Age of consent
- Thread starter Pete
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I voted 16..... Sorry I don't get it I guess.
If there's a 16 year old guy or girl dating someone younger it should not be a rape issue.
If your over the age of 18... Its on....
If your 17 then its hazy cause dudes still have their high school sweethearts who may be a grade younger.... I can't imagine 14 year olds having sex so it blows me away that the age was brought up.
I guess I'm behind the times a bit...
If there's a 16 year old guy or girl dating someone younger it should not be a rape issue.
If your over the age of 18... Its on....
If your 17 then its hazy cause dudes still have their high school sweethearts who may be a grade younger.... I can't imagine 14 year olds having sex so it blows me away that the age was brought up.
I guess I'm behind the times a bit...
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kris31280
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In all that, though... kids miss the one thing that's missing after you've had sex...well just for chits and grins... here's my two cents, I was doing it at 14, 15, 16 and 17... never thought it was a crime, everyone was doing it, some folks were even getting pregnant that I ran with and dropped out of school. I never even really looked at it as a moral issue, then or now... 14 may be a little early but some 14 year olds are very, very mature 14 year olds. I don't see anything wrong with it if its "consensual" from an outsider point of view and I find it entirely legal and okay, but if it was my kid, I'd be very disappointed and not sure whether I'd punish or not, but I'd be sure to have the "safe sex" talk with the kid. :shrug: I think the oldest I dated when in highschool was a 21 year old that was in the Navy and I was 16 - I didn't see anything wrong with that either - that was a 5 year gap.
As for delineating this down to a specific age I really don't think you can set an age on it because all teenagers develop maturity at different speeds. Some kids grow up faster than other kids. And, its not like they are never going to have sex when they get older, they are just experiencing this at an earlier age - no one is at danger and there's no harm... just kids being kids and sex is prevalent on their minds when they fall in love or lust. :shrug: Its only natural to want to take things to the next level and you can't tell a kid what age is acceptable to fall in love, it just happens. :shrug: If you ask me its just a part of growing up, its not the end of the world. :shrug: Sex is sex, its not rape, stealing, etc... Also if you put too much emphasis as a parent and the government gets invovled too, then I think it may make the teenager want to defy it even more. :shrug:
JMTC.... Flame and karma bomb away
Making out without the intent to fornicate. (it should be a different F word there)
How many people still make out simply for the sake of making out, without it leading to something more than maybe some making out and heavy petting?
Once you have sex, you lose all that.
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dems4me
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Well... as a teenager how many dates, weeks and months can you be expected to just keep doing the same ol' same ol' - making out and heavy petting without wanting to or actually taking it to the next level :shrug:
Larry Gude
Strung Out
They already did...
...their job is setting a statute, right? Then, there is a complaint, the cops get involved and make an arrest if they deem it appropriate and then a prosecutor makes his play and then the judge does his job, right?
If the law says X and has been violated and the judge says "I'm not sending this man to jail for having sex with this 14 year old because then I'd have to jail 1/2 the county", isn't that just?
Conversely, she's a virgin, he gave her alcohol, claims she consented, she claims she consented as she loves him so and mom and dad say 'like hell' then some sort of sanction would be just, yes?
...their job is setting a statute, right? Then, there is a complaint, the cops get involved and make an arrest if they deem it appropriate and then a prosecutor makes his play and then the judge does his job, right?
If the law says X and has been violated and the judge says "I'm not sending this man to jail for having sex with this 14 year old because then I'd have to jail 1/2 the county", isn't that just?
Conversely, she's a virgin, he gave her alcohol, claims she consented, she claims she consented as she loves him so and mom and dad say 'like hell' then some sort of sanction would be just, yes?
Larry Gude
Strung Out
I disagree...
...there are no 'mature' 14 year olds. There are 14 year olds that are far more mature than others, but still not 'adult perspective and decision making process' mature AND there are 14 year olds more mature than some adults.
Again, this is the role of the judge!
...there are no 'mature' 14 year olds. There are 14 year olds that are far more mature than others, but still not 'adult perspective and decision making process' mature AND there are 14 year olds more mature than some adults.
Again, this is the role of the judge!
aps45819
24/7 Single Dad
There's a little hottie waiting at the bus stop when you go to work, isn't there?
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kris31280
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I think it comes down to a respect thing. If you respect sex for what it is, instead of going on pure sensation, you're more likely to wait.
I waited a year... so I made out and had heavy petting for a year before it got taken to the next level. It started with oral and then within 2 weeks of that it was full on intercourse.
cattitude
My Sweetest Boy
cattitude
My Sweetest Boy
You mean 4 "non-effing" years, right?
Yeah. I thought about that when I typed it. And then I was... "this is it?"
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kris31280
Guest
HA... do think that's because we're women and it's not exactly plesant the first time we get down to business?Yeah. I thought about that when I typed it. And then I was... "this is it?"
Pete
Repete
I don't know if a judge can say "the grand jury set down a bill of indictment but I am not trying this because the punishment the legislature mandates is stupid."
The better argument is against mandatory sentences.
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dems4me
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Larry Gude
Strung Out
Then...
...I misunderstood you; I thought your whole argument was a clear law. Was Wilson's sentence mandatory?
...I misunderstood you; I thought your whole argument was a clear law. Was Wilson's sentence mandatory?
aps45819
24/7 Single Dad
Yes
The backward ass state of Georgia has a mandatory 10 year sentence for aggravated child molestation, which is what this kid was convicted of.
What we're arguing about is whether one can realistically call a 15 year old voluntary bj-giver a "child", and if her 17 year old classmate is now a child molestor because he accepted her offer.
Well, you're batting 1000 today because I disagree with that as well.
I think it's reasonable to impose a mandatory 10 year jail sentence on a REAL child molestor. It's considering a 17 year old kid a child molestor, when he accepts oral sex from a 15 year old, that I have a problem with.
Pete
Repete
Yes which is why the DA offered a plea deal numerous times. Even AFTER sentencing he was offered a plea deal which would have gotten him out of jail. How often do you hear of a plea deal AFTER being convicted and AFTER being sentenced? I believe that no one wanted to put Wilson in jail for 10 years but his insistence that he not be registered a sexual predator left them no choice.
Yes it was a mandatory 10 years. It was a miscarriage of justice for him to get 10 years. It was a cluster fluck of legislation that led to an unfortunate series of events.
Regardless I STILL believe that it is in the best interest of the state to have a law that clearly states the age of consent and if you violate that law you suffer the consequences.
Larry Gude
Strung Out
I already voted...
...no.
As I read it, the 'aggravated' part was BECAUSE that is what they consider a bj in Georgia and if the two had simply had intercourse he would have been guilty of a misdemeanor.
So, intercourse; misdemeanor. Oral sex; aggravated.
That's like giving you a $25 ticket for jay walking and 10 years for spitting on the sidewalk.
...no.
As I read it, the 'aggravated' part was BECAUSE that is what they consider a bj in Georgia and if the two had simply had intercourse he would have been guilty of a misdemeanor.
So, intercourse; misdemeanor. Oral sex; aggravated.
That's like giving you a $25 ticket for jay walking and 10 years for spitting on the sidewalk.