More on that Birth Certificate thing...

[This_person]

Let's go back to something that was mentioned hundreds of posts ago.

Who has requested to see Obama's birth certificate? Which court? Which judge? Which agency is still waiting for him to produce a document they've requested?

This is actually a very valid question, for it goes to the basis of the lawsuits... Who is responsible for ensuring candidates meet the requirements of the job they seek?

In my view, the candidates themselves are responsible because there seems to be a vacuum of checks on their legality. Basically, if Arnold Schwarztzecan'tspellhisname were to run, and challenges went against him, they'd all be met with exactly the same dismissals these challenges have been met with. We all know Ahnold is not qualified, but there seems to be no process by which he'd be weeded out.

So, a citizen (or, rather, MANY citizens) have requested that he demonstrate his eligibility, and he's denied their requests. You DO have a valid point that no judge has asked, because they've not gotten to that point in any lawsuit as they've been dismissed on other technicalities first. However, technicality or not, a simple answering of the questions asked of him by his fellow citizens would have answered this issue once and for all, stopping all others from getting where they are today.

 

[This_person]

I think that's the whole point.
Nobody has willing to step up and say "lemme see some ID" and the American press failed in their job to investigate his bacground.
We knew more about some smuck that asked an awkward question then we do about the man who woulld be king.
It didn't seem top be a problem to illegally access his records.

I don't think it's the media's job. Hopefully, if nothing else comes from this, the federal elections commission or SOMEONE will institute a process by which candidates are verified for eligibility.

 

[Kerad]

I think that's the whole point.
Nobody has willing to step up and say "lemme see some ID" and the American press failed in their job to investigate his bacground.
We knew more about some smuck that asked an awkward question then we do about the man who woulld be king.
It didn't seem top be a problem to illegally access his records.

It's got to be one of two things.

Either Obama has already proven his eligibility to become POTUS, or nobody with any credibility has ever considered looking into his eligibility.

I find the latter incredibly difficult to believe.

 

[This_person]

It's got to be one of two things.

Either Obama has already proven his eligibility to become POTUS, or nobody with any credibility has ever considered looking into his eligibility.

I find the latter incredibly difficult to believe.

Very good, so I'll return the question to you; who of credibility and authority has determined his actual eligibility?

 

[Kerad]

Very good, so I'll return the question to you; who of credibility and authority has determined his actual eligibility?

I would have to think somebody has, because Hillary and McCain would not have overlooked this as an issue if they thought it had any merit.


Again. As I have asked hundreds of posts ago...don't you wonder why there isn't anybody from the GOP going crazy over this? Anybody???

 

[aps45819]

I don't think it's the media's job. Hopefully, if nothing else comes from this, the federal elections commission or SOMEONE will institute a process by which candidates are verified for eligibility.

The FEC opted out because he didn't take the public finance funding (like he said he was going to do)

All I've been able to find on the subject is you just fill out a form, sign it and turn it in.
That's it unless somebody challenges your eligibility. :shrug:

I think Alan Key's suit in CA has a good chance of going through because he has standing since he was on the ballot there.

 

[This_person]

I would have to think somebody has, because Hillary and McCain would not have overlooked this as an issue if they thought it had any merit.


Again. As I have asked hundreds of posts ago...don't you wonder why there isn't anybody from the GOP going crazy over this? Anybody???

I would like to think somebody has, but I've yet to hear any state authority from any state that had Obama as a candidate announce: "We've seen the vault copy, he was definately born on XX date, 1961, at Such & Such Hospital with Dr. Soandso delivering. This is a dead issue, because we've seen it!"

 

[Kerad]

I would like to think somebody has, but I've yet to hear any state authority from any state that had Obama as a candidate announce: "We've seen the vault copy, he was definately born on XX date, 1961, at Such & Such Hospital with Dr. Soandso delivering. This is a dead issue, because we've seen it!"

Well, the Supreme Court has the case now...so I'm sure if there's some legitimate doubt about his eligibility, they'll set the process of determination into motion.

 

[PsyOps]

That's not the point.

The point was that Obama was criticized for wasting SCOTUS time and tax payer money on this, when it clearly is not he who is to blame. Those who filed the suits are clearly to blame for any time and money spent.

If BO had just produced what was asked of him then we wouldn't be having this discussion. But our SCOTUS is there for this very reason. It's never a waste of time bringing Constitutional issues to the SCOTUS.

 

[Pete]

It is backwards.


Here. I will make this as simple as possible for you.

The people who sent this to the Supreme Court...they're the ones responsible.



Ta-Da!!!!

No Otter is correct. Let me make this as simple as possible for you.

Obama is responsible because there is a shadow of a doubt he is constitutionally qualified. Present the document to a court, the constitutionally appointed finder of fact in our legal system, and remove the doubt, suit goes away never to be brought again. Fight it and the suit gets appealed and appealed and appealed and wastes the time and money of the court system.

Ta-Da!!!!!

 

[Larry Gude]

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I don't know enough about that to say one way or the other. All I know is that it's a bit backwards to blame Obama for any SCOTUS time or taxpayer money wasted on this.

...you have consistently left out of the equation the politics involved with this. The Clinton camp let it leak a long time ago that they had something big on him and when Bubba was effectively silenced for racism when he made his fairy tale comments, the Clinton's got the message; shut up or we will run you down.

Now, certainly, it was a pleasure watching someone bully the ultimate political bullies, but, that does not settle the question. Obama has proven himself a political expedient who will do what he perceives to be in his interest, never mind what he may or may not have promised.

He long ago decided that he would stone wall on this issue. It's just far to simple to have put to rest otherwise. In all honesty, you've got to figure he didn't actually think he'd win, so, that made it a likely non issue.

You don't want to consider the possibility and, as far in as everyone is on his side, I understand that; largest possible stakes.

 

[PsyOps]

Well, the Supreme Court has the case now...so I'm sure if there's some legitimate doubt about his eligibility, they'll set the process of determination into motion.

Since you are so sure this is waste of time wouldn't you like to see it played out and prove BO to be right so you can sit back and play "I told you so..." and "Now you BO-haters can shut up now"?

Or perhaps you are really wooried that this could possibly be true.

 

[Bann]

This is actually a very valid question, for it goes to the basis of the lawsuits... Who is responsible for ensuring candidates meet the requirements of the job they seek?

In Alan Keyes' suit, he states that the Secretary of State in California

BACKGROUND OF THE CASE
78. The Office of the Secretary of State of California is the California agency responsible for certifying candidates for inclusion on the ballot. Historically, California Secretaries of State have exercised their due diligence by reviewing necessary background documents, verifying that the candidates that were submitted by the respective political parties as eligible for the ballot were indeed eligible. In 1968, the Peace and Freedom Party submitted the name of Eldridge Cleaver as a qualified candidate for President of the United States. The then SOS, Mr. Frank Jordan, found that, according to Mr. Cleaver’s birth certificate, he was only 34 years old, one year shy of the 35 years of age needed to be on the ballot as a candidate for President. Using his administrative powers, Mr. Jordan removed Mr. Cleaver from the
ballot. Mr. Cleaver unsuccessfully challenged this decision to the Supreme Court of the State of California, and, later, to the Supreme Court of the United States. Similarly, in 1984, the Peace and Freedom Party listed Mr. Larry Holmes as an eligible candidate in the Presidential primary. When the
then SOS checked his eligibility, it was found that Mr. Holmes was similarly not eligible, and Mr. Holmes was removed from the ballot. Currently, we have a similar situation in that the Democratic Party has submitted the name of Senator Barack Obama as candidate for President.

http://forums.somd.com/politics/160480-more-birth-certificate-thing-9.html#post3393474
http://www.soundinvestments.us/files/final_writ_keyes_v_bowen.pdf?<br /> <br />

 

[ImnoMensa]

I would have to think somebody has, because Hillary and McCain would not have overlooked this as an issue if they thought it had any merit.


Again. As I have asked hundreds of posts ago...don't you wonder why there isn't anybody from the GOP going crazy over this? Anybody???

The issue may have been overlooked, because it never came up before.

Who would ever believe a person not qualified to run for prison would have the balls to not only run but win.

The media was certainly in the tank and they still are. bubba was frightened to bring it up because of a racist charge and Mccain wouldnt say $hit if he had a mouthful.

The GOP isnt going nuts over this because they dont have proof either, Obama has been great at hiding his past. They are frightened of the racism charge too.

Its up to the Supremes and I dont expect they have the courage to order Bracko to produce it either.

 

[ImnoMensa]

Anybody heard anything yet?

 

[Tilted]

Anybody heard anything yet?

The orders that arise from a Friday conference are usually released the following Monday in one big batch. So, I wouldn't expect to hear anything on Donofrio's application until then.

 

[Kerad]

If BO had just produced what was asked of him then we wouldn't be having this discussion. But our SCOTUS is there for this very reason. It's never a waste of time bringing Constitutional issues to the SCOTUS.

Do I have to keep saying the same damn thing to you people?

No one in any position of authority has asked Obama to produce anything regarding this "case". You've all bought into the internetz spazz.


If they do...he will.

Funny how you all think you internet CyberPatriots know more than the Clinton/McCain folks. As well as ANYBODY from Congress, the House of Reps...ANY of the State's Governors.,,including Alaska Barbie. The FEC.....



Your desperation is hilarious.

 

[Beaver-Cleaver]

let me make this as simple as possible for you whackjobs





for the 4th time



the case the scotus conferenced on yesterday was over...

Mr. Obama demonstrated his citizenship during his campaign by circulating copies of his birth certificate, which showed he was born in Hawaii on Aug. 4, 1961. But unlike many of the lawsuits regarding Mr. Obama's citizenship -- which claim he really was born on foreign soil -- Mr. Donofrio's case concedes that Mr. Obama was born in Hawaii but says he still held foreign citizenship at birth.

"Since Barack Obama's father was a citizen of Kenya, and therefore subject to the jurisdiction of the United Kingdom at the time of Senator Obama's birth, then Senator Obama was a British citizen 'at birth,' just like the framers of the Constitution, and therefore, even if he were to produce an original birth certificate proving he were born on U.S. soil, he still wouldn't be eligible to be president."

:tada:







even though it's clear that anyone born on american soil is a natural-born american citizen at birth.

So it wouldnt matter if he walked in with the original birth certificate it still wouldnt satisfy donofrio





not that you righties care you WILL NOT be satisfied until someone puts alaska airhead in the white house

 

[This_person]

Do I have to keep saying the same damn thing to you people?

No one in any position of authority has asked Obama to produce anything regarding this "case". You've all bought into the internetz spazz.


If they do...he will.

Funny how you all think you internet CyberPatriots know more than the Clinton/McCain folks. As well as ANYBODY from Congress, the House of Reps...ANY of the State's Governors.,,including Alaska Barbie. The FEC.....



Your desperation is hilarious.

Now, wait a minute....

How do you reasonably go from Nobody's asked him for it yet!! to "why do you think fellow citizens know more than Clinton/McCain/Congress/House of Reps (sic)/Governors/Palin/FEC...."? Did any of THOSE folks ever ask him for it? Did any of those folks see the vault copy?

You can't have it both ways. You were most right when you said:

Well, the Supreme Court has the case now...so I'm sure if there's some legitimate doubt about his eligibility, they'll set the process of determination into motion.

You should have stuck with that, because it was the most right thing you've said on here so far.....

 

[ImnoMensa]

Obama has three legal teams on this and so far has spent a reported $800,000 dollars to avoid producing a birth certificate. Who is desperate????????????????