Another Biker Killed by a Dumbazz

pixiegirl

Cleopatra Jones
Ah, yes, but SHE gets to live. This isn't a fender bender, or a little boo boo. She Killed a man. "some sort of restitution to the family " How do you make Daddy come back, or son, husband, brother. There is no restitution possible, only punishment.

If a person can go to jail for not making child support payments, not paying taxes, marijuana, copying DVD's etc..., how about for KILLING a person?


If a person can go to jail for not making child support payments, not paying taxes, marijuana, copying DVD's etc...
These are all intentional acts.

So punish her by sending her to jail. What if she has a family, children? Should they also be punished because of a mistake? Hasn't enough damage already been done without hurting other people as well. Two wrongs do not make a right. I'm not saying she should not have to be punished but extreme is extreme no matter what color you try to paint it.
 

MMDad

Lem Putt
Accidents do happen. But REALaccidents are incredibly rare. Most "accidents" are directly attributed to a lack of attention or negligence.

Yes, but the crime takes "gross negligence." What did you see in the story that leads you to believe it was "gross negligence?"

If there was "gross negligence" don't you think the story would say something like "Stoned Woman Kills Biker" or "Reckless Driver Kills Biker"?

Don't you think the cops would have charged her if there actually was "gross negligence?"
 
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toppick08

Guest
Oh, for cryin' out loud. If daddy was that concerned about not being there for his family he should have kept his ass off the motorcycle. Anyone who rides a bike has to know the odds are against them every time they get on one.

:popcorn:.this should be good........
 

Lugnut

I'm Rick James #####!
Because we're all perfect drivers and no one here has EVER made a mistake. Good Lord.... The woman already has to live with the fact that her mistake cost a man his life. I'm not saying she shouldn't be fined or have to pay some sort of restitution to the family but manslaughter?

Manslaughter is the unlawful killing of another person without malice or premeditation. That covers what she did. So yes, I think she should be charged with manslaughter as well as negligent driving and failure to yield.

As for living with the fact that she's killed another human being, I'm sure she'll recover in time. He on the other hand will not.
 

ylexot

Super Genius
BTW, here's the area in question. The motorcycle would have come in off of rt 3 and the Toyota would be coming out of the large parking area and turning left.
 

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aps45819

24/7 Single Dad
Accidents do happen. But REAL accidents are incredibly rare. Most "accidents" are directly attributed to a lack of attention or negligence.

Last session of the MD assembly, they chose not to make killing a person with a car a crime if you're sober. (They were worried about Ted Kennedy driving through on his way to their Palm Beach compound.) She'll get a $50 failure to yield ticket. It will be up to the man's family to pursue punishment in civil court.
 
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Toreadoralpha

Guest
Oh, for cryin' out loud. If daddy was that concerned about not being there for his family he should have kept his ass off the motorcycle. Anyone who rides a bike has to know the odds are against them every time they get on one.

Oh, so now its the dead man's fault this cunning stunt killed him?

She FAILED to Yield the RIGHT OF WAY. He had the RIGHT to be there. She did not have the RIGHT to KILL him.

Please turn in your driver's license right away, you are obviously too stupid to drive as well.
 

Vince

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Of course it matters. If there was a light, and she had a green, then she had the right of way. That's why I'm saying the article is too vaque.
If she had the green, then he had a red light and should have stopped, but the article did not mention any stop lights.
 

pixiegirl

Cleopatra Jones
Manslaughter is the unlawful killing of another person without malice or premeditation. That covers what she did. So yes, I think she should be charged with manslaughter as well as negligent driving and failure to yield.

As for living with the fact that she's killed another human being, I'm sure she'll recover in time. He on the other hand will not.

Look, I like bikes just as much as the next person and personally want one BUT you have to assume some risk when you get on one. She should be charged with failure to yield, not manslaughter nor negligent driving as the article says nothing of her being negligent. Chances are had the man been in a car he's have had a better chance of survival and this would be nothing more than a local fender bender not even making the news. It was an ACCIDENT, let's not crucify the lady.
 

MMDad

Lem Putt
BTW, here's the area in question. The motorcycle would have come in off of rt 3 and the Toyota would be coming out of the large parking area and turning left.

I was thinking it was the intersection just east of that shot, since that's the road mentioned in the article.
 

BS Gal

Voted Nicest in 08
From the ABATE Website...... didn't pass AGAIN. :banghead:

Legislative Alert March 11, 2006 - HB 1383/SB 429 - Right-of-Way - Penalties for Failure to Yield

The House of Delegates version of this bill will be heard on March 14, 2006 in the Environmental Matters Committee hearing room at 1 pm. The Senate version of the bill was heard on February 16, 2006.

The right-of-way violation penalties bill provides for increased penalties for right-of-way violations when the violation contributes to an accident that results in bodily injury or death of an another person.

Under current law, the penalty for violating the right-of-way of another vehicle is $60 and one point against the offenders' license. Even when a right-of-way violation is combined with another charge like negligent driving, the maximum fines and penalties for both charges would be $630 and seven points.

In many accidents of this nature, law enforcement and the courts cannot justify a higher charge that would include more severe penalties and the violators are given only minimal fines and penalties. This bill seeks to give the courts the tools they need to penalize violators appropriately when serious injury or death occurs.
 

aps45819

24/7 Single Dad
Oh, for cryin' out loud. If daddy was that concerned about not being there for his family he should have kept his ass off the motorcycle. Anyone who rides a bike has to know the odds are against them every time they get on one.

Why? Because you feel it's more important to put on make up, read, talk0r text on your cell than pay attention to what your doing when you're piloting 2 tons of steel at a velocity that covers a mile every minute?

If I was this guys family, first thing I'd request my lawyer to do is subpoena her cell phone records. If she was yackking on the phone , it would help convince a jury she was negligent.
 

mAlice

professional daydreamer
Why? Because you feel it's more important to put on make up, read, talk0r text on your cell than pay attention to what your doing when you're piloting 2 tons of steel at a velocity that covers a mile every minute?

If I was this guys family, first thing I'd request my lawyer to do is subpoena her cell phone records. If she was yackking on the phone , it would help convince a jury she was negligent.


GFY. Get back to me when you see me doing any of the above.
 
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Toreadoralpha

Guest
If a person can go to jail for not making child support payments, not paying taxes, marijuana, copying DVD's etc...
These are all intentional acts.

So punish her by sending her to jail. What if she has a family, children? Should they also be punished because of a mistake? Hasn't enough damage already been done without hurting other people as well. Two wrongs do not make a right. I'm not saying she should not have to be punished but extreme is extreme no matter what color you try to paint it.

Extreme is Killing a person. Going to jail for Killing a person is not extreme, it's a very small inconvience compared to ... oh.... say... being dead. If she has children then she should be able to have them visit her in jail and explain to them that Mommy killed a man and is being punished for it!
 

pixiegirl

Cleopatra Jones
Extreme is Killing a person. Going to jail for Killing a person is not extreme, it's a very small inconvience compared to ... oh.... say... being dead. If she has children then she should be able to have them visit her in jail and explain to them that Mommy killed a man and is being punished for it!

Ok why don't we all take a deep breath and go look them both up on the MD case search and see if either has a history of negligent driving, dui or such....

Oh wait! Nothing on her. He had drugs, driving on drugs, and driving on a suspended license.

But let's all hang her up off the get! The police haven't charged her because there is obviously nothing thus far to charge. There are plenty of cops that drive bikes and I'm sure are plenty sympathetic to a fallen rider BUT you can't just jump the gun because of an ACCIDENT.
 

Lugnut

I'm Rick James #####!
Oh, for cryin' out loud. If daddy was that concerned about not being there for his family he should have kept his ass off the motorcycle. Anyone who rides a bike has to know the odds are against them every time they get on one.

Wow... You're just one banana peel away aren't ya? :lmao:


No, it is not. Not in Maryland. It requires "gross negligence" which is not present in the article.

Where did you find your definition? Everything I've looked at for "Manlaughter" and "gross negligence" appears to cover her actions.
 

BS Gal

Voted Nicest in 08
GFY. Get back to me when you see me doing any of the above.

See, I don't do any of those things, either, but until I started riding a bike, I was not as conscious of bikes as I am now. I really look for bikes now. I am not defending the woman, but even as a rider and being VERY conscientious, it can be easy to not see a bike.
 
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