Age of consent
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Larry Gude
Strung Out
Yeah but...
...some plea; be a registered sex offender AND you can't live at home BECAUSE we consider what you did a serious offense.
I think it is fine to have laws and then, as I used to understand it, a judge then says 'you get the full sanction or partial or I'm throwing this out.'
If the age of consent was 16 in this case, from what we are told, this is a perfect case for the judge to say;
"Bailiff, whack his pee pee." And send him on his way.
...some plea; be a registered sex offender AND you can't live at home BECAUSE we consider what you did a serious offense.
I think it is fine to have laws and then, as I used to understand it, a judge then says 'you get the full sanction or partial or I'm throwing this out.'
If the age of consent was 16 in this case, from what we are told, this is a perfect case for the judge to say;
"Bailiff, whack his pee pee." And send him on his way.
Pete
Repete
Well, how unreasonable of him to not want to be registered as a sexual predator.
Well you just go then Ms. Mandella and sit in a nasty dank Reidsville prison playing the martyr card for 10 years when you could be out and free and use legal means to fight to get your name off the list.
Larry Gude
Strung Out
You don't think...
...this kid is a freaking hero for standing up for what he believes in which is also the correct position?
Well you just go then Ms. Mandella and sit in a nasty dank Reidsville prison playing the martyr card for 10 years when you could be out and free and use legal means to fight to get your name off the list.
...this kid is a freaking hero for standing up for what he believes in which is also the correct position?
Pete
Repete
I don't understand a word you said.
Larry Gude
Strung Out
I think he is. I'm sure his parents had a lot to do with it in supporting him, because he must have been thoroughly intimidated and scared ####less.
There are an awful lot of kids who would have just pled out, but this kid stood up to the idiots and got a repressive and stupid law changed.
QUOTE=dems4me;2451515]well just for chits and grins... here's my two cents, I was doing it at 14, 15, 16 and 17... never thought it was a crime, everyone was doing it, some folks were even getting pregnant that I ran with and dropped out of school. I never even really looked at it as a moral issue, then or now... 14 may be a little early but some 14 year olds are very, very mature 14 year olds. I don't see anything wrong with it if its "consensual" from an outsider point of view and I find it entirely legal and okay, but if it was my kid, I'd be very disappointed and not sure whether I'd punish or not, but I'd be sure to have the "safe sex" talk with the kid. :shrug: I think the oldest I dated when in highschool was a 21 year old that was in the Navy and I was 16 - I didn't see anything wrong with that either - that was a 5 year gap.
As for delineating this down to a specific age I really don't think you can set an age on it because all teenagers develop maturity at different speeds. Some kids grow up faster than other kids. And, its not like they are never going to have sex when they get older, they are just experiencing this at an earlier age - no one is at danger and there's no harm... just kids being kids and sex is prevalent on their minds when they fall in love or lust. :shrug: Its only natural to want to take things to the next level and you can't tell a kid what age is acceptable to fall in love, it just happens. :shrug: If you ask me its just a part of growing up, its not the end of the world. :shrug: Sex is sex, its not rape, stealing, etc... Also if you put too much emphasis as a parent and the government gets invovled too, then I think it may make the teenager want to defy it even more. :shrug:
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I would and have talked repeatedly with my 16 y.o. about waiting, respecting yourself, yada, yada, yada.
As for delineating this down to a specific age I really don't think you can set an age on it because all teenagers develop maturity at different speeds. Some kids grow up faster than other kids. And, its not like they are never going to have sex when they get older, they are just experiencing this at an earlier age - no one is at danger and there's no harm... just kids being kids and sex is prevalent on their minds when they fall in love or lust. :shrug: Its only natural to want to take things to the next level and you can't tell a kid what age is acceptable to fall in love, it just happens. :shrug: If you ask me its just a part of growing up, its not the end of the world. :shrug: Sex is sex, its not rape, stealing, etc... Also if you put too much emphasis as a parent and the government gets invovled too, then I think it may make the teenager want to defy it even more. :shrug:
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[/QUOTE] I would and have talked repeatedly with my 16 y.o. about waiting, respecting yourself, yada, yada, yada.
Pete
Repete
I can't answer this question because to me it has no good answer. First of all just because YOU think it was the correct position does not make it so. There are a bunch of people and legislatures who have age of consent laws and they are strictly enforced and most of the people snagged and jailed are real scuzzbuckets.
In this case it is arguable if the kid is a scuzzbucket but there is no arguing that 10 years for getting a hummer from a 15 year old is not justice.
Assuming Wilson in the most favorable light yea I suppose he is a hero of sorts. I have a problem calling him a hero because in my opinion, an opinion shared by the legislature of Georgia and 48 other states in the USA and over half the poll votes here engaging in sex or sexual acts with someone under 16 is wrong and he did that.
I am also not too keen in calling him a hero considering the circumstances. Video, getting off one drunk chick and then getting blown by a 15 year old while being taped does not equate to the traits of a "hero" to me.
For Vrai, "I do not think Wilson is a child molester"
Do you support him being convicted and sentenced to 10 years in jail for child molestation?
Pete
Repete
For the love of.............well me,
For the 50th effing time. NO, 10 years was an inappropriate sentence.Getting back to this poll
I DO believe that there should be an age of consent, it should be hard and fast, there should be a punishment and if it hurts someones feelings because someone got snagged to effing bad.
There is a compelling public interest to protect kids from predators and to deter minors from sexual behavior.
Dymphna
Loyalty, Friendship, Love
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying you were wrong in what you said about people accepting the consequences of their actions. And I'm all for the idea that if you have children, you need to take care of them yourself and not pawn them off on someone else...
However, not everyone sees it that way. The same people who are resigned to the idea that "they're gonna do it anyway" are the same ones who are/will be raising their grandchildren because they don't expect their teenage children to understand and accept responsibility for the consequences of their sexual behavior.
Through their resignation, they teach their children that if they must face early parenthood as a consequence of their actions, then Mom and Dad will be there to help them through it...which is nice and supportive and all that, which in its way shows love and support of their children...BUT fails to teach them how to grow into responsible adults, it fails to help their children realize their full potential because they haven't had time to grow into adulthood before having to deal with adult decisions and issues.
For the love of.............well me,
Then what are you arguing about?
If you do not believe this kid is a child molester, and you do not think 10 years is an appropriate punishment for teen sex, then what is your point?????
Because THAT is what we're talking about here:
A 17 year old kid who engaged in sex with a 15 year old, and was convicted as a child molester and sentenced to 10 years.
IF you do not think he is a child molester, AND you do not think what he did was worth 10 years in jail, then DO YOU believe that the conviction and sentenced imposed on this young man by the Georgia judicial system was wrong and the law is stupid?????
?????????!!!!!!!
Dymphna
Loyalty, Friendship, Love
A "mature" 14-yo isn't having sex "because everyone else is doing it." A mature 14-yo is the one who chooses not to have sex because he or she has enough forsight to see that having a baby or getting an STD will change their lives forever in ways they really aren't prepared to deal with.
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dems4me
Guest
What if she's in love :shrug: Do you think that a mature 14 year old can't really be in love because he/she's too young :shrug: Or do you think its infatuation at that age? 15? 16? 17? 18?
What if its making love and not sex would that change your opinion any :shrug:
BTW, you can have "enough forsight" to use protection so you don't get an STD or a baby.
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kwillia
n/a
No.... no... no, Dems... I do not think an 8th/9th grader is ever mature enough to be in "adult love". Thse new feelings of infatuation, of being wanted are all a part of the growing process. To automatically assume these budding feelings are "the real deal" at the tender age of 14/15 presumptuous to say the least.
Dymphna
Loyalty, Friendship, Love
Oh God...are we gonna get into "what is love?" I sure hope not because that's a whole lot more complicated than teenage sex. But tell me this, how many of those 14-yos you knew are still "in love" with each other now that they are 30-somethings... if they aren't now, they never really were.What if she's in love :shrug: Do you think that a mature 14 year old can't really be in love because he/she's too young :shrug: Or do you think its infatuation at that age? 15? 16? 17? 18?
What if its making love and not sex would that change your opinion any :shrug:
BTW, you can have "enough forsight" to use protection so you don't get an STD or a baby.
I think it is possible for a 14-yo to fall in true love, but it is EXTREMELY rare, because few of them have the maturity level to feel such an unselfish feeling. I think it much more likely for a person that young to idealize the idea of love and they can certainly feel lust, which is often mistaken for love.
An immature 14-yo may act on what he or she perceives as love, but a mature 14-yo will recognize that it is best to wait, love or not, because of the potential consequences. And if they truly "love" this other person, they won't want to limit that person's future by forcing them to accept the responsibilities of parenthood too soon because they were too horny to stop themselves.
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dems4me
Guest
What age do you say it goes beyond infatuation to wanting to move onto the next step :shrug: And how long do you think they should stay in this step of handholding, kissing and petting before taking the next step:shrug:
kwillia
n/a
Well, considering the fact that girls aren't done with puberty until at least 4 years from the onset and boys have at least 6 years from the onset... I'd say they aren't done growing and maturing enough until at least then. By then, they may actually be mature enough to avoid thinking sex defines a relationship.
Truth be told... a loving, growing relationship does not have to be defined by sex acts. IMO, the more mature one is, the more they understand this to be true.
Dymphna
Loyalty, Friendship, Love
When they can ask themselves, "what if I get (get her) pregnant?" and can answer that with, "I have a source of income to support a child. I have the ability to care for a child, even if this other person turns out to be a loser and bails on me and I am prepared to be connected to this person on some level through that child for the rest of my life."
The rest of you can keep your pants on.