Local Business Charlotte Hall- Do you want them to build apartments there???

glhs837

Power with Control
Nope, this forum isn't doing squat to help your community. Your views on "helping" are rather skewed also. You say you want to leave, but yet, you are championing the cause for rapid growth. There is a self serving interest that you aren't being upfront about.


Well, it's only the specific growth he wants, not any other growth :)
 
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Gilligan

#*! boat!
PREMO Member
Golden Beach Diner and that nasty BBQ House? Hensons converted to a bar and House of Ribs into St. Mary's Landing. What 2 were you thinking of?

LOL. I remember way back when House of Ribs was so on top of their game that we would travel all the way from Piney Point to eat there. And they were going to open up a new location in Piney Point at one time too.
 

fatratcat

Member
Ah, so close, you were, remeber what I said about income levels? And your response was this........



Well, then there's this..........



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunkirk,_Maryland

So yes, you might approach the density, but they have double or better on income.

So you lose the point on population density and then shift to income. The last census is now going on 7 years old. I am certain that since the new houses all cost more than 400K the folks moving into them will raise the median income for the next one in 2020. The point of planning is to look ahead not behind.
 

fatratcat

Member
LOL. I remember way back when House of Ribs was so on top of their game that we would travel all the way from Piney Point to eat there. And they were going to open up a new location in Piney Point at one time too.

I miss the CH House of Ribs. Unfortunately, St. Mary's Landing is run down inside and the food is pretty bad. Judging from their ceiling tiles, the roof leaks pretty bad. It's a shame. That location has good potential.
 

fatratcat

Member
Nope, this forum isn't doing squat to help your community. Your views on "helping" are rather skewed also. You say you want to leave, but yet, you are championing the cause for rapid growth. There is a self serving interest that you aren't being upfront about.

It appears your agenda is no sewer in CH. Looks like I'm not the only self-serving one. My agenda is clear. Smart growth focusing on retail and restaurants rather than low end apartments. I want things that add value to CH not things that drag it down. You seem to be advocating dragging it down. It begs the question, do you even live in or near CH? I bring this up because you challenged my right to speak my mind about matters impacting the community I live in.
 

PeoplesElbow

Well-Known Member
It appears your agenda is no sewer in CH. Looks like I'm not the only self-serving one. My agenda is clear. Smart growth focusing on retail and restaurants rather than low end apartments. I want things that add value to CH not things that drag it down. You seem to be advocating dragging it down. It begs the question, do you even live in or near CH? I bring this up because you challenged my right to speak my mind about matters impacting the community I live in.

He did not challenge your right to speak your mind, he challenged what you spoke as being stupid. There is a difference.
 

glhs837

Power with Control
Sorry, but places with silly income levels aside, like high end restaurants and shopping happen where there is a higher population density. I'm open to examples of that happening without either population density or silly income levels.

The median hh income for CH is about 51K. Let's start with my top 3 potential retirement spots: 1. Lititz, PA- median income about 40K. Safe nice shops, walkable, and good restaurants and bakeries. Harrisonburg VA- Median hh income about 38k. Nice shops, reatil, and restuarants. 3. Havre de Grace MD- Median hh income about 41 k. No restaurants, shops, and parks. They can do it with a lot less affluence, so could CH.

So you lose the point on population density and then shift to income. The last census is now going on 7 years old. I am certain that since the new houses all cost more than 400K the folks moving into them will raise the median income for the next one in 2020. The point of planning is to look ahead not behind.

Actually, I started with both density and "silly income levels". I pointed out that places with similar income levels you pointed to had much higher population density. You then shifted to a place with a similar population density and ignored the income, which is the "silly income levels" I mentioned before. You can have the density or the income draw the high end places you want. Gonna need a lot more homes to double the median income.
 

PeoplesElbow

Well-Known Member
And you both left out the cost to do business. If houses in CH are going for 400k, how much do you think commercial real estate will cost? If there is no low income housing near by said stores will need to pay people more to get them to work there, this is fine in a high income place where the revenue can be high but you need either numbers or disposable income to make up for the increased cost to do business.
 

glhs837

Power with Control
And you both left out the cost to do business. If houses in CH are going for 400k, how much do you think commercial real estate will cost? If there is no low income housing near by said stores will need to pay people more to get them to work there, this is fine in a high income place where the revenue can be high but you need either numbers or disposable income to make up for the increased cost to do business.

Meh, the poors who will wait tables and stock shelves at FTCTRTs restaurants and stores can crawl back to Waldorf or the Park after getting him his nice dinner and fresh organic Okra at Whole Foods...... :)
 

fatratcat

Member
What you're advocating, high end house on large lots in a designated Town Center, is the exact opposite of what's considered smart growth. Actually it's described as suburban sprawl.

"Defined by who?" I haven't advocated devloping on larges lots. Admittedly, you make a point but it's water under the bridge since the developments are already under way.
 

NorthBeachPerso

Honorary SMIB
"Defined by who?" I haven't advocated devloping on larges lots. Admittedly, you make a point but it's water under the bridge since the developments are already under way.

Defined by the Maryland Department of Planning with the adoption of PlanMD a few years ago. All, each and every, jurisdiction in the State has had to develop new Comprehensive Plans incorporating the mandates in it and craft new Comprehensive rezoning ordinances following both PlanMD and their own Comp Plans developed using it as a guide.

It's a one size fits all document which took no account of the differences in the various regions of the State.

That's why I always laugh at these threads, most of you don't know the square root of #### about the requirements and mandates and are just talking out of your asses.
 
Well. I cannot name a single restaurant that has failed in the last 20 year. All are still open. Perhaps different owners, but there are no boarded up restaurants like Lexington Park or Waldorf.

The place on 235, south of gate 1, Coco's Cantina (I think that's the name), how many failed food places have been in there? DB McMillian's building, how many failed food places have been in there? The place in the parking lot of the McKay's in L'town, how many failed food places have been in there?
 

tipsymcgee

Active Member
Jumpin Jacks, the sandwich/ice cream shop at the end of Sandgates Road, "Happy Happy." Closed and nothing there.
Two other places tried to run the old 235 Diner (Laurel Grove) before Zee Best was there.
Foxy Fish was 1 or 2 places that didn't survive after Copseys left.
Stone's Butcher Shop, which sold subs and fried chicken, where Fiesta Cafe is now.
Has been a while, but the old Cape St. Mary's tried to make it a few times (Capt. D-Rays to name one)
One very short lived placed tried the Willows out for like 2 or 3 months it seems before closing.
Cow & Fish was tried several times and closed - Capt Pats, H. Gass, one other BBQ place I think...

To name a few
 

mitzi

Well-Known Member
Golden Beach Diner and that nasty BBQ House? Hensons converted to a bar and House of Ribs into St. Mary's Landing. What 2 were you thinking of?

Henson's and I can't think of the other one's name. I said both were new businesses now. Where was the BBQ House, I can't remember? So many business's have come and gone over the years. Wasn't there a little coffee shop somewhere about a year or so ago? What's going on with the move McKay's was supposed to do? If any building is to be done, something needs to be done about the roads. It's hard getting out of any of the businesses onto 5.
 

officeguy

Well-Known Member
And you both left out the cost to do business. If houses in CH are going for 400k, how much do you think commercial real estate will cost? If there is no low income housing near by said stores will need to pay people more to get them to work there, this is fine in a high income place where the revenue can be high but you need either numbers or disposable income to make up for the increased cost to do business.

I don't think that businesses in CH have to pay a pennyy more than comparable franchises in Waldorf or LP. It's not like staff has to walk to work, those who want to work have cars.
 
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