Gospel of Inclusion.

[This_person]

Perhaps since you say these hecklers amount to being "everyone" then that must be your other expressed idea on "normal" too.

I am the one that spray paint the State Bldgs and I run for election and I do much more while those here steal from their children's mothers.

I have my facts very correct.

Gee, did you have anyone in mind?

If you have your facts correct, why is it that you are proven wrong so often, and you won't provide the "evidence" for your "facts" when there is evidence provided against your "facts"?

 

[JPC sr]

The truth will set us all free.

If you have your facts correct, why is it that you are proven wrong so often, and you won't provide the "evidence" for your "facts" when there is evidence provided against your "facts"?

For a heckler you add absolutely nothing to the conversation.

I gave all the facts about everyone being saved from the first post to this one.

Duh.

 

[This_person]

For a heckler you add absolutely nothing to the conversation.

I gave all the facts about everyone being saved from the first post to this one.

Duh.

And, you've proven your inability to accept others' points of view by not recognizing that your "facts" are wrong interpretations and cherry-picked omissions of the real facts.

Once again, Shortbus Jimmy, you're proving my point about your incompetance.

I have to ask you again, why do you respond to me? Nine out of ten times you're shown to be wrong and stupid (the tenth time you're only shown to be wrong OR stupid, not both, so ya got that going for ya!).

 

[JPC sr]

The truth will set us all free.

I have to ask you again, why do you respond to me?

You have been carrying-on about me ignoring you,

and now you ask why do I respond to you.

If you stop asking me questions then you will get far less responses from me.

Of course that would mean that you would have to actually do some thing by restraining your self.

 

[This_person]

that would mean that you would have to actually do some thing.

And, what is it you do, again? Throw temper tantrums at buildings to get out of being there for your son? Get ignored by your son? Skip out on your family?

You have been busy.

 

[JPC sr]

The truth will set us all free.

And, what is it you do, again? Throw temper tantrums at buildings to get out of being there for your son? Get ignored by your son? Skip out on your family?

You have been busy.

I realize you follow me around like some stray dog,

but the thread is not about me, and you waste our time in talking ONLY about me.

This is the "Religion" forum with a religious thread on a religious topic, so you are abusing the Forum by putting your heckling over me onto it.

I believe you are olny one of very few here that only want to talk about me and it is absurd.

This obsession of yours is very childish and you need to grow up.

 

[PsyOps]

I have many people that agree with my positions and many tell me so.

Many people will not post because of the forum bullies on here but not I.

Okay, I wait for those that agree with you. I promise I wont heckle them

Perhaps since you say these hecklers amount to being "everyone" then that must be your other expressed idea on "normal" too.

The hecklers on here might be normal for forum bullies but those do nothing.

I am the one that spray paint the State Bldgs and I run for election and I do much more while those here steal from their children's mothers.

I have my facts very correct and all you will get by being "normal" is worthless green Karma.

You spray painted a state building, breaking the law. You still stand by this act as justified thus encouraging others that breaking the law is the way to solve ones problems. If you get elected into congress is this how you will solve your problems if you don't get your way in Congress, spray paint the Capital building? Or are you going to propose a law that will make defacing a state or federal building legal only to support your admitted “abnormal” behavior? When 99.9% of society behaves rationally and solves their problems within the law I think it's fair for them to heckle you for believing you should be afforded some special privilege to subvert the law. And not only laws that guide our every day lives but the laws of nature and morality. You seem to be disinterested in acknowledging these things are what keep our society from chaos.

 

[JPC sr]

The truth will set us all free.

You spray painted a state building, breaking the law. You still stand by this act as justified thus encouraging others that breaking the law is the way to solve ones problems.

The rightful use of non violent civil disobedience is a proven method of protest.

I highly recommend it.

If you get elected into congress is this how you will solve your problems if you don't get your way in Congress, spray paint the Capital building?

Of course not.

When I get elected to Congress then I will become one of the law makers so I could not sensibly spray paint my own Office Building.

Or are you going to propose a law that will make defacing a state or federal building legal only to support your admitted “abnormal” behavior?

No, civil disobediance being illegal is the point.

If the civil disobediance act were to be made legal then it would lose its true value of protest.

When 99.9% of society behaves rationally and solves their problems within the law I think it's fair for them to heckle you for believing you should be afforded some special privilege to subvert the law.

I do not say to stop heckling, I just want others to see that is what they are doing.

I do not approve of heckling in most cases as it is not civil disobediance but just being a nuisance or cry baby.

And not only laws that guide our every day lives but the laws of nature and morality. You seem to be disinterested in acknowledging these things are what keep our society from chaos.

I do see that those false claims of "laws of nature and morality" are really injustices and gov violence against the population.

Oppression and tyranny and fear mongering might well hold this society together but it needs to be improved.

 

[PsyOps]

I do not approve of heckling in most cases as it is not civil disobediance but just being a nuisance or cry baby.

I seem to recall you approved of the Westboro Baptist church "heckling" the mourners of their fallen military family members. Now you are telling me you do not approve of such heckling? Man, you are all over the place. Your number one problem is you have no single moral or ethical foundation.

 

[JPC sr]

The truth will set us all free.

I seem to recall you approved of the Westboro Baptist church "heckling" the mourners of their fallen military family members. Now you are telling me you do not approve of such heckling? Man, you are all over the place. Your number one problem is you have no single moral or ethical foundation.

I would never myself participate in that funeral protest but I argue that they have the right to do so.

I do separate my religious dictates from my political positions.

And I truly believe in being very flexible as "the tree that does not bend with the wind will surely snap" so bending my positions to meet the needs is my way and I say it is the best way.

My single moral and ethical foundation is for only myself and I am easier on others that fall short or fail.

 

[Kevlar]

My single moral and ethical foundation is for only myself

Being self centered and self serving is neither moral or ethical.

Are you for real, or are you somebody else pretending to be theis "JPC" guy? You sure are doing a good job of making him look like an idiot. Does he know you are on here sabotaging his campaign?

 

[PsyOps]

Gospel of Inclusion. 11-28-2007 10:30 PM He has a good point. Please for God's sake leave this guy be, this is the religion forum!

Okay I promised I wouldn't heckle you, but I have to know specifically which points you see as valid?

“This guy” is volunteering to engage in this debate, so leaving him alone serves no purpose but to allow “this guy” to spew his fallacies. And leaving (or anyone) alone defeats the purpose of a forum.

 

[This_person]

The rightful use of non violent civil disobedience is a proven method of protest. I highly recommend it.

Responsible, reasonable discourse, working within the system and accepting failure and gains with grace and dignity (and respect for the process) are the methods of responsible adults. I wonder if you'll ever try that method?

Of course not. When I get elected to Congress then I will become one of the law makers so I could not sensibly spray paint my own Office Building.

And, when you lose? Will you spraypaint the your opponents homes, instead? No, Jimmy, you've demonstrated your distaste for our country and it's laws, so you won't have the opportunity to do these things.

I do not say to stop heckling, I just want others to see that is what they are doing. I do not approve of heckling in most cases as it is not civil disobediance but just being a nuisance or cry baby.

Perhaps what you call heckling is merely people pointing out what they see are falacies and inaccuracies in what you have to say. Legally, by pointing it out in a (normally) productive manner how wrong you are in most everything you say, we can be helpful to anyone who reads you without causing damage to any property.

I do see that those false claims of "laws of nature and morality" are really injustices and gov violence against the population.

I don't think you have grasped that the government is made up of the population, and needs to answer to those bosses every two years (in the case of HoR). Why do you think the majority of people accept the issues as they are by voting people in with these values you call injustice and violence? Think hard Jimmy. It's that they're not really injustices or violence. It's that they're "laws of nature and morality". The vast majority of people understand these things, and you don't. Please, seek therapy. I'm not saying that sarcastically or beligerantly. I'm saying it with your future in mind. Hopefully, it can be better than your past.

Oppression and tyranny and fear mongering might well hold this society together but it needs to be improved.

Improved - certainly. Nothing you've ever suggested is an improvement though.

 

[JPC sr]

The truth will set us all free.

Being self centered and self serving is neither moral or ethical.

That can be true and correct but for a principle it falls short.

Jesus said to clean out our own eye first so we can see clearly in helping others - paraphrased link HERE.

So we really do need to be self centered and self serving in the correct ways before one can preach rightfully to others.

It is a two (2) step method of fix thyself first then take it to the world.

This is what I have done and still try to do.

Are you for real, or are you somebody else pretending to be the "JPC" guy? You sure are doing a good job of making him look like an idiot. Does he know you are on here sabotaging his campaign?

I am the real person,

and to "look" like an "idiot" is very misleading because looks are deceptive.

 

[JPC sr]

The truth will set us all free.

Okay I promised I wouldn't heckle you, but I have to know specifically which points you see as valid?

All my karma goes out as gray or blue since I am the King of red Karma.

So my most valid point of this thread is that:

Everybody gets saved because Jesus paid the penalty for everyone.

 

[2ndAmendment]

All my karma goes out as gray or blue since I am the King of red Karma.

So my most valid point of this thread is that:

Everybody gets saved because Jesus paid the penalty for everyone.

LIE from the pits of hell!

 

[PsyOps]

All my karma goes out as gray or blue since I am the King of red Karma.

So my most valid point of this thread is that:

Everybody gets saved because Jesus paid the penalty for everyone.

Everyone… you are relieved of any spiritual responsibility of your actions. Go steal, lie, cheat, blaspheme God, murder, whatever… Do not ask for forgiveness, as it is not necessary; you are saved anyway. A new day has been born where we no longer have to act in accordance with God’s will: love one another, do unto other, the 10 Commandments, etc... You don’t even have to accept Jesus as your Lord and savior. JPC has granted us a new way to salvation.

 

[fredcaudle]

That can be true and correct but for a principle it falls short.

Jesus said to clean out our own eye first so we can see clearly in helping others - paraphrased link HERE.

So we really do need to be self centered and self serving in the correct ways before one can preach rightfully to others.

It is a two (2) step method of fix thyself first then take it to the world.

This is what I have done and still try to do. I am the real person,

and to "look" like an "idiot" is very misleading because looks are deceptive.

"Jesus said to clean out our own eye first so we can see clearly in helping others - So we really do need to be self centered and self serving in the correct ways before one can preach rightfully to others."

You've got to be kidding me... This thread had priests believing in gospel of inclusion... I think even their heads would spin on this one! How in the world can an educated or uneducated person get that out a verse...

 

[JPC sr]

The truth will set us all free.

Everyone… you are relieved of any spiritual responsibility of your actions. Go steal, lie, cheat, blaspheme God, murder, whatever… Do not ask for forgiveness, as it is not necessary; you are saved anyway. A new day has been born where we no longer have to act in accordance with God’s will: love one another, do unto other, the 10 Commandments, etc... You don’t even have to accept Jesus as your Lord and savior. JPC has granted us a new way to salvation.

If we (or one) commit any sin now then we reap what we sow now in this present time.

If one does "lie, cheat, blaspheme God, murder", etc., then they will pay any penalty ourself now as we live in this present world and not after death.

If one steals then they live as a thief, or perhaps goes to jail, same with murder or any sin then the person lives here as a murderer and maybe life in jail or executed by the law but not torture for all eternity after they die.

The ten commandments and all of Jesus teachings ALL tell us how to live now because now is what matters and not after death because after death is all taken care of by Jesus sacrifice.

Consider Adolf Hitler as he must be in Hell now some 62 years in torment and torture with the loving Christ looking on if the Orthodox "Hell" were true, and claiming we do not know who is in Hell is a big cop-out because if Hitler is not burning then the rest of us certainly do not compare to him so that if Hitler is not burning then we sure have nothing to worry about.

I say the "Hell" is not a correct interpretation and that Jesus would never do that to anyone, and Jesus said to love our enemies link HERE because our Father in Heaven does that.

If Adolf Hitler (or anyone else) is burning in Hell then that God would be a tyrant and a monster and a hypocrite.

But fortunately Jesus did pay the penalty in full (not partial) and all of mankind does get saved.

Hitler was punished here on earth. His thousand year empire fell before his eyes and he had to kill himself in total defeat and on Judgement Day he will probably be the most repentant of us all because his greater sins are forgiven as are our lesser sins are by the blood of Christ.

On Judgement Day then everyone will be a true believer.

 

[2ndAmendment]

If we (or one) commit any sin now then we reap what we sow now in this present time.

If one does "lie, cheat, blaspheme God, murder", etc., then they will pay any penalty ourself now as we live in this present world and not after death.

If one steals then they live as a thief, or perhaps goes to jail, same with murder or any sin then the person lives here as a murderer and maybe life in jail or executed by the law but not torture for all eternity after they die.

The ten commandments and all of Jesus teachings ALL tell us how to live now because now is what matters and not after death because after death is all taken care of by Jesus sacrifice.

Consider Adolf Hitler as he must be in Hell now some 62 years in torment and torture with the loving Christ looking on if the Orthodox "Hell" were true, and claiming we do not know who is in Hell is a big cop-out because if Hitler is not burning then the rest of us certainly do not compare to him so that if Hitler is not burning then we sure have nothing to worry about.

I say the "Hell" is not a correct interpretation and that Jesus would never do that to anyone, and Jesus said to love our enemies link HERE because our Father in Heaven does that.

If Adolf Hitler (or anyone else) is burning in Hell then that God would be a tyrant and a monster and a hypocrite.

But fortunately Jesus did pay the penalty in full (not partial) and all of mankind does get saved.

Hitler was punished here on earth. His thousand year empire fell before his eyes and he had to kill himself in total defeat and on Judgement Day he will probably be the most repentant of us all because his greater sins are forgiven as are our lesser sins are by the blood of Christ.

On Judgement Day then everyone will be a true believer.

Hitler did not have a 1000 year empire.

Everyone can be saved, Jesus died for all, but not everyone will be saved because those that do not believe and do not accept lose out on the gift. At the judgment, everyone will believe for then they will see with their own eyes, but it will be too late for those that did not accept Jesus as Savior and Lord in this life by faith without seeing.

JPC, you are preaching a false gospel, a lie. If you lose the election, take it as a sign that you are wrong about this lie you are asking everyone to believe and change your ways.