Move over JPC - Meet super-duper deadbeat

[MMDad]

Recent news reports say that Wal-Mart has started to do as other big stores have been doing and has stopped prosecuting shop lifters as the practice was expencive and it hurt the company's immage. Now they will only have the person arrested if they fail to cooperate and do not have a valid identification. FYI.

Do you have a quote from an actual news report, or did this come to you during one of your heroin trips?

It's nice to see that you are finally equating the crime of shoplifting with the crime of being a deadbeat.

Now it seems that your argument is that it isn't worth prosecuting the crime of shoplifting, therefore it isn't worth prosecuting the crime of being a deadbeat. So tell me, what crimes should we prosecute? Or should we let all of you criminals just go free?

 

[oldman]

Do you have a quote from an actual news report, or did this come to you during one of your heroin trips?

It's nice to see that you are finally equating the crime of shoplifting with the crime of being a deadbeat.

Now it seems that your argument is that it isn't worth prosecuting the crime of shoplifting, therefore it isn't worth prosecuting the crime of being a deadbeat. So tell me, what crimes should we prosecute? Or should we let all of you criminals just go free?

As is typical with JPC, his statement on Wal-Marts theft policy is correct but not quite as correct as he's presented. Their policy states:
If theft is of $25 or less
If culprit is 18 or under or over 65
If it was the first time they were caught.

If the above requirements are met, said person will be given a lecture and probably asked not to return to the store.

Quite a bit different than he attempted to portray it.

 

[hvp05]

Quite a bit different than he attempted to portray it.

... and still much closer to the mark than he is many other times.

His reality is whatever he wants it to be for whatever purpose he is trying to fulfill at the moment. If the world need be flat or the sky neon orange or child support unwarranted, that is what he will say.

It is also funny how people that were, at one point, willing to give him a chance are now as firmly convinced of his stupidity as the rest of us.

 

[Toxick]

Recent news reports say that Wal-Mart has started to do as other big stores have been doing and has stopped prosecuting shop lifters as the practice was expencive and it hurt the company's immage. Now they will only have the person arrested if they fail to cooperate and do not have a valid identification.

Well then, apparently it is no longer morally wrong to steal.


OK Everyone ! Street Par-TAY! Beer is on me.

Address is TBD.

 

[czygvtwkr]

Actually I have been wondering what you think a childs basic needs are. Would it be living in one of those "firebox" trailers that you are campagining against the education system using?

 

[JPC, Sr.]

The Preacher!

The courts do not put parents in jail because the custodial parents wanted fancy things for the children.

Well you can argue that hundred dollar shoes are not really "fancy" stuff but the point is that all the children already have all of their basic needs met in full already - such as housing, plenty of food, clothing, school, health care is available as it is to the rest of us, and much more is readily available, and if one is poor then the dollar store has extra extras for one buck. So the parents in jail (deadbroke already) are being pressured to provide the custodials with ONLY extra cash and not any real support for the child.

Cusodials that claim they need the child support to buy food and since they already have plenty of food so they then buy the hundred dollar shoes are preaching untrue, and for a government and its laws to put parents in jail because the custodials only want extras is what the child support systen is doing right now.

And could you please explain "The Courts are fairly closed off and cases are hard to see and certainly no links either."

Because we have a freedom of information Act for many years now and the Court records are not sealed from the public but I can not show you or anyone here a link to the info because the Courts do not provide it and the Courts make accessing the case records very difficult. That is what I meant. Otherwise if we or others want to learn more of the truth then one has to physically go to the Court and then go through its very difficult process to see any case.

I am not sure what you are saying.

I agree that the system needs to be reformed but you have to offer more than what you have.

Once you get in, what is your plan and how are you going to do it?

I have tried to say that as a Delegate for 29b then I can not dictate the outcome of child support reform, but I do feel rather certain that only I will make it happen because others do not have the gumption. So my plan has to include, and does include, that any child support reform will have to be painfully worked out in the legislature, having the House of Delegates doing its part and the Maryland Senate reworking it, and the next Governor can put in much influence and can veto any reforms, so child support reform will be a lot of hard work and I do not know what the final reform would look like but I do know what many of the problems in the system are that make child support so objectionably unjust. Such as the hard set fixed garnishments that cripple the paying parents, the failure to order percentages that would make the process a little more just, putting parents in jail when the parents can not possibly pay the unjust demands of child support, these things are huge injustices being inflicted onto American citizens / American parents, and it needs to be stopped.

 

[somd whisper]

Well you can argue that hundred dollar shoes are not really "fancy" stuff but the point is that all the children already have all of their basic needs met in full already - such as housing, plenty of food, clothing, school, health care is available as it is to the rest of us, and much more is readily available, and if one is poor then the dollar store has extra extras for one buck. So the parents in jail (deadbroke already) are being pressured to provide the custodials with ONLY extra cash and not any real support for the child.

Cusodials that claim they need the child support to buy food and since they already have plenty of food so they then buy the hundred dollar shoes are preaching untrue, and for a government and its laws to put parents in jail because the custodials only want extras is what the child support systen is doing right now. Because we have a freedom of information Act for many years now and the Court records are not sealed from the public but I can not show you or anyone here a link to the info because the Courts do not provide it and the Courts make accessing the case records very difficult. That is what I meant. Otherwise if we or others want to learn more of the truth then one has to physically go to the Court and then go through its very difficult process to see any case. I have tried to say that as a Delegate for 29b then I can not dictate the outcome of child support reform, but I do feel rather certain that only I will make it happen because others do not have the gumption. So my plan has to include, and does include, that any child support reform will have to be painfully worked out in the legislature, having the House of Delegates doing its part and the Maryland Senate reworking it, and the next Governor can put in much influence and can veto any reforms, so child support reform will be a lot of hard work and I do not know what the final reform would look like but I do know what many of the problems in the system are that make child support so objectionably unjust. Such as the hard set fixed garnishments that cripple the paying parents, the failure to order percentages that would make the process a little more just, putting parents in jail when the parents can not possibly pay the unjust demands of child support, these things are huge injustices being inflicted onto American citizens / American parents, and it needs to be stopped.

JPC,

I can see what you are trying to say but you might want to re-think that. Child expenses incur constantly. If you look back to some of Ken Kings posts and read them you will understand the expenses that go into taking care of a child.

If the custodial parent is given a certain allotment towards supporting the child and the Childs needs are met, and buys the child a 100.00 pair of shoes which buy the way is not a bad thing, then who is too say it was not from her hard earned money?

It is not like she goes into the child support enforcement agency and says hey I spent such and such amount on this over what the child support pays and I want more money.

 

[JPC, Sr.]

The Preacher!

JPC,

I can see what you are trying to say but you might want to re-think that. Child expenses incur constantly. If you look back to some of Ken Kings posts and read them you will understand the expenses that go into taking care of a child.

If the custodial parent is given a certain allotment towards supporting the child and the Childs needs are met, and buys the child a 100.00 pair of shoes which buy the way is not a bad thing, then who is too say it was not from her hard earned money?

It is not like she goes into the child support enforcement agency and says hey I spent such and such amount on this over what the child support pays and I want more money.

Because the law is putting parents into jail and a government must have reason to lock our citizens into a cage and since the children do have all their physical needs met and filled as they all already are then we have parents / American citizens in jail for nothing.

 

[somd whisper]

Because the law is putting parents into jail and a government must have reason to lock our citizens into a cage and since the children do have all their physical needs met and filled as they all already are then we have parents / American citizens in jail for nothing.

Same thing over and over JPC. Again the law is not putting parents in jail for no reason. You cannot prove that all needs are being met for all children. It does not matter if all needs are met because it is still up to both parents to provide. That is as simple as it gets.

 

[JPC, Sr.]

The Preachers!

Same thing over and over JPC. Again the law is not putting parents in jail for no reason. You cannot prove that all needs are being met for all children.

Yes I have proven it over and over again. In every locality there is resourses available to anyone in need and all the person has to do is go accept it. Plus there are many more public services for custodials with children so that if the child lacks anything then it is only because of neglect or abuse by the custodial. That is factual proof, big time.

It does not matter if all needs are met because it is still up to both parents to provide. That is as simple as it gets.

It is not simple when the government locks American parents in jail just so the custodials can have some extra cash and that is what child support is doing.

 

[Merlin99]

Yes I have proven it over and over again. In every locality there is resourses available to anyone in need and all the person has to do is go accept it. Plus there are many more public services for custodials with children so that if the child lacks anything then it is only because of neglect or abuse by the custodial. That is factual proof, big time. It is not simple when the government locks American parents in jail just so the custodials can have some extra cash and that is what child support is doing.

Have you ever met anyone who agreed with you? (who wasn't locked up)

 

[JPC, Sr.]

The Preacher!

Have you ever met anyone who agreed with you? (who wasn't locked up)

There are some people that do agree with me but I find that I am the best in the front so all else are secondary to me.

I do not like the "fathers" against mothers groups but here is a link that is kind of border line,

Alliance for Non-Custodial Parents Rights, org.

and one of its blogs, Click here.

 

[JPC, Sr.]

The Preacher!

JPC, how long are they locked up?

In Maryland the parents get three (3) years in prison for child support if the parents get $5,000. behind in arrears.

Federal laws says if the parent is $5,000. behind and crosses the State line then the parents get Federal prison for five (5) years.

Since the child support is caprecious and arbitrary and it is not set as percentages but only as hard fixed set amounts then getting $5,000. behind for low income and poor parents is fairly easy to do and the separated parents have no way to fight the injustice. Of course I plan to give them a way and stop the unjust system but it has not happened yet.

There are many parents right now in Federal prison and each of the State prisons because they can not pay the child support demands, if they could pay then the parent gets released so they are quite broke indeed.

 

[Sharon]

Deadbroke parents ...unjust child support ...and jail

When you lose the election (and you WILL LOSE) what do you plan to do to with your life?

Will you find some sort of work since you're so inclined to want to help others? Or will the crusade be over and you'll just fade into oblivion?

 

[somd whisper]

Yes I have proven it over and over again. In every locality there is resourses available to anyone in need and all the person has to do is go accept it. Plus there are many more public services for custodials with children so that if the child lacks anything then it is only because of neglect or abuse by the custodial. That is factual proof, big time. It is not simple when the government locks American parents in jail just so the custodials can have some extra cash and that is what child support is doing.

What you are not getting is that most of them would not have a need if the both parents take care of it. Child support is not putting them in jail just in order to provide extra cash. You keep saying that is proof but that is not proof. Not at all. Show me a case where the judge put someone in jail just so the mother could have some extra cash outside the what is due.

If the mother(or father) has to take care of the children, that takes more than just money. There is a heck of lot more than just money. Why should she have to do this alone or have to go to someone else other than the other parent for support of the child.

 

[MMDad]

In Maryland the parents get three (3) years in prison for child support if the parents get $5,000. behind in arrears.

Liar.

 

[czygvtwkr]

In Maryland the parents get three (3) years in prison for child support if the parents get $5,000. behind in arrears.

So exactly how long does it take to get this far behind. Even if your c/s is $500 a month it will take 10 months to get that far behind and this is if you pay nothing. If you pay $100 a month it will take you 13 months to get that far behind. Surely you can find an extra source of income (McDonalds at nights) to support your kid.

My guess is you went to court the judge didnt give you a break and you threw a temper tantrum like a child and refused to pay a dime.

I have said it before and I will say it again. There is absolutely no reason for anyone in southern maryland to not have a job.

 

[MMDad]

So exactly how long does it take to get this far behind. Even if your c/s is $500 a month it will take 10 months to get that far behind and this is if you pay nothing. If you pay $100 a month it will take you 13 months to get that far behind. Surely you can find an extra source of income (McDonalds at nights) to support your kid.

My guess is you went to court the judge didnt give you a break and you threw a temper tantrum like a child and refused to pay a dime.

I have said it before and I will say it again. There is absolutely no reason for anyone in southern maryland to not have a job.

Jimmypat (JPC) was $27,000 behind and spent months in jail, not years. You can't believe anything he tells you.

 

[Sharon]

You can't believe anything he tells you.

The way he tells it, his wife got the "prize" (child) and the $27K was her cash reward.

 

[somd whisper]

The way he tells it, his wife got the "prize" (child) and the $27K was her cash reward.

He missed out. He missed out on so much that you cannot put a price on that and it is so sad that he does not see it. How old is the son now?