You're right - stealing is far worse.
Most kids will turn into fornicating adults, but they are expected to not steal at any age. Therefore, when giving youth training, it's more important to teach them to not steal than to not have sex.
Age of consent
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You're right - stealing is far worse.
Most kids will turn into fornicating adults, but they are expected to not steal at any age. Therefore, when giving youth training, it's more important to teach them to not steal than to not have sex.
Honestly, I doubt the law would be dealing with my kids whatsoever because I'd be dealing with my kids. The law may be dealing with me for kicking their butts which I'm sure is some form of child abuse, especially if one of those butts doesn't belong to my flesh and blood.
Perhaps the first time they are caught they could get a warning and turned over to their parents, as they seem to do for first time offenders of a variety of "crimes". If they aren't using a condom, which could lead to venereal disease or pregnancy - either potentially costing the taxpayers money for meds, welfare, etc - then they'd have to go through some educational program like the drunks do when they're caught.
You used the term "moral decision". Isn't the decision whether or not to steal a moral decision? Doesn't the state regulate that?
Any time any of my children have wanted to step a little out of line I use the three prong argument - I say its wrong, God says its wrong, the law says its wrong. It's hard for them to weasel out of all three.
And also, I agree with Kwillia, that someone should be throwing a fit over the underage drinking that was going on. After all, that is on the books as illegal.
No, because stealing is non-consensual, and therefore goes beyond morality.
Pete
Repete
Pete
Repete
I don't either but I DO think there should be an age of consent that is firm. Also, because I am 99.99999999999999999999999999999% certain the only way a man of 18-20 could possibly say that they think there should be no age of consent at all, is to widen the playing field because they can't catch gazelles and need to try and chase down chicks who wear jellies.
Which would you rather 17 year old Boy do - steal or have sex?
Then I must be a raging child molestor as well, because I'm not convinced about ages of consent, either.
It's different for guys anyhow.
Chain729
CageKicker Extraordinaire
"Common law" means the judge said "I'm making my law or an exception to the law." So, back to my argument: I thought you didn't believe they should do that.
Pete
Repete
You must be :shrug:
Pete
Repete
Are we still talking about the comparison of Pixie's 5 year old stealing a peice of gum and banging a 14 year old?
I don't know why I found this funny, but it is.
K
kris31280
Guest
Darn you for making me get out my notes....
And if only my research paper were on Common Law and Age of Consent instead of criminal profiling...
"Common law defines current policing procedures. Children under the age of 7 have a conclusive presumption of incapacity, or basically stating they cannot commit crimes. Children ages 7-14 have a reliable presumption of incapacity, or basically stating that the closer to 7 they are the less likely they are to be charged with a crime while the closer to 14 they are they are more likely to be charged with the crime. Children over the age of 14 have no presumption of incapacity, which means they must absolutely be charged with the crime and, depending on the crime, may be tried as an adult."
Common law offically is: Early English law developed by judges that incorporated Anglo-Saxon customs. The crimes which fell under common law can be found using the acronym MrMrsLamb:
Murder
Rape
Manslaughter
Robbery
Sodomy
Larceny (theft)
Arson
Mayham (disfiguration)
Burglary
Any more questions in regards to my statement?
Larry Gude
Strung Out
And...
...isn't that the judges job? We're talking about differences in ages on the one hand but differences in maturity at the same age are also a factor are they not?
...isn't that the judges job? We're talking about differences in ages on the one hand but differences in maturity at the same age are also a factor are they not?
Larry Gude
Strung Out
Larry Gude
Strung Out
Yeah...
...in a literal sense, that's true. Some street tough 14 year old who has been around the block quite a few times isn't going to be harmed in any way by have consensual sex with a 32 year old.
But he should not consent. At that age he should be able to make the judgement that it is inappropriate and societally unacceptable to have sex with a 14 year. Even if he makes movies instead of driving trucks.
...in a literal sense, that's true. Some street tough 14 year old who has been around the block quite a few times isn't going to be harmed in any way by have consensual sex with a 32 year old.
But he should not consent. At that age he should be able to make the judgement that it is inappropriate and societally unacceptable to have sex with a 14 year. Even if he makes movies instead of driving trucks.
Pete
Repete
I would think it is the job of the legislature. :shrug: But now you are onto something that is hard to judge. Maybe instead of age we should assemble a panel of the greatest minds in psychology and sociology and have them develop a "Maturity Quotient" MQ test for short. Then instead of these draconian age based laws we can get down to the nitty gritty.
If your MQ is above a 100 you can bang anyone you want. If it is below 100 but over 90 you can bang someone else in the 90-100 range. Under 90 no banging at all.
We could test everyone from 10 years old and up every 2 years and issue them a card they must present to their potential partners for verification.
D
dems4me
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well just for chits and grins... here's my two cents, I was doing it at 14, 15, 16 and 17... never thought it was a crime, everyone was doing it, some folks were even getting pregnant that I ran with and dropped out of school. I never even really looked at it as a moral issue, then or now... 14 may be a little early but some 14 year olds are very, very mature 14 year olds. I don't see anything wrong with it if its "consensual" from an outsider point of view and I find it entirely legal and okay, but if it was my kid, I'd be very disappointed and not sure whether I'd punish or not, but I'd be sure to have the "safe sex" talk with the kid. :shrug: I think the oldest I dated when in highschool was a 21 year old that was in the Navy and I was 16 - I didn't see anything wrong with that either - that was a 5 year gap.
As for delineating this down to a specific age I really don't think you can set an age on it because all teenagers develop maturity at different speeds. Some kids grow up faster than other kids. And, its not like they are never going to have sex when they get older, they are just experiencing this at an earlier age - no one is at danger and there's no harm... just kids being kids and sex is prevalent on their minds when they fall in love or lust. :shrug: Its only natural to want to take things to the next level and you can't tell a kid what age is acceptable to fall in love, it just happens. :shrug: If you ask me its just a part of growing up, its not the end of the world. :shrug: Sex is sex, its not rape, stealing, etc... Also if you put too much emphasis as a parent and the government gets invovled too, then I think it may make the teenager want to defy it even more. :shrug:
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As for delineating this down to a specific age I really don't think you can set an age on it because all teenagers develop maturity at different speeds. Some kids grow up faster than other kids. And, its not like they are never going to have sex when they get older, they are just experiencing this at an earlier age - no one is at danger and there's no harm... just kids being kids and sex is prevalent on their minds when they fall in love or lust. :shrug: Its only natural to want to take things to the next level and you can't tell a kid what age is acceptable to fall in love, it just happens. :shrug: If you ask me its just a part of growing up, its not the end of the world. :shrug: Sex is sex, its not rape, stealing, etc... Also if you put too much emphasis as a parent and the government gets invovled too, then I think it may make the teenager want to defy it even more. :shrug:
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