I'm at a loss for words.

[ICit]

Any dog can attack.

My dogs are the most amazing, loving dogs in the world.

Then again, I don't leave them chained up to a tree in my front yard throwing dinner scraps out for food. Never allowing them interaction with other dogs or humans. Those are the dogs (no matter the breed) that tend to go off when they escape.

No offense, but you remind me of this guy:




I'm under the impression that it could go 2 ways.

1). The dog would never have been shot.
2). It would have been bigger. I feel like more people are sympathetic to other "breeds".

i dont think it would have been shot...

and if it was... it would not have been a big deal.

 

[Hank]

I dind't say that I wanted to kill him. I said that I can't wait until he dies. :shrug:

What does the dog do to make you want it to die?

 

[Chris0nllyn]

i dont think it would have been shot...

and if it was... it would not have been a big deal.

Possibly.

I just think people would be asking "why shoot such a small dog"? I thoroughly believed that not many people would call for some sort of charges simply because it was a pit. The guy said he was almost attcked, and many people would have believed that because they see it in the news.

Americans tend to be very quick to defend dogs/cats.

 

[warneckutz]

Americans tend to be very quick to defend dogs/cats.

Hell yeah...

 

[Chris0nllyn]

Hell yeah...

Not a bad thing. Like I said, I'm guilty of it.

Problem is, people tend to let emotions get involved in arguments. Those emotions can sometimes get in the way of a sane argument.

 

[ICit]

Possibly.

I just think people would be asking "why shoot such a small dog"? I thoroughly believed that not many people would call for some sort of charges simply because it was a pit. The guy said he was almost attcked, and many people would have believed that because they see it in the news.

Americans tend to be very quick to defend dogs/cats.

so last night after my HOA meeting.... a nasty arse min pin lunged at me (and the others near me) he was on a leash

he came within a few inches of making contact with me. my neighbor knows he is aggressive... but yet he does get away from her alot.

and she does tie him out front and leave him unattened while kids are playing outside.

this is NOT THE FIRST TIME he as tried to attack me.... I have warned her that i will kick the #### out of him if he does bit me... and there is a chance that if he charges one of my dogs and my dogs get him... THEY WILL kill him.


i let my dogs wander the Hood.... i dont walk my dogs around the hood.... and i dont tie my dogs out front because I do worry that if provoked they would bite someone.
with that said most of my dogs are not aggressive. my one GSD is trained in protection but is very social.

 

[vraiblonde]

Why does no one seem to care that as often-wandering dog, a breed that has a bad-reputation for lethal and near-lethal bites, is located near a daycare?

How smart is it to have a daycare "mascot" that is a pitbull? It's not, that's why.

If I were a parent, I would absolutely NEVER have my child at a daycare within near proximity to a pitbull, despite how cuddly, warm, and friendly it may be.

Has anyone from the Childcare Licensing Board, or whatever it is called, paid a visit to the daycare to see why they freely allowed a wandering, dangerous-breed dog around/on their property?

I'm glad you said that because I was wondering the same thing. I just had other arguments to make and didn't get around to that one.

 

[vraiblonde]

Because sometimes perpetuating a sterotype isn't the best option.

Yeeeeeah... I'm going to go out on a limb and say there's a lot of fear and misunderstanding about a certain dog breed inside some of these comments.

Stereotypes are typically based on reality. They don't just materialize out of thin air. Some reporter didn't just wake up one morning and go, "Gee, you know, I think I'll ruin the reputation of pitbulls today." The dogs have known aggression issues and weird temperaments, and if you want to deny that you can go right ahead but the data is there.

 

[KDENISE977]

Stereotypes are typically based on reality. They don't just materialize out of thin air. Some reporter didn't just wake up one morning and go, "Gee, you know, I think I'll ruin the reputation of pitbulls today." The dogs have known aggression issues and weird temperaments, and if you want to deny that you can go right ahead but the data is there.

Now comes the "prove it" data..... 1.....2....

 

[ArkRescue]

Folks need to realize that their furry family member becomes a dangerous animal when it's trespassing on someone else's property.

Keep your animals on your property

however dogs do escape, and all dogs that get loose shouldn't end up dead.

I have a new neighbor who moved in one day and the next day promptly let their dog run loose and their dog came over to chase my horses all over the field. Thankfully the dog was stopped by our volunteer who heard the commotion and investigated. I was relieved that horses didn't jump or run through a fence while running away from the dog. The neighbor was told to please keep his dog in his yard and if his dog is injured by the horses we wouldn't be responsible for vet bills or if the dog died from injuries sustained. 2 days later the neighbors dog was on my deck - coming to visit I guess? I didn't pet the dog, I had the dog follow me over to his home and when I got close I called out to the neighbor in their yard - "hey you need to get your dog". I don't want to run electric around the bottom of the board fence because my other neighbor has a dachshund that comes over to my field to go potty and I don't mind that - very sweet and old doggie and he doesn't chase the horses.

We have several neighbors who feel compelled to let their dogs run loose, hoping the dogs will stay on their property, sometimes they don't. I wouldn't go so far as to kill someone's dog unless it was being aggressive, and even then the dog would have to do more than growl, as many times a growling dog is actually afraid, and won't attack. I am sure my dog would want to defend me, but I don't want my dog bit up either. I fear that one day I will come home and be traumatized by seeing a neighbor's dog dead in the road.

 

[Chris0nllyn]

Stereotypes are typically based on reality. They don't just materialize out of thin air. Some reporter didn't just wake up one morning and go, "Gee, you know, I think I'll ruin the reputation of pitbulls today." The dogs have known aggression issues and weird temperaments, and if you want to deny that you can go right ahead but the data is there.

Ever notice how many of those "pitbull attack" stories typically don't have pictures of the said dog? Many times it's simply word of mouth because the dog was stocky and had short hair. Then again, why on earth would a new agency run a story simply for ratings? That's just crazy talk.

You can deny it if you want, but the data is there.

Published news reports may conflict with each other, or contain substantive, even egregious errors. The CBS affiliate in Little Rock, Arkansas, for example, accompanied its report of a dog bite-related fatality in November with a photograph of the two dogs supposedly involved. The photo had been obtained from a Facebook page, and was not a picture of the dogs involved!
NCRC contacts officials in each case, re-interviewing media sources and locating others including police investigators, animal control officers, coroners, veterinarians, health department officials, dog owners, and eye witnesses. We examine official reports which often do not agree with news accounts including incident reports, bite reports, human and animal autopsy reports, and crime scene data and photographs. Not all are available with respect to every case, but many cases are subjects of extensive official investigations, and allow us to supplement or correct media reports with relevant, material information in over 90% of these incidents.

http://nationalcanineresearchcounci...mce/Preliminary Investigative Report 2013.pdf

 

[vraiblonde]

Chris, you can like your pitbulls. I have no problem with that. I just don't want them around me and I don't want them around Apollo. That goes for Rotties and Chows as well. I don't want your Cane Corso around. If you want a large aggressive breed of dog, knock yourself out; all I ask is that you be responsible and take other people into consideration.

You are certainly aware that people are more leery of large dogs, more so than they would be some minpin (which I agree are nasty little effers). Some little yapper might bite you, but it's not going to cause the damage a larger dog can. It's just not and it's ridiculous to say it will. And since those people who are leery of these dog breeds, the owner should be reasonable and considerate enough to not allow the dog to roam and frighten the neighbors. If you let your dog roam and someone shoots it, it's your own fault for not being smart enough to keep the dog safe.

PS, if your dog roams and gets hit by a car, that's your fault as well.

 

[Chris0nllyn]

Chris, you can like your pitbulls. I have no problem with that. I just don't want them around me and I don't want them around Apollo. That goes for Rotties and Chows as well. I don't want your Cane Corso around. If you want a large aggressive breed of dog, knock yourself out; all I ask is that you be responsible and take other people into consideration.

You are certainly aware that people are more leery of large dogs, more so than they would be some minpin (which I agree are nasty little effers). Some little yapper might bite you, but it's not going to cause the damage a larger dog can. It's just not and it's ridiculous to say it will. And since those people who are leery of these dog breeds, the owner should be reasonable and considerate enough to not allow the dog to roam and frighten the neighbors. If you let your dog roam and someone shoots it, it's your own fault for not being smart enough to keep the dog safe.

PS, if your dog roams and gets hit by a car, that's your fault as well.

I completely agree.

Which is why I walk my dogs on a leash anytime they're out.

My neighbor thinks otherwise.

 

[vraiblonde]

So here you go, the top 10 most dangerous dogs based on bite fatalities:

http://www.curiosityaroused.com/nature/top-10-most-dangerous-dog-breeds-based-on-bite-fatalities/

Pitbull #1

But go ahead and say nobody except you even knows what a pitbull is and chihuahuas are commonly mistaken for pitbulls when they kill someone.

 

[Chris0nllyn]

So here you go, the top 10 most dangerous dogs based on bite fatalities:

http://www.curiosityaroused.com/nature/top-10-most-dangerous-dog-breeds-based-on-bite-fatalities/

Pitbull #1

But go ahead and say nobody except you even knows what a pitbull is and chihuahuas are commonly mistaken for pitbulls when they kill someone.

Well the author sure didn't write with a bias or anything

To anyone who knows dogs, the American Pit Bull Terrier is no surprise at #1 on a list of deadliest dogs. In this study the Pit Bull stood far ahead of all the other breeds with 66 fatalities attributed to it. Known for their extremely aggressive nature, many states have legislation banning the breeding of pit bulls.

Furthermore they are known to be bred for the highly illegal sport of dog fighting. Therefore, it’s no real surprise that Pit Bulls are known as the #1 deadliest dog based on bite fatalities.

Of course, one could argue that PitBulls are the most common breed of dog in the US with a population estimated to be in the millions. When the author of the story uses overall numbers, of course it looks bad. I wonder why the author didn't compare rates, or mention the DNA tests used to prove the numbers, or link to the AVMA study (I'm looking for it now), or even mention population....or any concrete evidence for that matter.....

C'mon, you're a stats girl, you know this.

Also, that link I posted above is the yearly report on dog-bite related fatalities from the National Canine Research Counsil. You have every right to believe what you will.

::EDIT::

Couldn't find the study they are mentioning, but I did find this one that studies dog bit related deaths from 2000-2009:

Conclusions and Clinical Relevance—Most DBRFs were characterized by coincident,
preventable factors; breed was not one of these. Study results supported previous recommendations
for multifactorial approaches, instead of single-factor solutions such as breedspecific
legislation, for dog bite prevention. (J Am Vet Med Assoc 2013;243:1726–1736)

Determination of breed—To examine breed of
dogs, we used media reports, animal control reports,
pedigree, parentage information, or results of DNA analysis,
when available. To evaluate the reliability of breed
determinations reported by the media, we attempted
to use concordance among reporting sources of breed
descriptors, recognizing that even with concordance,
sources could still be in error, particularly when dogs
were of mixed breeding. For single dog incidents (148
incidents), on the basis of the strict definition (exact
match), breed descriptors in media reports were discordant
for 32 of 148 (21.6%) dogs; animal control or local
law enforcement assessment of breed differed from the
media account for 45 of 129 (34.9%) dogs. On the basis
of the expanded definition (any agreement between alleged
breeds and mixes), breed descriptors among media
reports were discordant for 19 of 148 (12.8%) dogs;
animal control or local law enforcement assessment of
breed differed from the media account for 18 of 129
(14.0%) dogs. For multiple dog incidents (96 deaths involving
256 dogs), on the basis of the strict definition (exact
match), breed descriptors in media reports were discordant
for 92 of 253 (36.4%) dogs; animal control or local
law enforcement assessment of breed differed from the
media account for 94 of 217 (43.3%) dogs. On the basis
of the expanded definition (any agreement between alleged
breeds and mixes), breed descriptors among media
reports were discordant for 43 of 253 (17.0%) dogs;
animal control or local law enforcement assessment of
breed differed from the media account for 24 of 217
(11.1%) dogs.
Breed was inaccurately represented in the media in
other ways. For example, 7 deaths were originally reported
by the media as involving multiple dogs; further
investigation revealed that 8 dogs were not involved
and the deaths were actually single dog incidents. For
another 9 deaths reported by the media as involving
multiple dogs, later investigation revealed that although
multiple dogs were involved, 13 media-implicated dogs
were not involved. Thus, 16 of 256 (6.3%) deaths involved
inaccurate media reporting of the number of individual
dogs involved, yet all of these dogs had mediareported
breed descriptors.
With respect to pedigree or results of DNA analysis
for single dog cases, pedigree documentation, parentage,
or DNA information was available for 19 dogs.
These data were discordant with media reports for 7 of
19 cases on the basis of the strict breed definition and
0 of 18 cases on the basis of the expanded breed definition
Overall, breed status was assigned for dogs involved
in 45 of 256 (17.6%) DBRFs from documented
pedigree, parentage information, or DNA test results
or on the basis of concordance among media breed descriptor,
animal control breed descriptor, and the veterinarian-
assigned breed from a photograph. These 45
DBRFs involved 20 recognized dog breeds, including 2
dogs of known mixed breed.

http://avmajournals.avma.org/doi/pdf/10.2460/javma.243.12.1726

 

[vraiblonde]

Also, that link I posted above is the yearly report on dog-bite related fatalities from the National Canine Research Counsil. You have every right to believe what you will.

I read it. And...?

 

[PrchJrkr]

oh my GOD. you have the nerve to call her names???? A singe mom whose boyfriend is in Afghanistan or Iraq whose dog got out and got shot and you call her a whore?!? Not to mention your ignorant holier-than-thou, know-it-all attitude....How do you KNOW she got off without a citation??? YOU DON'T, ignorant!! Because if everyone who got a ticket/citation was made public, we would run out of room! For Gods sake, why do people not use common sense?

Single mom? Single mom? Does not said woman know about BC? Can she afford to provide for this bastard child?

Whore may be very fitting in this case, just saying...

 

[Chris0nllyn]

I read it. And...?

And now you know you can't believe what you see on the news because they are rarely correct in assuming the breed of the dog.

I mean, that's what many of you have used so far in your reasoning to dislike pitbulls, right? :shrug:

(which is also pointed out in the AVMA study in my previous post)

 

[vraiblonde]

And now you know you can't believe what you see on the news because they are rarely correct in assuming the breed of the dog.

I mean, that's what many of you have used so far in your reasoning to dislike pitbulls, right? :shrug:

(which is also pointed out in the AVMA study in my previous post)

I have expressed my dislike of many large dog breeds, not just pitbulls. They merely happen to be the ones that come up all the time in these threads. I don't want your Rottie or Chow roaming around, either. Had the shot dog been a German Shepherd, I'd have had the exact same reaction: #1, those people on the Lost Animals FB are mental cases; and #2, that woman should have controlled her animal and not let it roam.

 

[Chris0nllyn]

I have expressed my dislike of many large dog breeds, not just pitbulls. They merely happen to be the ones that come up all the time in these threads. I don't want your Rottie or Chow roaming around, either. Had the shot dog been a German Shepherd, I'd have had the exact same reaction: #1, those people on the Lost Animals FB are mental cases; and #2, that woman should have controlled her animal and not let it roam.

Ok, so we're back to agreeing then.

I didn't mean to single out YOU by saying"your dislike", just a blanket statement for a few people in this thread/forum.