Gospel of Inclusion.

[This_person]

Jimmy is just bitter because Santa is bringing me good stuff, but he's just getting a lump of coal.

The first question on the "naughty or nice" list for fathers is the question "Do you provide for your family?"

Jimmy has always failed that one, so he always gets a lump of coal. That's why he's so bitter at this time of year. It's also why he denies the existence of Santa.

He still can't answer the question: If there's no santa, how does the lump of coal get there every year?

I suspect if you smell it, that dark brown lump is not coal..........

 

[JPC sr]

The truth will set us all free.

I suspect if you smell it, that dark brown lump is not coal..........

Always back to filth.

Even on the religion thread it is more filth.

Nothing to do with the subject, nothing added to the discussions,

nothing of quality, just more filth.

 

[ImnoMensa]

Discussing religion with JPC is a lot like discussing sex with a eunoch.

 

[JPC sr]

The truth will set us all free.

Discussing religion with JPC is a lot like discussing sex with a eunoch.

The religion discussion is open to anyone.

It is not necessarily discussed with me, even though I do give my side.

The original post of this thread is based on a Christian Bishop that preaches everybody gets saved,

and I agree with that.

Jesus paid the full price for everybody so everybody gets saved and no torture of people in Hell.

Only paradise and no hell for the future of every person of all times.

 

[hvp05]

Just wait, though. He'll either deny ever saying that, say just the opposite, or both!

I'd like to add my own bit here: the time I posted the list of traits of the classic sociopath. At first ol' Jimmy said it was slander and denied being a sociopath, then eventually shifted to saying that he may be a sociopath but that did not affect his candidacy or its factuality or his helping others. That despite the fact that, by their very nature, sociopaths live in a reality based on grandiose claims of self-importance, lies, and deceiving others for their own gain.

Yes, I have lots of regrets and remorse. I have had a hard life.

What do you regret? Not deserting your family sooner? Not vandalizing the two government buildings sooner? Not partying harder while you were still living out West? Not staying in hiding longer so as to avoid prosecution?

I know you regret that you ever paid any child support because you've said so. But what else do you regret?

Nothing to do with the subject, nothing added to the discussions, nothing of quality, just more filth.

If he posted any more substance you would not have answered him at all.

 

[hvp05]

The religion discussion is open to anyone.

Too bad you don't hold that same view for other discussions where you are involved...

I have often heard it said as an American tradition: That if one has nothing to add to the convesation then they need to shut up.

 

[This_person]

Always back to filth. Even on the religion thread it is more filth. Nothing to do with the subject, nothing added to the discussions, nothing of quality, just more filth.

Okay, then go back to the others:

Instead of attacking the messenger, perhaps you could state your position on personal responsibility.

Note, he did not refute anything I said.

Jimmy, do you deny saying that there are no hungry or needy children? Do you deny saying that if there are any children going without, that it is only the custodial parent's fault? Do you deny saying saying that you deserted your family to let them figure it out for themselves (when your son was around five years old or less)? Do you deny the quote where you said you did not feel sorry "to" your dead wife for the pain you caused her and your son? Do you deny your son's gambling issue? Do you deny your anything I said regarding your son's child support (or lack thereof) issue?

You can't deny it, because you know I'll link to one of the many times you said it, so you attack me instead. I can take it, but the life you left your son (how many DUI's has he had?) shows what you've been in your life.

You have to attack people who speak the truth, because the truth of what you are and what it meant to your immediate family (yes, I know you don't consider your son your immediate family, as was posted earlier, but.... he is) is just too painful for you to accept. You have to create an alternate reality, the one you try and live in.

 

[JPC sr]

The truth will set us all free.

Too bad you don't hold that same view for other discussions where you are involved...

I believe that the point was the "Gospel of Inclusion" link HERE.

 

[This_person]

I believe that the point was the "Gospel of Inclusion" link HERE

Not since about the third page of this thread, but it was WAY off course at least by post 83. You're merely trying to change the subject back since you can't win when people starting throwing that nasty, filthy truth of your life, your words, your opinions, etc., at you. Otherwise, you'd answer my posts.

 

[JPC sr]

The truth will set us all free.

I believe that the point was the "Gospel of Inclusion" link HERE.

I find it a big relief to have learned that "Hell" does not exist, link HERE.

Hell comes from words that mean the "grave" and not a place of torture by fire.

Only people would think up such a horrid concept, while God thought up forgiveness and salvation for everyone.

 

[2ndAmendment]

The religion discussion is open to anyone.

It is not necessarily discussed with me, even though I do give my side.

The original post of this thread is based on a Christian Bishop that preaches everybody gets saved,

and I agree with that.

Jesus paid the full price for everybody so everybody gets saved and no torture of people in Hell.

Only paradise and no hell for the future of every person of all times.

So what is unusual that you agree with a lie? Nothing.

 

[2ndAmendment]

I find it a big relief to have learned that "Hell" does not exist, link HERE.

Hell comes from words that mean the "grave" and not a place of torture by fire.

Only people would think up such a horrid concept, while God thought up forgiveness and salvation for everyone.

LIES!

 

[godsbutterfly]

LIES!

My experience with this topic?

"HE WHO HAS EARS LET HIM HEAR."

 

[2ndAmendment]

My experience with this topic?

"HE WHO HAS EARS LET HIM HEAR."

I know. JPC, Sr. is as hardheaded as people come.

And JPC, that is not a complement.

 

[JPC sr]

The truth will set us all free.

LIES!

Of course in this particular case,

I have the Christian Bishop on my side,

preaching the "Gospel of Inclusion" link HERE.

Jesus paid the penalty in full for ALL of mankind so everyone gets saved.

 

[2ndAmendment]

Of course in this particular case,

I have the Christian Bishop on my side,

preaching the "Gospel of Inclusion" link HERE.

Jesus paid the penalty in full for ALL of mankind so everyone gets saved.

Jesus says you and the bishop are wrong.

Matthew 7:13-23

13"Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it.

14"For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it.

15"Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves.

16"You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes nor figs from thistles, are they?

17"So every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit.

18"A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, nor can a bad tree produce good fruit.

19"Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.

20"So then, you will know them by their fruits.

21"Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.

22"Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?'

23"And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'

 

[JPC sr]

The truth will set us all free.

Jesus says you and the bishop are wrong.

[Matthew 7:13-23 link HERE]

Those Bible verses that you give are talking about now - here on earth and not after death and resurrection.

So Jesus agrees with me and the Bishop that everyone everywhere do get saved in the end.

For more accurate Bible verses about God and mankind is in Matthew 5:43-48 link HERE.

Jesus says to love thy enemies and that loving only Christians would be imperfect.

The carnal-fear method of "believe in Jesus or else burn in Hell" is an unloving and untrue message.

In the Bible the word for "hell" only means the common grave or tomb for dead bodies.

 

[This_person]

And, what is your view of the importance of personal responsibility?

 

[godsbutterfly]

Those Bible verses that you give are talking about now - here on earth and not after death and resurrection.

So Jesus agrees with me and the Bishop that everyone everywhere do get saved in the end.

For more accurate Bible verses about God and mankind is in Matthew 5:43-48 link HERE.

Jesus says to love thy enemies and that loving only Christians would be imperfect.

The carnal-fear method of "believe in Jesus or else burn in Hell" is an unloving and untrue message.

In the Bible the word for "hell" only means the common grave or tomb for dead bodies.

If you had read carefully what 2nd Ammendment had quoted from the Bible:

"21"Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.

22"Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?'

23"And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.' "

you would notice it says "On THAT DAY" and not here and now. Yes, the verses you referred to do tell us to love our enemies and do good to those that hate us but these verses tell us that not all are going to Heaven. Those who "bear bad fruit" - sin without repentance - are not going to Heaven. It says those branches will be cut off and thrown into the fire. Not the cleansing fire - you don't purify a tree! You burn dead, unproductive wood and whosever does not bear good fruit in the name of Jesus Christ will be cast into the Lake of Fire which is Hell & which burns forever and HURTS not purifies!

 

[JPC sr]

The truth will set us all free.

And, what is your view of the importance of personal responsibility?

I find that terminology to be very mis-used in todays world.

It is used a lot by gov and beligerant people as a way of BLAMING others link HERE, and blame is a wrong way of doing things.

The word "responsibility" comes the word "respond" and of course "personal" means the person's own response and not following orders.

When the gov or beligerant persons demand "personal responsibility" then it always means for others to do as they are commanded to do, instead of acually responding in a way that the person chooses of their own free will.

Telling other people how they are to "respond" means the person does not have any free choice to decide how they themselves want to respond because the people are being told what to do and are expected to follow the beligerant orders.

Therefore the only true "personal responsibility" is when we each make our own decision as to how we ourself will respond or not respond.

So considering the huge way that terminology is mis-used then I say it must be regarded as inapropriate and no one will ever hear it mis-used by me.

As to the "importance" of it, then I say it is important that we all see it for what it really is - beligerant blame.

Of course in the end everybody gets saved anyway because salvation is a done deal.