Another Biker Killed by a Dumbazz

[LateApex]

I fractured C-1 and only by the grace of God wasn't paralyzed. It's not like I'm unsympathetic to the victim.

This lady has not been charged therefore there must be extenuating factors. There are a lot of assumptions in this thread.

Not necessarily.

It's SOP to not charge someone with a vehicular crime especially when someone has died.

*edit*

Until they are certain what happened...

I'm sure forensics is taking a look at it...

It's logical to assume in this case - by reading the article - that there is a high probability that the lady is at fault.

If the story were spun the other way it would have said:

"motorcyclist turns into path of oncoming vehicle..."

 

[Toreadoralpha]

You've never, ever had a close call or a fender bender that was your fault? For the record, I haven't but I won't assume that I'm above it either. People make mistakes. I'd rather the jails be filled with real criminals.

She did not see an oncoming vehicle and thus did not yield the right of way. Your words there... Negligent would be seeing the vehicle and "trying to make it". So your assumption there just favored her in that she did not see it. This whole point is mute because neither you nor I was in the car.

Go back and read sugar, I said she SHOULD be punished just not crucified.

Jail does not equal crucified. As for real criminal, she killed a man, she didn't sell him a joint.

 

[itsbob]

All of the above could be true.

It doesn't change the fact that the woman drove into the path of the motorcyclist...

And then you are back to ..

You KNOW they're out there to kill you, what are you doing to prevent it??

It happens every day, someone is ALWAYS pulling out in front of somebody else.. most times it's a CAR they didn't see, but nobody dies.. how do you expect them to see a BIKE 100% of the time??

It was not her intent to pull out in front of this biker, and I doubt it was her intent to kill someone that day. Sucks to be him, sucks even more to be his family, but bottom line.. where's the intent?

 

[Dye Tied]

I'm assuming he had loud(er) pipes.. and she never said.. "I didn't hear him" she said "I didn't see him."..

Being obnoxiously loud does not save lives, it just pisses off the neighbors.

Who said obnoxious? Loud is not always deafening. There are cars with loud pipes too. It's testosterone fueled, I guess.

I have seen where just revving it up caused someone to hear the noise over their phone and/or radio and caused them to see someone was already in that lane.

Yep, he's dead and she has the violation. Nothing will change those 2 facts.

 

[Lugnut]

where's the intent?

No intent, no crime then?



That would NOT be a good thing.

 

[pixiegirl]

Jail does not equal crucified. As for real criminal, she killed a man, she didn't sell him a joint.

Really, because if I went to jail I'd likely lose my clearance and my job and my house and my car, etc.

She did not KILL a man. She unintentionally caused his death and there is a difference.

Now you want to argue what a real crime is, how about MURDER, RAPE, CHILD MOLESTATION, etc. She didn't sell him a joint but someone did.

 

[LateApex]

And then you are back to ..

You KNOW they're out there to kill you, what are you doing to prevent it??

It happens every day, someone is ALWAYS pulling out in front of somebody else.. most times it's a CAR they didn't see, but nobody dies.. how do you expect them to see a BIKE 100% of the time??

It was not her intent to pull out in front of this biker, and I doubt it was her intent to kill someone that day. Sucks to be him, sucks even more to be his family, but bottom line.. where's the intent?

I'm sure she wasn't trying to kill anyone.

But it's your responsibility everyday you get into your vehicle that you are aware of everything around you when you're driving.

That's why we have laws that govern use of vehicles.

That's why you take classes and take a test to drive.

 

[BS Gal]

I'm assuming he had loud(er) pipes.. and she never said.. "I didn't hear him" she said "I didn't see him."..

Being obnoxiously loud does not save lives, it just pisses off the neighbors.

I live to piss off my neighbors.

 

[LateApex]

Really, because if I went to jail I'd likely lose my clearance and my job and my house and my car, etc.

She did not KILL a man. She unintentionally caused his death and there is a difference.

Now you want to argue what a real crime is, how about MURDER, RAPE, CHILD MOLESTATION, etc. She didn't sell him a joint but someone did.

I hear where you're coming from...

But if she is found negligent then she did kill a man.

I always ALWAYS wait a few seconds before going on a green light just in case that person not paying attention or thinking they can make the light blows through...

 

[itsbob]

No intent, no crime then?



That would NOT be a good thing.

That's the basis of our laws.. now if you were doing something like robbing a bank.. then the saying goes.. "Intent follows the bullet." If she was robbing a bank when she pulled out in front of him it would be murder.. BUT she wasn't in the process of comitting a felony, she violated a traffic law ...unintentionally.

 

[pixiegirl]

Not necessarily.

It's SOP to not charge someone with a vehicular crime especially when someone has died.

*edit*

Until they are certain what happened...

I'm sure forensics is taking a look at it...

It's logical to assume in this case - by reading the article - that there is a high probability that the lady is at fault.

If the story were spun the other way it would have said:

"motorcyclist turns into path of oncoming vehicle..."

I don't disagree that she was at fault at all. I disagree with the masses stringing her up for an accident.

 

[toppick08]

I live to piss off my neighbors.

...me too

 

[BS Gal]

I hear where you're coming from...

But if she is found negligent then she did kill a man.

I always ALWAYS wait a few seconds before going on a green light just in case that person not paying attention or thinking they can make the light blows through...

I always make sure there is plenty of room before I pull onto a road that has the right of way in case I kill the bike

 

[aps45819]

Motorcyclist was wearing a helmet.. what kind of helmet? Where was it at the accident scene, still on his head? Was it a real helmet at all? Or did he buy the DOT sticker at the dealer to put on his nice shiny novelty helmet?

I often wonder what type of helmet a dead or brain damaged motorcyclist was wearing after you hear about somebody running over them. Salad bowl, half, open face or full face? DOT, Snell, the Euro standard or it looks cool? If this guy hit the front fender, odds are he went flying over the SUV. Did his head hit the car or were his fatal injurys caused by impacting the highway face first?

 

[LateApex]

I don't disagree that she was at fault at all. I disagree with the masses stringing her up for an accident.

If she were negligent then it can't be considered and accident.

Shouldn't you be working?

 

[itsbob]

Bottom line.. it was an accident..

And every single one of us on a bike knows the risks.. knows it's OUR responsibility to make it home safe everyday.

Hopefully you know to think like EVERYONE is out to get you, and EVERYONE is trying to kill you.. and hopefully we all make it home safe everyday.

Like mountain climbing.. skydiving and any other sport, it all comes with risk, and when you turn the key on the bike, you the rider have accepted those risks.

I hope nobody ever pulls out in front of me but I NEVER assume someone isn't..

 

[pixiegirl]

If she were negligent then it can't be considered and accident.

Shouldn't you be working?

Tomorrow is my last day.

If she was distracted by something it was negligent. The article mentioned "failing to yield right of way" nothing about negligent driving.

 

[itsbob]

I often wonder what type of helmet a dead or brain damaged motorcyclist was wearing after you hear about somebody running over them. Salad bowl, half, open face or full face? DOT, Snell, the Euro standard or it looks cool? If this guy hit the front fender, odds are he went flying over the SUV. Did his head hit the car or were his fatal injurys caused by impacting the highway face first?

That's what I'm asking..

How do people learn from other's mistakes, if we aren't provided enough details to make knowledgeable decisions?

 

[aps45819]

I'm assuming he had loud(er) pipes.. and she never said.. "I didn't hear him" she said "I didn't see him."..

Being obnoxiously loud does not save lives, it just pisses off the neighbors.

Please step off the soapbox

 

[Toreadoralpha]

Really, because if I went to jail I'd likely lose my clearance and my job and my house and my car, etc.

She did not KILL a man. She unintentionally caused his death and there is a difference.

Now you want to argue what a real crime is, how about MURDER, RAPE, CHILD MOLESTATION, etc. She didn't sell him a joint but someone did.

She did kill him, she did not murder him. He didn't just lose a clearance, house, job, car, etc.. He lost his life due to her negligence. If it was intentional then it would be murder. He didn't lose stuff, or a way of life, he lost his life. Her punishment should be more than just a few dollars and maybe a guilty conscience.