Gospel of Inclusion.

[PsyOps]

The text that you give about "fire" means a fire that cleans and purifies the person.

You are so lost JPC. You completely ignored this one:

The Devil who had led them astray was thrown into the pool of fire and sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet were. There they will be tormented day and night forever and ever… Rev 20:10

It's your wish and desire to believe EVERYONE gets into heaven regardless of whether they recieve Christ as their savior because you have no desire to change your life. You set up your own rules to make it convenient for yourself. Manipulating God into your own little mold.

 

[godsbutterfly]

You are so lost JPC. You completely ignored this one:



It's your wish and desire to believe EVERYONE gets into heaven regardless of whether they recieve Christ as their savior because you have no desire to change your life. You set up your own rules to make it convenient for yourself. Manipulating God into your own little mold.

It is an unfortunate tendency with him and I am not saying that to be unkind. He will not see anything he does not want to but believes we all are the blind ones, does not hear want he does not want to and calls all of us deaf.

 

[JPC sr]

The truth will set us all free.

It is an unfortunate tendency with him and I am not saying that to be unkind. He will not see anything he does not want to but believes we all are the blind ones, does not hear want he does not want to and calls all of us deaf.

I never said nor say any such thing as that.

It is ONLY you saying that I do not see and do not hear.

What I have done is quote the Bible and give Bible links and I back up all that I posted with proof from the Bible.

So those claims bounce off of me and sticks to GBF.

 

[godsbutterfly]

I never said nor say any such thing as that.

It is ONLY you saying that I do not see and do not hear.

What I have done is quote the Bible and give Bible links and I back up all that I posted with proof from the Bible.

So those claims bounce off of me and sticks to GBF.

I back up what I say with the Bible too and so have many others on here but you say we are all wrong. We have given you scripture references galore but you still we are wrong. Why are your scriptures right and ours are wrong when they are coming from the same Bible? Interpretation- that's why. Because I don't see it as you do that makes me (and a lot of others) wrong in your eyes even though we have scripture as well. It's like being caught up in a never-ending circle because yo will never concede that you could be even slightly misguided in this at all.

 

[JPC sr]

The truth will set us all free.

You are so lost JPC. You completely ignored this one:

The Devil who had led them astray was thrown into the pool of fire and sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet were. There they will be tormented day and night forever and ever… Rev 20:10​

The word "tormented" does not mean "torture by fire" except by misinterpretaion.

That torment means massive regrets and remorse but not torture by fire.

And it says "the Devil" and "beast" and "false prophet" that gets such torments and not people.

Jesus paid the penalty for all human beings to be saved so not even one person will suffer torture from God.

It's your wish and desire to believe EVERYONE gets into heaven regardless of whether they recieve Christ as their savior because you have no desire to change your life. You set up your own rules to make it convenient for yourself. Manipulating God into your own little mold.

That is far from true.

I have repented big time in my own life and I always preach for me and for everyone to do right and to resist any wrongs.

It was NOT my idea to give salvation to everybody, so I am not "manipulating" God.

 

[PsyOps]

The word "tormented" does not mean "torture by fire" except by misinterpretaion.

That torment means massive regrets and remorse but not torture by fire.

And it says "the Devil" and "beast" and "false prophet" that gets such torments and not people.

Jesus paid the penalty for all human beings to be saved so not even one person will suffer torture from God.

I don’t think any of us really know what eternal damnation will be like. All I know is it’s a place I don’t want to be. A place of unimaginable suffering.

But, predictably you ignored key provisions of the Bible:

For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him might not perish but might have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world might be saved through him. Whoever believes in him will not be condemned, but whoever does not believe has already been condemned, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God… John 3:16-18

A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice, "Anyone who worships the beast or its image, or accepts its mark on forehead or hand, will also drink the wine of God's fury, poured full strength into the cup of his wrath, and will be tormented in burning sulfur before the holy angels and before the Lamb. The smoke of the fire that torments them will rise forever and ever, and there will be no relief day or night for those who worship the beast or its image or accept the mark of its name."… Rev 14:9-11

There are so many passages that refer to the demise of those who do not believe. Nothing talks about your claim that non-believers’ torment being remorse or regret, but I’m sure they will be quite remorseful and regretful.

Those who do not believe are condemned to eternal tormenting day and night forever and ever. You have to take things in their entire context and not extract out what you do not want to apply just to fit your own image of God. You have things completely backwards. We are in God’s image, not God in ours.

I have repented big time in my own life and I always preach for me and for everyone to do right and to resist any wrongs.

It was NOT my idea to give salvation to everybody, so I am not "manipulating" God.

You have already said that everyone gets into heaven and are forgiven. You have also said that it is not necessary to repent. If it’s not necessary it is a waste of time. Why do you waste your time on such petty actions like repentance? What have you to repent for if it is already forgiven? Actually what do you repent for? Perhaps you would like to explain to me what repentance (as used in the original Greek text) means.

 

[PsyOps]

It is an unfortunate tendency with him and I am not saying that to be unkind. He will not see anything he does not want to but believes we all are the blind ones, does not hear want he does not want to and calls all of us deaf.

Go ahead... call the sky blue. I dare you.

 

[JPC sr]

The truth will set us all free.

You have already said that everyone gets into heaven and are forgiven. You have also said that it is not necessary to repent. If it’s not necessary it is a waste of time. Why do you waste your time on such petty actions like repentance? What have you to repent for if it is already forgiven? Actually what do you repent for? Perhaps you would like to explain to me what repentance (as used in the original Greek text) means.

We must repent here now because here and now is what matters most.

What is to happen after death is only slightly better then meaningless because it is all taken care of.

To repent means to turn around and make right the wrongs that we have done.

Like if stolen some thing then repent means giving it back with remorse.

Now in this world is the time for action - now.

Jesus told us how to live now and He did not say how to live after death.

Planning for Heaven or avoiding Hell are worthless pursuits and empty goals.

 

[godsbutterfly]

Go ahead... call the sky blue. I dare you.

You would't be instigating would you Psy Ops? Okay - I double dare you!

 

[2ndAmendment]

Those Bible verses that you give are talking about now - here on earth and not after death and resurrection.

So Jesus agrees with me and the Bishop that everyone everywhere do get saved in the end.

For more accurate Bible verses about God and mankind is in Matthew 5:43-48 link HERE.

Jesus says to love thy enemies and that loving only Christians would be imperfect.

The carnal-fear method of "believe in Jesus or else burn in Hell" is an unloving and untrue message.

In the Bible the word for "hell" only means the common grave or tomb for dead bodies.

You are wrong, but what is unusual about that.

 

[2ndAmendment]

I did read what was posted and I am very familiar with the Bible.

I say you and others are very mistaken in that claim.

The fire is a cleaning and purifying fire which you deny.

"On that day" means any day that it gets done, and we all still reap as we sow here on earth.

Since Jesus plainly said to "love thy enemies" link HERE while others claim that "hell" (the grave) means the torture of people by hell fire, then the two (2) sayings contradict each other.

And since Jesus does say to "love thy enemies" and then if He tortures His enemies in fire-hell then that would make Jesus into a hypocrite (which He is not).

Of course in my interpretation (and the Bishop's) then there is no contradiction at all.

God and Jesus love their enemies unconditionally, and "Hell" only means the common grave or tomb which everyone gets resurrected from and saved.

If people were burning in Hell (they are not) then there would be no need for a resurrection.

Of course the correct interpretation says that everyone gets resurrected from their graves (hell) and then saved and that makes sense with no contradiction.

The notion that people are being tortured in hell-fire by Jesus Christ is very far from the Gospel message and far from the truth.

You are totally wrong....again.

 

[2ndAmendment]

So let me get this straight... There are those that hate Jesus and God, but God loves them anyway and will accept them into heaven even though they hate Him?

I can't wait to see why God would want someone that hates Him in His kingdom.

Are you telling me that if I hate you, and aim to curse you at every available moment you're going to invite me in your home? I wonder how long that visit will last.

Especially since God tossed satan and a third of the angels out of His kingdom already.

JPC must read the Bible, but he shows that he understands little to none of it just as he understands little to none of the the law or about personal responsibility or care of one's family.

JPC, you are truly a sad sack.

 

[PsyOps]

JPC must read the Bible, but he shows that he understands little to none of it just as he understands little to none of the the law or about personal responsibility or care of one's family.

I think JPC understands things more than he leads on. It seems it is in his nature to be a contrarian to everything considered normal. From that end I really don’t know why I even bother.

 

[JPC sr]

The truth will set us all free.

I think JPC understands things more than he leads on. It seems it is in his nature to be a contrarian to everything considered normal. From that end I really don’t know why I even bother.

It is correct that I understand the subject well and I do know the other side of the stories and I know about the many versions of Christian Orthodoxy too.

IMO, it is persons like yourself and 2A and others that hide behind the Orthodox claims and refuse to face the truth.

I too find myself against many things that are considered as "normal" and I highly recommend the abnormal.

 

[PsyOps]

I too find myself against many things that are considered as "normal" and I highly recommend the abnormal.

Now we finally agree on something. And that about sums it all up.

 

[JPC sr]

The truth will set us all free.

Now we finally agree on something. And that about sums it all up.

Just a few questions for you since you prize the normal.

Are the Catholics normal?

Are the Protestants normal? since they are not Papist.

Are the Jehovah Witnesses normal?

The Mormons? the Athiest? the Buddhist? Hindu? Taoist?

Is it just those that disagree with "PsyOps" version are the abnormal?

or do you consider me as special?

 

[camily]

Just a few questions for you since you prize the normal.

Are the Catholics normal?

Are the Protestants normal? since they are not Papist.

Are the Jehovah Witnesses normal?

The Mormons? the Athiest? the Buddhist? Hindu? Taoist?

Is it just those that disagree with "PsyOps" version are the abnormal?

or do you consider me as special?

 

[JPC sr]

The truth will set us all free.

Just FYI,

I have no idea what is meant by the short school bus.

If it is meant as a symbol of some hidden message then I do not know what the message is at all.

FYI.

 

[This_person]

Just FYI,

I have no idea what is meant by the short school bus.

If it is meant as a symbol of some hidden message then I do not know what the message is at all.

FYI.

You prove her correct about her reference with this post!

 

[JPC sr]

The truth will set us all free.

You prove her correct about her reference with this post!

You might think yourself funny but the bus means only a bus and nothing else.

There are short buses that carry kids to school so it is not a positive nor a negative icon.

That being your "proof" then no one has proven anything.