Xaquin44
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you're missing out on the obvious (and easy) point.
by your own admission, it's already recorded. Add to that the fact that god can't be wrong, and that means that your fate is predetermined.
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you're missing out on the obvious (and easy) point.
by your own admission, it's already recorded. Add to that the fact that god can't be wrong, and that means that your fate is predetermined.
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Xaquin44
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Are you Presbyterian.??
nope, just handsome!
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nope, just handsome![/QUOTE]
Starman3000m
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What I am saying is that God did not determine your fate; you are the one that decided what your fate would be.
It's just that God foreknows what you will have decided. That is not pre-determination by God in the sense that He was the one who made the decision for you. You made it yourself so you in fact you already would know what your eternal destiny will be at this point.
Lost - without Christ
Saved - through Christ
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Starman3000m
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Same response as given to Xaquin:
What I am saying is that God did not determine your fate; you are the one that decided what your fate would be.
It's just that God foreknows what you will have decided. That is not pre-determination by God in the sense that He was the one who made the decision for you. You made it yourself so you in fact you already would know what your eternal destiny will be at this point.
Lost - without Christ
Saved - through Christ
Xaquin44
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I don't think you know what you're saying. You're just proving me right over and over.
"God foreknows what you will have decided"
oh kay. and since he can't be wrong, we're just filling things in until we die.
Starman3000m
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The key word you keep using is Pre-determination.
Who did the determining of your fate?
Xaquin44
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god.
he recorded it before you were born apparently. and as he can't be wrong, we are forced to make his choices (as they have already been laid down).
Starman3000m
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Not True Xaquin. God desires that you, your son and family and all mankind would not perish but come to the Saving Knowledge that He offers through the Atoning Blood of Christ. It saddens God when His Offer is rejected.
God's enemy, Satan, is a deceiver and will continually do what he can to prevent people from opening their eyes to God's Truth. It is a spiritual battle between Good and Evil and the battle is for your soul.
Xaquin44
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then he shouldn't make it so.
This_person
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Well, it's actually been addressed repeatedly. You're just choosing to not get it.
If you turn right, YOU turned right. Had you decided to turn left, YOU would have decided to turn left. If you watched a video of what you did, knowing full well that you were going to turn right ('cuz you have a good memory of the event), that doesn't take away the free will you had in deciding to turn right. YOU decide, God knows. How is that hard to follow?
Xaquin44
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plus he's saying things about a video, which is something that has already happened. Gods will is something that is going to happen.
The two examples are not similar and the movie example is wrong.
Starman3000m
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Nucklesack, when you know a person better than anyone else (down to the letter) you know exactly what their reaction to a certain situation will be.
Perhaps you know an extremely good friend that will always say "Yes" whenever you ask a favor. Or, perhaps you know a certain individual who dislikes you and know you cannot count on them because of their personal demeanor. Yet you will offer them a chance at making amends with you because you'd still like to be their friend.
God is that knowing of all mankind just as we, within our very limited human evaluation, can know what someone will do.
Do you cause a person to turn left after he/she has been warned to turn right? Or is it that you know him/her so well that no matter what your influence is at helping them you know what their response will be?
Another thought:
Have you ever really loved and cared for a certain person only to have them reject you and not want anything to do with you? That's how it is when God offers His Love toward mankind yet He is rejected by many people.
Does God cause people to hate Him, or does God's enemy, Satan, have a stronger influence which was preferred in the lives of those who reject God?
Starman3000m
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You cannot force someone to love and accept you.
Neither will God force anyone to love and accept Him no matter how much He extends His Love and Forgiveness. That is a personal decision made by those who wish to accept God's Plan of Salvation or choose to reject it. God leaves that decision up to every individual.
Xaquin44
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sorry, it doesn't fit.
god doesn't leave the decision up to the individual, becuase the decision is made, 100% set in stone, before the given person is even born.
Starman3000m
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Sorry Xaquin. You made that decision during your lifetime. From the beginning, God knew what decision you would end up making.
You are the one who sets your decision in stone and God has to honor your free-will decision. Yes, I repeat, God has to honor your free-will decision.
That doesn't mean He will ever stop trying to convince you to accept Him - it's just that on Judgment Day you cannot stand before God and say that you were never warned of what would happen if you rejected His Son's Atonement that was available on your behalf - but that you rejected.
Xaquin44
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thats funny if I'm not born yet ....
This_person
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Yes, I could. I have free will. See, it's easy.
Starman3000m
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Have you ever heard about the Book of Life? It is God's Record of all people who will ever live. Your name is there now. However, according to Revelation, Chapter 20, a person's name can be blotted out of the Book of Life when, during their lifetime, they chose to reject the only plan of Salvation offered to mankind through Christ's Atoning Blood. Do you or do you not want you, your son and family to have eternal life with God?