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I think that aside from Larry you guys are all getting wrapped up around the wrong axles. The issue here isn't about taxes and how they are paid, or the legality or illegality of hiring illegal workers. The issue is the real impact that illegal workers have on the US, and if we are truly willing to get by without them. So what if an illegal is getting paid under the table and not paying any income tax? Would you rather have a legal worker doing that job and paying taxes that are all refunded to him PLUS getting an EIC or childcare credit to boot? If every currently illegal worker became legal, and by some lunacy they chose to keep working those crappy jobs, the US till would be out a couple of billion bucks a year paying just the EIC tab, plus a few more billion paying for medicaid/medicare and SS outlays. Where's all that extra money going to come from? The answer is our wallets, and before we rush to satisfy our emotional needs of not wanting illegals around we had better be damn sure we're willing to take the financial hit to do it.
A question was asked earlier about if I really thought imigrants would continue to do crap work for crap wages if they became legal workers, and the obvious answer to that question is HELL NO! This is why I bring into question how determined should we be to do away with people who will do these jobs, and do we as consumers really want to pay dramatic increases in costs to allow employers to offer a wage high enough to get legal workers to do these jobs? I say that we are not willing to do that. I also ask how willing we are to let large portions of our manufacturing and agriculture industries shut down because of high labor costs compared to foreign operations, and I say that we're not willing to deal with that either. We Americans talk a lot about loyalty to American business, but there's sure a lot of Toyotas, Hondas, and VWs on the road... maybe made in America but the money goes back to Japan and Germany.
To me, the relationship between illegals and the US is the same as that between the remora fish and the shark. The ramora sucks onto the side of the shark, and causes a drag on the fish that makes the shark have to work harder to swim. But, the ramora also cleans the shark and prevents buildups of bacteria and other nasty organisms that would kill the shark. So while the ramora is a drag on the host, the host couldn't live without it. So goes the illegal imigrants.
So what I am saying is not that illegal immigrants should be ignored, or that it's ok for them to be here. My point is that a lot of people in the US are getting all hyped up over emotional cues like people protesting under the Mexican flag, or talk of illegal workers not paying their fair share, or illegals having kids and them becoming US citizens, and not taking a look at the overall situation. There's a solid reason why pols have been dragging their feet on immigration reform, and it has nothing to do with votes. It's due to their realization that too much of the US economy relies on illegal workers and that deporting them or stopping them from coming here would be devastating to the country.
Yes Vrai, I am saying I don't object to having these people in the country using fake IDs, and I don't see the need to toss them any more than I see the need to deport teenagers who use fake IDs.
A question was asked earlier about if I really thought imigrants would continue to do crap work for crap wages if they became legal workers, and the obvious answer to that question is HELL NO! This is why I bring into question how determined should we be to do away with people who will do these jobs, and do we as consumers really want to pay dramatic increases in costs to allow employers to offer a wage high enough to get legal workers to do these jobs? I say that we are not willing to do that. I also ask how willing we are to let large portions of our manufacturing and agriculture industries shut down because of high labor costs compared to foreign operations, and I say that we're not willing to deal with that either. We Americans talk a lot about loyalty to American business, but there's sure a lot of Toyotas, Hondas, and VWs on the road... maybe made in America but the money goes back to Japan and Germany.
To me, the relationship between illegals and the US is the same as that between the remora fish and the shark. The ramora sucks onto the side of the shark, and causes a drag on the fish that makes the shark have to work harder to swim. But, the ramora also cleans the shark and prevents buildups of bacteria and other nasty organisms that would kill the shark. So while the ramora is a drag on the host, the host couldn't live without it. So goes the illegal imigrants.
So what I am saying is not that illegal immigrants should be ignored, or that it's ok for them to be here. My point is that a lot of people in the US are getting all hyped up over emotional cues like people protesting under the Mexican flag, or talk of illegal workers not paying their fair share, or illegals having kids and them becoming US citizens, and not taking a look at the overall situation. There's a solid reason why pols have been dragging their feet on immigration reform, and it has nothing to do with votes. It's due to their realization that too much of the US economy relies on illegal workers and that deporting them or stopping them from coming here would be devastating to the country.
Yes Vrai, I am saying I don't object to having these people in the country using fake IDs, and I don't see the need to toss them any more than I see the need to deport teenagers who use fake IDs.
Seems like that is what Larry and Bru are advocating.
Vrai, I would bet that you have no idea how many laws you break each day, but I'll guarantee you you're breaking a few. We all do, and we do it because we need to in order to meet the demands of the day. When was the last time you stopped before a railroad track, turned down your stereo, lowered you window, and listened for a train before crossing? How many traffic laws a day do you break?
Bring back slavery... nice idea but isn't slavery when someone is forced to do a master's wishes for nothing more than the master providing them with just enough subsistence to stay alive but never to make themselves free? Sorry, but I think the Democrats done beat us to it. 
flag on that one! Do you ever stop closer than the legal limit to a school bus picking up kids? I'll bet you have! Have you ever crossed the street at an unmarked crossing? I'll bet you have! I'll also bet that you're breaking laws everyday that you have no idea you're breaking unless you spend your time reading every page of the MD codes. Did you ever buy or smoke cigs before you were 18? Drink booze before age 21? Be honest now!!!