There isn't anything much more insulting than arguing over whether some guy and his wife were at fault for their death because he was potentially speeding on his motorcycle. Or did I wake up in the twilight zone this morning?
bcp
In My Opinion
And just why does it have to be a woman?
cell phones and makeup,, known fact.
bcp
In My Opinion
and it set the tone for the rest of the thread.
nope you didnt wake up in the twilight zone, however, when the first thread totally blames the woman, and calls for serious punishment of her. well, at that point, (since some supposed facts were offered) it was nothing more than to point out that maybe, just maybe this woman is not totally to blame.
I missed the thread where you stuck up for the woman when this all started, I apologize for that.
Tilted
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I don't know any of the specifics of this accident and thus can't give an informed opinion about fault. However, generally speaking, motorcycle skid marks aren't as reliable an indication of speed as car skid marks are. So says a MSP accident investigator.
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aps45819
24/7 Single Dad
There are two in the morgue you can make examples of