More on that Birth Certificate thing...

This_person

Well-Known Member
let me make this as simple as possible for you whackjobs





for the 4th time



the case the scotus conferenced on yesterday was over...








:tada:







even though it's clear that anyone born on american soil is a natural-born american citizen at birth.

So it wouldnt matter if he walked in with the original birth certificate it still wouldnt satisfy donofrio





not that you righties care you WILL NOT be satisfied until someone puts alaska airhead in the white house
Most of us are not concerned over this lawsuit for this very reason.... We're talking primarily about the Berg and Keyes lawsuits, which actually have merit and are to the point of the discussion.

However, your "alaska airhead" comment and Kerad's Alaska Barbie comment are quite telling - you clearly fear and therefore belittle and demonize an intelligent, conservative, successful, and attractive woman. I don't know what it is about Palin that scares liberals so much, but it's really funny to watch you all attack her with no basis whatsoever. She gaffed about 1% of what Biden did, she has 10000% more experience than the president-elect in actually governing something, and she clearly knew the Constitution better than Matthews, et al., when she said the VP is the president of the Senate and they tried to vilify her for knowing that (because they didn't).

So, I know it's :offtopic:, but what scares you so much about a conservative, intelligent, successful, attractive woman?
 

MMDad

Lem Putt
So, I know it's :offtopic:, but what scares you so much about a conservative, intelligent, successful, attractive woman?

All women scare him. It reminds him that he will never have a relationship with one.

His fear is a good thing, because it prevents him from ever reproducing and passing on his pathetic loser genes. Darwinism works! :yahoo:
 

lewis7lewis

New Member
Sore Loser!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

From the Atlas Shrugged website:

After the 3rd Circuit Court told Berg he had no standing, he filed for the Writ of Certioari to the SCOTUS. But apparently Obama has until Dec. 1 to respond to this. I wonder what the answer will be?





Berg's website
Obama Crimes

Where do you get your facts from and should'nt you have got this info
and done something about it before he won the election or is it your just
an IDIOT.
 

Hessian

Well-Known Member
Finally..

after reading this dialogue for the past several days...I decided to jump in.

We have two apparent cases that have Merit: Berg & Keyes.
We know there may be several other minor tag-alongs.
Knowing that the supreme court acts,...slowly...on cases.--Will either of these two be heard/ruled on before inauguration?

I am certain that the court will struggle more in deciding the President's eligibility ...after he is already seated.

Can President Barry use executive powers to further shield his cloudy past? (G. Mason wrote of this type of concern to GW after he read the draft copy of the constitution).


What is the phase that follows the preliminary hearing that was held on Friday?...dismissal or schedule date for ruling???

After reading Bann's posting on the Keyes case,....I believe that that precident in California is enough to get the ball rolling. Is there any date when that suit will be appealed/heard?

If nothing is gained by this pursuit...it still proves that the mainstream media is failing to fulfill the goals assumed by our founders. Their glorification of his Majesty Barry O...is a very dangerous pattern, perhaps not seen since the first two years of FDR's administration.
 
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PsyOps

Pixelated
Where do you get your facts from and should'nt :eyebrow: you have got :eyebrow: this info
and done something about it before he won the election or is it your just
an IDIOT
.

This seems to be your default answer to just about everything. Do you have any kind of factual argument to provide to anything in this forum? I mean if we're all idiots, you must have some superior information to counter us.

:tap:
 
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Rommey

Well-Known Member
No one in any position of authority has asked Obama to produce anything regarding this "case".
As a general rule, don't you think there should be a way of validating that one has met all the requirements? I have seen some email traffic from several Secretaries of State that say it isn't their job to verify or validate the eligibility of the candidates.

The Constitution set the rules, but so far, nobody that should be in a position to do so, has taken the responsibility to make that determination of eligibility. Since there is no "Federal" election, it falls to the responsibility of the individual states to ensure only an eligible person is on the ballot. This would seem to indicate that the office in charge of the elections and the office responsibly for certifying the election should be the one's tasked with this.

The courts have said that individual citizens have no standing and therefore can't challenge the validity. The SoS doesn't do it and there is no real recourse to challenge the validity of a candidate.
 

Rommey

Well-Known Member
Another twist on something that could happen if this doesn't get resolved to at least a court's satisfaction:
So, other than the EC, can anyone else prevent this from happening? Yes. You. You can bring the court case that will survive the challenge from Obama, the Plaintiff lacks standing.

Issue: Given that the President functions as Commander in Chief (“CIC”) of the armed services under the U.S. Constitution; that the CIC is authorized to order members of the armed services, including the national guard, into combat duty; that while serving combat duty such combatants may logically be required to inflict casualties on the enemy; and that causing the death of another under the color of law but not the rule of law could subject that combatant to criminal charges of murder and, on conviction, to execution for his crime; does a member of the military or national guard, currently deployed in or scheduled for deployment to a combat situation, have the particularized standing required by the federal court so as to create a case or controversy under Article III of the U.S. Constitution to successfully petition the federal court to examine whether Barack Obama is a natural born citizen and rule on his eligibility to be POTUS?

Answer: Yes.

The elements that would establish standing in federal court, and which Judge Surrick found missing in the Berg case; would be present in a case where the nexus between the injury that would likely result if Obama is not a natural born citizen is more direct. For example, if Obama is not a natural born citizen then he is legally ineligible to be POTUS. And that means any orders he issues under the color of law of POTUS lack the real authority of law. Commanding troops to go into combat where they will likely inflict casualties on the enemy, if illegal, thus exposes soldiers to the death penalty under the Uniform Code of Military Justice, merely for doing what they believed was their job. (Conversely, under the Code, questioning the legitimacy of the President to hold this position once he is in office subjects soldiers to discipline under “Contempt for Officials.”) This nexus between Obama’s ineligibility and the likely harm that would result establishes standing, in the eyes of the law.

Mr. Obama also pointed out to the court that alleging a violation of Article II “fails to state a claim for which relief can be granted because it fails to establish a cause of action.” Mr. Berg justified his presence before the court by citing the Declaratory Judgment Act. But as Obama successfully argued, this Act only affords a procedural remedy to an underlying cause of action. Thus, “a court must find an independent basis for jurisdiction.” And there is no federal cause of action under Article II. But he was wrong.

There certainly is a cause of action under 42 U.S.C. §1983 for soldiers who would be compelled to engage in conduct that could result in execution, deprived of due process of law because their Commander in Chief is ineligible for office.

42 U.S.C. §1983 states
Every person who, under color of any statute, ordinance, regulation, custom or usage of any State . . . , subjects, or causes to be subjected, any citizen of the United States or any other person within the jurisdiction thereof to the deprivation of any rights, privileges, or immunities secured by the Constitution and laws, shall be liable to the party injured in an action at law …. “In order to bring action under §1983, one must allege that defendant violated plaintiff‘s constitutional rights and the deprivation must have been committed by a person acting under color of state law. Barna v. City of Perth Amboy, 42 F.3d 809, 816 (3rd Cir. 1994). Under the definition of acting under state law, the defendant in a §1983 action must have exercised power ”possessed by virtue of state law and made possible only because the wrongdoer is clothed with the authority of state law.“ West v. Atkins, 487 U.S. 42, 49 (1988) (quoting U.S. v. Classic, 313 U.S. 299, 326 (1941)).

And there’s a cause of action under that same law for all of the families of all of those members of the armed forces, including National Guard members who would be deprived of their loved ones under such a scheme.

The most obvious “person” subjecting Plaintiff(s) to this unlawful “deprivation” in a §1983 suit is the S of S in Plaintiff’s state. But Defendants could also include Barack Obama; Nancy Pelosi; the DNC; and the state Party chair, since all of these people were inextricably bound up in the governmental function of carrying out the election to be deemed state actors in this enterprise.

In conclusion, no one has verified candidate for POTUS Barack Obama is a natural born citizen as required by the U.S. Constitution, notwithstanding the EC is poised to cast their votes for him on December 15.

Unless someone produces documentary evidence establishing he was born in Kenya, the only forum to conclusively decide his legal status lies in federal court. This means filing a suit that would survive a challenge to standing. Given the recent pronouncements by the court in the several cases pending, among the Plaintiffs who could establish standing necessary to force this inquiry are members of the military or National Guard scheduled for deployment or about to be scheduled for deployment to a combat zone; and members of their families.
 

Bann

Doris Day meets Lady Gaga
PREMO Member
Where do you get your facts from and should'nt you have got this info
and done something about it before he won the election, or is it your just
an IDIOT.

Ooh, and you have the nerve to call me an idiot! :roflmao:
 

Bann

Doris Day meets Lady Gaga
PREMO Member
Do I have to keep saying the same damn thing to you people?

No one in any position of authority has asked Obama to produce anything regarding this "case". You've all bought into the internetz spazz.


If they do...he will.


I posted a reply before when you asked this question. That's what Alan Keye's lawsuit is about - compelling the California SOS to verify/determine Obama's eligibility. The California SOS has NOT verified his eligibility & the Keyes lawsuit is asking the court to compel the SOS to do so.
 

Rommey

Well-Known Member
Maybe Bill should put his copy on the internet. Is it the same copy Obama posted? How did Bill get a copy of a sealed document, when no one else could?? Who gave it to him?

When he said "We have a copy of it" I took it to mean 'We, collectively, have a copy, available on the internet', not 'We, Bill's organization, have a certified, paper copy".

I could be wrong, but I don't think he has a copy, certified or otherwise.
 

ImnoMensa

New Member
Another Obama Birth Certificate Case Heads To U.S. Supreme Court... - NATIONAL, Part of the Red County Network

Another appeal filed on the birth certificate. Tha California Supreme Court turned this down in only two days. Was it because the suit was bad or because it allowed the people who filed the suit to get to the US Supreme Court faster. It appears this one has at least someone who it will be hard to deny standing to.

Someone said only we here at SOMD actually cared about this birth certificate thing. It appears again that others AE interested, and it also appears that its going to get harder for the Supreme Court to sluff it aside without at least taking a gander at the original vault copy of Bracko bama's birth certificate.

If the document is real what harm can it do Bracko for the Supreme's to take a peek at it.? If it isnt real then let the hair go with the hide ,dismiss this usurper ,and let's get a President that is Constitutionally qualified.
 

aps45819

24/7 Single Dad
If the document is real what harm can it do Bracko for the Supreme's to take a peek at it.? If it isnt real then let the hair go with the hide ,dismiss this usurper ,and let's get a President that is Constitutionally qualified.

If it isn't produced, EVERY law and treaty signed by Obama will be subjected to the same round of lawsuits.
 

Kerad

New Member
As a general rule, don't you think there should be a way of validating that one has met all the requirements? I have seen some email traffic from several Secretaries of State that say it isn't their job to verify or validate the eligibility of the candidates.
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I DO think there should be. I previously expressed my opinion that all Senators, Representatives, and OBVIOUSLY Presidential and VP candidates should go through a security check.


Why wouldn't they?
 
I got a chance to read Donofrio's application. It's interesting, but very sloppy, in my opinion. He filed Pro Se, so I guess to some degree that's to be expected; however, I don't know how favorably the Justices will look upon it. In many ways he seems to have ignored the proper procedures of the Court - but I suspect that they would be able to look past that if they felt there was an important enough issue that needed to be resolved.

Although some of the legal arguments he makes are reasonable, many of them are incomplete, and in some cases he makes arguments that conflict necessarily with arguments he makes elsewhere. At one point, he cites an excerpt from a previous SCOTUS opinion, and the text he quotes does not match what is in the text of the actual opinion (based on an on line source that the SCOTUS site references as a source of opinion texts). Furthermore, the point being made by the SCOTUS opinion, on the page he cited, is the opposite of the conclusion that Donofrio uses it to argue.

The ironic thing is that he makes a more complete argument that John McCain shouldn't be on the ballot, than he does that Obama shouldn't be. (He wanted both of them excluded from the ballot, as well as one other candidate.) His argument that Obama is not a natural born citizen is basically this - there has never been an exact defining of the meaning of 'natural born citizen', and Obama doesn't meet the definition that I assume it has, therefore Obama is not eligible to the Presidency.

He argues that Congress probably doesn't have the right to further define the term, so it has to mean exactly what it means (i.e. what he assumes it means). He makes leaps of logic that just aren't justifiable. Furthermore, SCOTUS HAS held that Congress does have the authority to statutorily define different citizenship statuses and to provide a uniform rule of Naturalization (although SCOTUS has from time to time decided that some of their rules were inappropriate).

There are just too many logical and legal failings in his application to go over. Frankly, I can't see how he could end up prevailing on the merits of the arguments he has made. It's not even clear what he's asking for, since he doesn't really amend his initial action from the lower courts (he was requesting to have 3 names taken off of the ballots before the November 4th election and obviously, that can't be done at this point).

I can see only one reason why SCOTUS would grant a stay (the nature of which they would have to infer themselves since it isn't articulated by Donofrio) and grant him a writ of cert (which he hasn't even technically asked for). As sloppy as his motion is, they could see it as an opportunity to definitively clear up the meaning of 'natural born citizen', if for some reason they think its clarity is lacking.

It still seems very likely to me that they will just deny his application/petition/whatever it is. But, it sure would be exciting if they didn't. In any case, if they took any action on it, I don't think they would be addressing the questions he poses; but more so, questions that they feel need to be addressed.

If anyone wants to read his application for themselves, there's a link to it on this page.
 

Rommey

Well-Known Member
I DO think there should be. I previously expressed my opinion that all Senators, Representatives, and OBVIOUSLY Presidential and VP candidates should go through a security check.


Why wouldn't they?
Why haven't they, is the more appropriate question.

In this instance, who should be validating the eligibility?

Let me ask a hypothetical question. Let's assume that everything is exactly the same as it is today with the exception that Obama never put a copy of anything (i.e., COLB) on his website, nor has allowed anyone to see/verify/validate anything. And his only response is basically saying "trust me, I'm legit"...would you accept that as proof for him to be eligible?
 
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