Gospel of Inclusion.

[This_person]

Therefore the only true "personal responsibility" is when we each make our own decision as to how we ourself will respond or not respond.

You make an interesting, if not wholly linguistically inaccurate, point.

So, if this is your view of personal responsibility, what is your view of the concept of being accountable for your actions?

 

[JPC sr]

The truth will set us all free.

You make an interesting, if not wholly linguistically inaccurate, point.

So, if this is your view of personal responsibility, what is your view of the concept of being accountable for your actions?

I say we need to at least try to stick with the subject on these threads.

You can start some word game thread if you choose but I do not like the games.

The "personal responsibility" did not work for you so now you got the "accountable for your actions" as a different version of the beligerant blame game.

I suggest to everyone that we defy your kind and those commands.

 

[smcop]

I say we need to at least try to stick with the subject on these threads.

You can start some word game thread if you choose but I do not like the games.

The "personal responsibility" did not work for you so now you got the "accountable for your actions" as a different version of the beligerant blame game.

I suggest to everyone that we defy your kind and those commands.

I suggest we incarcerate, for long periods of time, those who refused to take care of their family. I say we lock them up and throw away the key, and for every failing of their children we blame them, and for every law broken by their children we incarcerate them along with the children!

 

[hvp05]

I say we need to at least try to stick with the subject on these threads.

You went along with it a short while ago. Looks like you are doing what you accuse Hoyer of doing: running away from the heat.

You can start some word game thread if you choose but I do not like the games.

You once stated, "We need technicalities and the wording must be exact to hold true."

When we break down "personal responsibility" we get (a) personal - "relating to, directed to, or intended for a particular person"; and (b) responsibility - "reliability or dependability". Nowhere is there inherent blame, and your definition is not exact so it must be false - as judged by your own words.

the beligerant blame game.

If you see blame everywhere perhaps you have a guilty conscience. If only you would seek the mental help we suggest, you could possibly work these issues out. :shrug:

 

[JPC sr]

The truth will set us all free.

I suggest we incarcerate, for long periods of time, those who refused to take care of their family. I say we lock them up and throw away the key, and for every failing of their children we blame them, and for every law broken by their children we incarcerate them along with the children!

Families need help and not mistreated more.

The parenting police that we have now only know two (2) methods:

1) Steal the parent's money,

and

2) Put parents into jail.

These are barbaric methods and they do not defend marriages and they do not protect families.

Parents need help to do their own business and we do not need the gov to keep attacking parents.

 

[JPC sr]

The truth will set us all free.

If you had read carefully what 2nd Ammendment had quoted from the Bible:

"21"Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.

22"Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?'

23"And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.' "

you would notice it says "On THAT DAY" and not here and now. Yes, the verses you referred to do tell us to love our enemies and do good to those that hate us but these verses tell us that not all are going to Heaven. Those who "bear bad fruit" - sin without repentance - are not going to Heaven. It says those branches will be cut off and thrown into the fire. Not the cleansing fire - you don't purify a tree! You burn dead, unproductive wood and whosever does not bear good fruit in the name of Jesus Christ will be cast into the Lake of Fire which is Hell & which burns forever and HURTS not purifies!

I did read what was posted and I am very familiar with the Bible.

I say you and others are very mistaken in that claim.

The fire is a cleaning and purifying fire which you deny.

"On that day" means any day that it gets done, and we all still reap as we sow here on earth.

Since Jesus plainly said to "love thy enemies" link HERE while others claim that "hell" (the grave) means the torture of people by hell fire, then the two (2) sayings contradict each other.

And since Jesus does say to "love thy enemies" and then if He tortures His enemies in fire-hell then that would make Jesus into a hypocrite (which He is not).

Of course in my interpretation (and the Bishop's) then there is no contradiction at all.

God and Jesus love their enemies unconditionally, and "Hell" only means the common grave or tomb which everyone gets resurrected from and saved.

If people were burning in Hell (they are not) then there would be no need for a resurrection.

Of course the correct interpretation says that everyone gets resurrected from their graves (hell) and then saved and that makes sense with no contradiction.

The notion that people are being tortured in hell-fire by Jesus Christ is very far from the Gospel message and far from the truth.

 

[godsbutterfly]

I did read what was posted and I am very familiar with the Bible.

I say you and others are very mistaken in that claim.

The fire is a cleaning and purifying fire which you deny.

"On that day" means any day that it gets done, and we all still reap as we sow here on earth.

Since Jesus plainly said to "love thy enemies" link HERE while others claim that "hell" (the grave) means the torture of people by hell fire, then the two (2) sayings contradict each other.

And since Jesus does say to "love thy enemies" and then if He tortures His enemies in fire-hell then that would make Jesus into a hypocrite (which He is not).

Of course in my interpretation (and the Bishop's) then there is no contradiction at all.

God and Jesus love their enemies unconditionally, and "Hell" only means the common grave or tomb which everyone gets resurrected from and saved.

If people were burning in Hell (they are not) then there would be no need for a resurrection.

Of course the correct interpretation says that everyone gets resurrected from their graves (hell) and then saved and that makes sense with no contradiction.

The notion that people are being tortured in hell-fire by Jesus Christ is very far from the Gospel message and far from the truth.

God turned away from Jesus on the cross because he cannot look upon sin. I have read and had instruction and sermons on the End Times. You and I will never agree on this. You are believing a Bishop and I am believing the King of Kings. Best of luck to you.

 

[JPC sr]

The truth will set us all free.

God turned away from Jesus on the cross because he cannot look upon sin. I have read and had instruction and sermons on the End Times. You and I will never agree on this. You are believing a Bishop and I am believing the King of Kings. Best of luck to you.

My beliefs do not come from the Bishop.

That Bishop just happens to preach that one thing that we are agreed upon.

I did give text from the Bible as my proof and not from any other sourse.

 

[This_person]

The "personal responsibility" did not work for you so now you got the "accountable for your actions" as a different version of the beligerant blame game.

"Did not work"? Are you assuming I had an intent?

However, your inability to understand the English language was very evident in your answer, and you showed what you believe "responsibility" to be, so you answered my question quite well indeed. Anyone who might possibly be unaware of your views will probably be better informed now.

Also, your assumption that I had an agenda in asking the question, and then refusing to answer a follow-up related question also shows you for being you, and should tell any potential supporters even more about you.

 

[JPC sr]

The truth will set us all free.

God turned away from Jesus on the cross because he cannot look upon sin. I have read and had instruction and sermons on the End Times. You and I will never agree on this. You are believing a Bishop and I am believing the King of Kings. Best of luck to you.

So in your interpretation that others have indoctrinated into you,

of having people being totured in that Hell fire by the loving Jesus,

and that is acceptable as truth to your beliefs?

But having a loving God that forgives sins and saves everybody even His enemies,

and that is not acceptable to your religion?

Those are the questions of your personal relationship and not Orthodox indoctrinations.

............................ :shrug:

 

[godsbutterfly]

So in your interpretation that others have indoctrinated into you,

of having people being totured in that Hell fire by the loving Jesus,

and that is acceptable as truth to your beliefs?

But having a loving God that forgives sins and saves everybody even His enemies,

and that is not acceptable to your religion?

Those are the questions of your personal relationship and not Orthodox indoctrinations.

............................ :shrug:

My interpretation does not allow us to go around behaving any way we want to - it makes no difference how we act or what we do - because in the end we all get forgiven and go up to Heaven with Jesus for a big Hallelujah party. That is not realistic and it is not what the Bible says no matter how hard I try to read it that way, which, frankly, I don't! That makes Jesus' sacrifice on the cross much too shallow.Hell does exist and God has provided a way for all to be saved and that is thru accepting Christ as their Lord. If they don't then they go to Hell and yes, it is a place of punishment. Actions have consequences. If they didn't Satan would still be up in Heaven along with the 1/3 of the angels that were kicked out with him now wouldn't he?

 

[JPC sr]

The truth will set us all free.

My interpretation does not allow us to go around behaving any way we want to - it makes no difference how we act or what we do - because in the end we all get forgiven and go up to Heaven with Jesus for a big Hallelujah party. That is not realistic and it is not what the Bible says no matter how hard I try to read it that way, which, frankly, I don't! That makes Jesus' sacrifice on the cross much too shallow.Hell does exist and God has provided a way for all to be saved and that is thru accepting Christ as their Lord. If they don't then they go to Hell and yes, it is a place of punishment. Actions have consequences. If they didn't Satan would still be up in Heaven along with the 1/3 of the angels that were kicked out with him now wouldn't he?

I would like to introduce you to the real Jesus that loves His enemies and that does right to those that hate Him link HERE.

That evil tyrant God and evil Jesus that you profess now are not the truth.

 

[PsyOps]

I did give text from the Bible as my proof and not from any other sourse.

You give text that supports your point of view while ignoring other text which dispels your lies:

The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his
kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. They will throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth… Mat 13:41-42

This is how it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come and separate the wicked from the righteous and throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth… Mat 13:49-50

Whoever believes in him will not be condemned, but whoever does not believe has already been condemned, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God… John 3:18

The Devil who had led them astray was thrown into the pool of fire and sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet were. There they will be tormented day and night forever and ever… Rev 20:10

The sea gave up its dead; then Death and Hades gave up their dead. All the dead were judged according to their deeds. Then Death and Hades were thrown into the pool of fire. (This pool of fire is the second death.) Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the pool of fire… Rev 20:13-15

 

[PsyOps]

I would like to introduce you to the real Jesus that loves His enemies and that does right to those that hate Him link HERE.

So let me get this straight... There are those that hate Jesus and God, but God loves them anyway and will accept them into heaven even though they hate Him?

I can't wait to see why God would want someone that hates Him in His kingdom.

Are you telling me that if I hate you, and aim to curse you at every available moment you're going to invite me in your home? I wonder how long that visit will last.

 

[This_person]

Actions have consequences.

This was my whole point in bringing up responsibility and accountability. Whether it's on the religious or personal front, Jimmy does not believe that we are accountable for our actions, that we need to act responsibly. He believes he's saved no matter how he acts, no matter what he believes, no matter what he spouts out and encourages others to do. He's a danger to himself and anyone around him.

 

[JPC sr]

The truth will set us all free.

You give text that supports your point of view while ignoring other text which dispels your lies:

The text that you give about "fire" means a fire that cleans and purifies the person.

The person dies of sin and receive eternal life link HERE.

The gift can not be "eternal life" if people already have eternal life in Hell fire, and death means dead to sin.

So let me get this straight... There are those that hate Jesus and God, but God loves them anyway and will accept them into heaven even though they hate Him?

That is exactly correct.

The worse of the worse sinners get in based on Christ sacrifice.

The punisment for all sins has been paid in full already - and it was planned that way.

I can't wait to see why God would want someone that hates Him in His kingdom.

It is like a miracle link HERE, because the Father in Heaven is "perfect".

The hate will die along with the sins and the sinner will be made righteous, thank God for us all.

Are you telling me that if I hate you, and aim to curse you at every available moment you're going to invite me in your home? I wonder how long that visit will last.

Well I am not God and I am not as strong as Christ and I do not want hateful people in my house or even in my Country or anywhere in this world I do not want them.

But then salvation is not now in this wicked system and that is why on Judgement Day then all people will see the truth and then there will be a blessed improvement and at that time things will be far better then things are now in this wicked world.

On Judgement Day then everyone will believe and be saved link HERE.

Our hope, and the promise of God is that a better world will come on earth as it is in Heaven.

 

[godsbutterfly]

I would like to introduce you to the real Jesus that loves His enemies and that does right to those that hate Him link HERE.

That evil tyrant God and evil Jesus that you profess now are not the truth.

I have long been familiar with Jesus Christ and I know Him and God for their Mercy and their Grace but I also know and understand what the Bible tells us of the Last Days and in those Days God will not be a Tyrant but a Just God dispersing out the Judgement He has long declared was coming - in the manner He has promised in His Word - the passages that I, Psy Ops, 2nd Amendment, and Oh so many others have quoted directly from the Holy Bible you somehow don't have in your Bible or they mean something else or we all read them wrong or something. How is it that all of us plus every theologian for lo these many centuries has been wrong and you and this Bishop are right? Why can you not conceive of the notion that you are wrong? Oh - Perish that thought! "God is not a man that He should lie."

 

[JPC sr]

The truth will set us all free.

I have long been familiar with Jesus Christ and I know Him and God for their Mercy and their Grace but I also know and understand what the Bible tells us of the Last Days and in those Days God will not be a Tyrant but a Just God dispersing out the Judgement He has long declared was coming - in the manner He has promised in His Word - the passages that I, Psy Ops, 2nd Amendment, and Oh so many others have quoted directly from the Holy Bible you somehow don't have in your Bible or they mean something else or we all read them wrong or something. How is it that all of us plus every theologian for lo these many centuries has been wrong and you and this Bishop are right? Why can you not conceive of the notion that you are wrong? Oh - Perish that thought! "God is not a man that He should lie."

The whole world is deceived Revelations 12:9 link HERE.

But Jesus said there would be a few (not the many) that do not get deceived,link HERE.

It is a false Christ that claim He tortures people in a Hell fire while the true Christ loves His enemies.

 

[godsbutterfly]

The whole world is deceived Revelations 12:9 link HERE.

But Jesus said there would be a few (not the many) that do not get deceived,link HERE.

It is a false Christ that claim He tortures people in a Hell fire while the true Christ loves His enemies.

So what's your explnation for God destroying the Earth by Flood because of the sinfulness of man? Or did that not really happen either?

 

[JPC sr]

The truth will set us all free.

So what's your explnation for God destroying the Earth by Flood because of the sinfulness of man? Or did that not really happen either?

Well God cares about people, and God loves humanity.

God destroyed those by flood, and Abe Lincoln saw God in defeating the evil of slavery, and many still today know it was God that destroyed Nazi Germany, so sometimes God uses water and flood but He also uses people to do His hard work.

But see that they were all "destroyed" and not tortured forever in Hell fire.

They were destroyed and they died and they are still dead, thank God.

According to the Bible those destroyed will be resurrected and given a second chance on Judgement Day link HERE and then they all will be saved through Christ sacrifice.

God does not murder as people murder because God knows the plan of resurrection and those people were horribly lost so that destruction till Judgement Day was the best those could get from this wicked world, and temporary destruction from their loving God.