Jesus was the Sun, Not the Son of God

[Marie]

How about a movie?

I am sorry but I won't ready your long winded document. If any of it is based on the bible it'd flawed frm it's very foundation. A bettr read would be "The Three Little Pigs"!

I watched yours, how about extending the same courtesy!

 

[Xaquin44]

Matter of fact, Xaquin, it took "The Big Guy" Himself to convince me as I have shared in my previously posted testimony. I once doubted the importance of Yeshua and believed I would be OK as long as I tried to live as clean of life as possible. The Holy Bible declares that it is NOT possible for that we all have sinned and fall short of the Glory of God.

Mankind needs a Saviour; I pray that you will come to know that God's Plan of Salvation is through Yeshua HaMashiach. Only God can change our heart and only He knows what is in our heart. If you are sincere in wanting to know the True God of Salvation, He will not disappoint you and will help convince you in a way that you will know without a doubt that He has answered the desire of your heart to know the Truth.

All you can say is a book was written ....

I really don't care what the Holy Bible says (or Holly Bible for Marie) as it was written by men same as Cujo, or Jurassic Park, or If I Ran The Zoo.

And you still haven't told me how you know what you say only god can know.

I'm waiting.

 

[Starman3000m]

All you can say is a book was written ....

I really don't care what the Holy Bible says (or Holly Bible for Marie) as it was written by men same as Cujo, or Jurassic Park, or If I Ran The Zoo.

The Holy Bible is a written account of previous personal experiences with the Living and Supreme God of Creation. Herein is the difference: The Words of God are spiritually discerned (understood within one's spirit) because the carnal (human) mind is at odds with God and cannot grasp nor will believe something that cannot be explained. Here is what is recorded:

Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. (2 Peter 1:20-21)


For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
(Romans 8:5-9)

And you still haven't told me how you know what you say only god can know.

I'm waiting.

God is All Knowing, Xaquin, and He is the One that discerns the heart. The Words of The Holy Bible explain it better than I can:

For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. (Hebrews 4:12)

I love them that love me; and those that seek me early shall find me. (Proverbs 8:17)

And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart. (Jeremiah 29:13)

Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.
To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
(Revelation 3:20-21)

 

[Xaquin44]

The Holy Bible is a written account of previous personal experiences with the Living and Supreme God of Creation. Herein is the difference: The Words of God are spiritually discerned (understood within one's spirit) because the carnal (human) mind is at odds with God and cannot grasp nor will believe something that cannot be explained.

Yes, and Jurassic Park is a written account of cloning dinosaurs with DNA found in amber combined with amphibian DNA!

In other words, PROVE IT!

again, proving it does not mean quoting from it, as that proves nothing.

God is All Knowing, Xaquin, and He is the One that discerns the heart. The Words of The Holy Bible explain it better than I can:

For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. (Hebrews 4:12)

You've sidestepped this question so many times I actually laughed out loud that you did it again.

You claimed that I hate all christians in my heart. You then claimed that only god knows my heart (I actually do too as it is in fact my heart)

Again (for the fourth or fifth time) how is it that you know what you say only god does?

Or did you just assume incorrectly? (you did)

For someone who claims to be god fearing and attempting to do right by him, you seem awfully comfortable speaking for him about others.

 

[Starman3000m]

Yes, and Jurassic Park is a written account of cloning dinosaurs with DNA found in amber combined with amphibian DNA!

In other words, PROVE IT!

again, proving it does not mean quoting from it, as that proves nothing.



You've sidestepped this question so many times I actually laughed out loud that you did it again.

You claimed that I hate all christians in my heart. You then claimed that only god knows my heart (I actually do too as it is in fact my heart)

Again (for the fourth or fifth time) how is it that you know what you say only god does?

Or did you just assume incorrectly? (you did)

For someone who claims to be god fearing and attempting to do right by him, you seem awfully comfortable speaking for him about others.

LOL - Sorry but it was you that jumped to a conclusion, Xaquin; I never said that you hated Christians! I stated that Atheists hate and are antagonistic toward followers of Yeshua. Are you an Atheist?

Madelyn Murray Ohare was a prime example of an Atheist who hated and was antagonistic against Christians. Please re-read your own posts. I did not write that Xaquin hates Christians. You took it personal! Fact is: Your responses to me for my belief have been antagonistic. But, not to worry, I forgive you for that and sincerely do pray that you will find True Peace in your life that can only come through knowing Yeshua HaMashiach as Lord and Saviour.

"I Am The Way, The Truth And The Life; No Man Can Come Unto The Father Except Through Me." (John 14:6)


Logging off in ten-minutes.

 

[foodcritic]

What??

There are good people in the world of all beliefs. Fact is, the majority of people are good. But the key word is people not religion. Religion is a weapon used again others who believe differently than them. This difference has caused more death and distruction than any other cause in the world. I cringe at the thought of a religious person in the White House. They will base their decisions on a belief system that is flawed. If they base their decision on inspiration from god then they should be instutionalized for having voices in their heads. If you take the bible as the word of god then shouldn't we be killing our doctors, nurses, police officers, etc. for working on Sunday? So much of the bible actually condones putting others to death. It's nothing I'd ever want to live with in my heart. To those of you who refuse to even look at the movie it only shows how afraid you are about logical thought. The belief in god only represses logical thought. Too bad for you. Here's another link from the show West Wing. Perhaps you can pass on this one also.


Jayne, I mean no disrespect whatsoever. I dont know you so don't take this personaly. Believing that mankind is basically good is the most unreasonable certainly unprovable statements to make. It denies the reality of wickedness we see around us. You are right to some extent about religion being the cause of evil in the world but how about no religion?
Have you heard of Communism? Do you have any idea how many people were killed in Russia and Ukraine.......30 million maybe more. 30,000,000.
The reality of our wickedness runs deep in every person wheather they want to admit it or not. Our founding fathers knew the human condtiton much better than you (thankfully) They realized that non Christians could not govern themselves. Which leads me simply to quote our first president....yes that narrow minded (should have been institutionalized) George Washington who rightly stated:

""Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, Religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of Patriotism, who should labor to subvert these great Pillars of human happiness, these firmest props of the duties of Men and Citizens."

I wish we had half the understanding of the human condition as our founding fathers did.

 

[Xaquin44]

LOL - Sorry but it was you that jumped to a conclusion, Xaquin; I never said that you hated Christians! I stated that Atheists hate and are antagonistic toward followers of Yeshua. Are you an Atheist?

Madelyn Murray Ohare was a prime example of an Atheist who hated and was antagonistic against Christians. Please re-read your own posts. I did not write that Xaquin hates Christians. You took it personal! Fact is: Your responses to me for my belief have been antagonistic. But, not to worry, I forgive you for that and sincerely do pray that you will find True Peace in your life that can only come through knowing Yeshua HaMashiach as Lord and Saviour.

"I Am The Way, The Truth And The Life; No Man Can Come Unto The Father Except Through Me." (John 14:6)


Logging off in ten-minutes.

I would consider myself an atheist, so yes, you did in fact say that about me.

You are in fact wrong.

edit: and you still avoided the question.

you're almost as bad as JPC.

 

[Starman3000m]

Here's for the record Xaquin:
Quoting my text from which you drew your conclusion:

Atheists harbour antagonism (some even hatred) toward Theists, especially those who believe that Yeshua Is The Son of God, Saviour of mankind and Moshiach.

Did I state ALL Atheists hate Theists? Did I state Xaquin44 hates Christians?

NO. I said "some" which is true. As far as "Antagonism" that is a very big possibility that Most Atheists harbour antagonism toward Theists otherwise there would not be the scoffing, ridicule and smart-aleck remarks that are spewed against religion in general and belief in Yeshua in particular.

Antagonism is what fuels the mindset for Atheists to remain in denial of the possibilty that maybe, just maybe, God Really Does Exist.
Some former Atheists have testified that they always really wondered about God's existence even during their times of denial. Kind of like the thought was always at the back of their mind. Other Atheists have died cursing God on their death bed.

 

[Xaquin44]

Here's for the record Xaquin:
Quoting my text from which you drew your conclusion:



Did I state ALL Atheists hate Theists? Did I state Xaquin44 hates Christians?

NO. I said "some" which is true. As far as "Antagonism" that is a very big possibility that Most Atheists harbour antagonism toward Theists otherwise there would not be the scoffing, ridicule and smart-aleck remarks that are spewed against religion in general and belief in Yeshua in particular.

Antagonism is what fuels the mindset for Atheists to remain in denial of the possibilty that maybe, just maybe, God Really Does Exist.
Some former Atheists have testified that they always really wondered about God's existence even during their times of denial. Kind of like the thought was always at the back of their mind. Other Atheists have died cursing God on their death bed.

back pedal my foolish fellow forumite

back pedal


you haven't denied what you said after 4 pages, but now that I've called you out (several times) you begin to back pedal.

 

[ItalianScallion]

Prove anything to me that god exists and please don't use the bible to do that because I consider that a fictional story book, nothing more. Zeitgeist exists just as your bible does. The only difference is the Zeitgeist is logical.
SHOW ME YOUR PROOF!

Hello Jayne, (if you are really Jayne. Lots of MPD's here lately). I know you won't like this but the burden of proof is on you to prove that God doesn't exist and that the Bible is "a fictional story book". Like it or not, you will meet God someday. No person can rightly say that the complexity of humans and all creation came from anything but a creator. You seem to believe man's facts but are blind to the common sense and simple proof of God's existence; the universe & all that is in it. Many of the "smartest" scholars are blind to the visible evidence of God's handy work. Even a young child can see God's hand in creation. So tell me what happened in your childhood that caused you to have such disdain for God. Psychologists have shown that most people who hate or won't believe in God, have had some type of childhood trauma that caused it, whether they want to admit it or not. And please hear this: I am not making fun here in ANY way. I really want to know for my own reasons. Thanks

 

[2ndAmendment]

I'm just trying to spread the word not to attack anyone Marie. Is this you MJ? I did not conspire to attack anyone. The simple fact that you didn't want logic to get out on the net proves to me that those who believe what you do are not akind to any logic. As far as searching out this place to attack you personally that thought is crazy. I am attacking religion as a falsehood and to bring sanity back into the world. Now that I know who you are I shall start reading some of your posts. I am sure they will really be enlighting. Do you mind if I comment on them as you commented on my string?

The Bible says that God defies man's logic or wisdoom, so man's logic certainly cannot explain or explain away Y'shua.

1 Corinthians 1:18-31

18For the word of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.

19For it is written,
"I WILL DESTROY THE WISDOM OF THE WISE,
AND THE CLEVERNESS OF THE CLEVER I WILL SET ASIDE."

20Where is the wise man? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world?

21For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not come to know God, God was well-pleased through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe.

22For indeed Jews ask for signs and Greeks search for wisdom;

23but we preach Christ crucified, to Jews a stumbling block and to Gentiles foolishness,

24but to those who are the called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God.

25Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men.

26For consider your calling, brethren, that there were not many wise according to the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble;

27but God has chosen the foolish things of the world to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to shame the things which are strong,

28and the base things of the world and the despised God has chosen, the things that are not, so that He may nullify the things that are,

29so that no man may boast before God.

30But by His doing you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, and righteousness and sanctification, and redemption,

31so that, just as it is written, "LET HIM WHO BOASTS, BOAST IN THE LORD."

I am a computer scientist. I'll take God's foolishness over human wisdom and logic every time all the time.

 

[Marie]

This has all the characteristics of a conspiracy theory. It is impossible to argue effectively unless their sources can be checked- they provide none!
I think this is an amateurish invention full of numerous unproven assumptions.

These are the words of your leader.

Prove anything to me that god exists and please don't use the bible to do that because I consider that a fictional story book, nothing more. Zeitgeist exists just as your bible does. The only difference is the Zeitgeist is logical.
SHOW ME YOUR PROOF! IF YOU CAN'T REFER TO THE WORDS OF YOUR LEADER ABOVE.

Well if you want proof Christ was here there are historical records by Josepheous and Polycarp
The complexity of the various individual systems in are body could no way just happen in fact I heard a scientist say the other day "that as there theories keep getting disproved they will go to another no mater how absurd because the alternative is God and that can not be"
Proof is not faith, but changed lives are a whitness in there self, just as your heart is now, my was once the same, where I had no time for God or his word.
I wasnt concerned for the lost, and my thoughts were consumed with sex and pot and Rock & Roll. Without getting to personal on here, I think you said something to the effect that you were disapointed in me as I wasnt the same person that you used to know and that I was brain washed.
I have yet to meet a preacher that can make you want to study your Bible or give up all the things you onced loved and now hate them.
You also know I am not very social or out going by nature, so do you really think that on my own I would walk up to total strangers and hand them a tract or present them with the Gospel? By the way they dont use Cool Aid durning communion
There have been alot more impressive changes out there more so than mine, but the point is how is it that you love the things you once hated and hate the things you onced love almost overnight?
You know yourself the little tinge you feel in your heart everytime you post something negative towards God it may get numed with time but you cant deny it.
You know that there is something missing in your life and no matter what you do the joy is only tempory and it always comes back that feeling of longing but you dont know for what.
Joy comes from within, Happiness is caused by externals.

Heres the challege I put out there to anyone, I personally dont think you should do this, but I hear time and time again that it works.
Get down on your knees and tell God if he really exsist that you really want know him and if he shows himself to you in someway that your willing to serve him and surrender your will to his, of course you have to mean it.

If you want to hear a fascinating testamony check out Lon Solomons a non practicing Jew that met a crazy street preacher. Select the fist one!
http://www.mcleanbible.org/search_results.asp?query=testimony#

 

[Starman3000m]

back pedal my foolish fellow forumite

back pedal


you haven't denied what you said after 4 pages, but now that I've called you out (several times) you begin to back pedal.

Show us where I specifically wrote that you, Xaquin, "hate all Christians" as you have claimed. There is nothing to back-peddle about. Please re-read all of my comments - you won't find that comment at all.

As far as knowing what is in your heart, your own words reveal it. I don't need to know - but God knows and your responses make it very clear just by the antagonism in your own posts.

Another participant has called me a "moron" - Guess it's ok for non-believers to speak all manner of ridicule but the moment you believe I am standing my ground in my faith you try to find fault and say "what would Jesus think" in regard to my comments. Fact is - if you don't even believe in Yeshua why would it then matter to you? However, this I can tell you: Yeshua stood His ground and by His words offended many who would not accept Him because when it comes down to Reality - The Truth Hurts!

So, keep punching away, Xaquin44, you are still in my prayers as is JPC sr and those who feel they need to express their disagreements with followers of Yeshua through childish, immature and unprofessional name-calling.

"I Am The Way, The Truth and The Life; No Man Can Come Unto The Father Except Through Me." (John 14:6)

 

[Xaquin44]

Show us where I specifically wrote that you, Xaquin, "hate all Christians" as you have claimed. There is nothing to back-peddle about. Please re-read all of my comments - you won't find that comment at all.

you said:

Atheists harbour antagonism (some even hatred) toward Theists, especially those who believe that Yeshua Is The Son of God, Saviour of mankind and Moshiach.

Followed immediatly by:

C'mon Xaquin, your comments toward me in previous posts are proof of your inner feelings toward someone who believes in God and Yeshua and it was you I was thinking about when I wrote that comment.

I'd say that that is fairly conclusive as to who you were talking about.

However, if you want to back peddle, by all means do so. I have never hated the entirety of anything (unlike you with muslims and apparently atheists)

As far as knowing what is in your heart, your own words reveal it. I don't need to know - but God knows and your responses make it very clear just by the antagonism in your own posts.

Are you god starman? You say my words reveal what I'm all about, and then you claim only god knows .... so which is it? Either god knows and you don't or you know meaning you are privy to his knowledge.

Another participant has called me a "moron" - Guess it's ok for non-believers to speak all manner of ridicule but the moment you believe I am standing my ground in my faith you try to find fault and say "what would Jesus think" in regard to my comments. Fact is - if you don't even believe in Yeshua why would it then matter to you? However, this I can tell you: Yeshua stood His ground and by His words offended many who would not accept Him because when it comes down to Reality - The Truth Hurts!

It doesn't matter to me. It should (if you are as holy as you seem to claim) matter to you.

So, keep punching away, Xaquin44, you are still in my prayers as is JPC sr and those who feel they need to express their disagreements with followers of Yeshua through childish, immature and unprofessional name-calling.

Unprofessional name calling?

Lets see here, of the two of us, the first words slung were

"Atheists harbour antagonism (some even hatred) toward Theists, especially those who believe that Yeshua Is The Son of God, Saviour of mankind and Moshiach."

Wow .... that was you.

huh

Imagine that.

You labeled me (and indeed all atheists) as antagonizing christian haters.

Which is false.

 

[toppick08]

All you can say is a book was written ....

I really don't care what the Holy Bible says (or Holly Bible for Marie) as it was written by men same as Cujo, or Jurassic Park, or If I Ran The Zoo.

And you still haven't told me how you know what you say only god can know.

I'm waiting.

Not very lady-like........

 

[Xaquin44]

Not very lady-like........

I'm not a lady, so it's ok hehe

 

[toppick08]

I'm not a lady, so it's ok hehe

You a dude ?

 

[Xaquin44]

You a dude ?

yeah lol

=/


hey!

 

[PsyOps]

Zeitgeist - The Movie, 2007

Watch the first part of this movie using the link above and see for yourself, logically speaking exactly where things origionated. Religion generally sways away from Logic and I can understand that since it makes no sense what-so-ever. It's money, power and control religion wants. If you need guidence that bad here is some advice that has worked well for me and will make a difference:

Always treat others as you would have them treat you.

That's all you need. It covers everything and you don't need a money hungry organization sucking every penny they can out of you. They use that money to cause division, termoil, death and distruction anoung the population and the world. Wake up people to the real truth for that truth will set you free.
Jayne

Don't be like this guy!

You certainly woke me up... to the fact that intolerance is alive and well.

“Do unto others…” except when it comes to religion.

 

[PsyOps]

Unless you watch the movie and see it's logic you are missing the point. The bible is nothing more than a book written by man and any inspiration from god is from nature not as supreme being. The origional Jesus is Horus a Sun God.

So, do you believe in Horus?