Shooting of Gay Student Sparks Outcry

[AndyMarquisLIVE]

Actually, that's not true. Girls are worse than boys when it comes to appearance.

The fact is that any time you are outside the norm, you will get attention. I'm not saying it's right, merely that it is. Then to taunt people who are already hostile just adds fuel to the fire. Nobody is saying that this kid deserved to die or had it coming or anything like that (at least I'm not). But a little common sense on his part and on the part of the adults supervising him could have prevented this from happening.

The killer in this isn't all that interesting - just another psychopath thug with freaks for parents. He'd have ended up shooting someone else if the King kid hadn't crossed his radar.

Define for us what the "norm" is.

Wait, I know.

http://forum.sensiseeds.com/images/celebrities/a_the_abominabul/snoop-dogg-smoking.jpg

 

[kris31280]

Pity my child, do you?

Do you pity him because he's going to grow up in a world that we've destroyed? I do too.

Or do you pity him because he's going to grow up with an understanding of tolerance for what is becoming the social norm and it's a tolerance you don't possess?

Homosexuality is becoming a social norm. A man having sex with a picnic table or with a dead animal are not. There in lies the flaw in that arguement... I am teaching my son tolerance... tolerance of those who are different than he is but still within a moral right. It's a fine line to walk and a huge responsibility as a parent.

It's no different than any parent does, I suppose. Each parent has their own moral sense of what is right and wrong which they pass on to their children. In my morality, homosexuality is not wrong. In my morality, basic deviance in sexual practice is not wrong, but major deviance (necrophelia, public humping of a picnic table) are.

Murder is murder, but to imply that the child brought it on in any way simply because he felt the need to express his sexuality is just wrong.

 

[toppick08]

Define for us what the "norm" is.

Wait, I know.

http://forum.sensiseeds.com/images/celebrities/a_the_abominabul/snoop-dogg-smoking.jpg

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[MMDad]

Define for us what the "norm" is.

My god, Andy, you are one obtuse person.

You can say all day long that we should tolerate everyone, everyone should work according to their ability, nobody should take more than their share, everyone should be nice, nobody should break any laws, and we should teach the world to sing in perfect harmony.

That's not the point.

Humans are not perfect in their tolerance. You can dream otherwise all day long, but it ain't going to happen.

I should be able to walk around SE DC at 2 AM and feel safe. I can't. Gays should be able to be gay without fear of being beaten or killed. They can't. That's the way it is, and it isn't going to change as long as we are all human.

Being gay does not justify killing this kid, but murder is almost never justified.

I don't have a right to injure or kill somebody for their perversion, but you don't have the right to expect me to accept it either.

 

[MMDad]

Homosexuality is becoming a social norm.

That's where you are wrong. In the crowd you run with, you see it as being a norm because it is prevelant. If you watch the TV news or read the Washington Post, you'd think that half the country is gay.

Guess what? It isn't that prevelant. The largest estimate I've seen is 10% by those pushing one side of the agenda. There are also estimates it's as low as 2%. The vocal few can push the agenda all they want, but that isn't going to matter to most of us.

 

[AndyMarquisLIVE]

My god, Andy, you are one obtuse person.

You can say all day long that we should tolerate everyone, everyone should work according to their ability, nobody should take more than their share, everyone should be nice, nobody should break any laws, and we should teach the world to sing in perfect harmony.

That's not the point.

Humans are not perfect in their tolerance. You can dream otherwise all day long, but it ain't going to happen.

I should be able to walk around SE DC at 2 AM and feel safe. I can't. Gays should be able to be gay without fear of being beaten or killed. They can't. That's the way it is, and it isn't going to change as long as we are all human.

Being gay does not justify killing this kid, but murder is almost never justified.

I don't have a right to injure or kill somebody for their perversion, but you don't have the right to expect me to accept it either.

There were gay people in my high school that acted so and never got beat up ..... or shot. :shrug:

The fact is we're talking about one thug murdering a gay student, more than likely out of ego.

I can dream all day long - but the fact is this doesn't happen everyday.

 

[AndyMarquisLIVE]

That's where you are wrong. In the crowd you run with, you see it as being a norm because it is prevelant. If you watch the TV news or read the Washington Post, you'd think that half the country is gay.

Guess what? It isn't that prevelant. The largest estimate I've seen is 10% by those pushing one side of the agenda. There are also estimates it's as low as 2%. The vocal few can push the agenda all they want, but that isn't going to matter to most of us.

But most people, at least of my age, have come to accept it. The only ones who haven't are the religious types. They, however, also won't kill the person.

 

[Larry Gude]

This is getting...

...rediculous.

I guess the goal now is to see how much of society we can drag into this one incident, with all it's particulars of dressing in drag to school in 8th grade, homosexual advances, and two kids from tough backgrounds ending up in a murder.

Isn't this just a very unusual case with very unusual particulars and not some new societal cause or have I just missed the wave of middle school homophobe murders?

Hell, there's been more murders of attractive, successful college women by black men of late than 8th grade gay killings. Do we need to address why black males hate white women on a national level now?

 

[MMDad]

But most people, at least of my age, have come to accept it. The only ones who haven't are the religious types. They, however, also won't kill the person.

That's a very broad brush you're painting with, Andy.

Maybe most people you know have come to accept it. That doesn't mean society does. Guess what, Andy? There's a whole big world beyond Waldorf.

 

[Pete]

...rediculous.

I guess the goal now is to see how much of society we can drag into this one incident, with all it's particulars of dressing in drag to school in 8th grade, homosexual advances, and two kids from tough backgrounds ending up in a murder.

Isn't this just a very unusual case with very unusual particulars and not some new societal cause or have I just missed the wave of middle school homophobe murders?

Hell, there's been more murders of attractive, successful college women by black men of late than 8th grade gay killings. Do we need to address why black males hate white women on a national level now?

A rare occurrence means we need to re-engineer all of society?

 

[Sula]

That's a very broad brush you're painting with, Andy.

Maybe most people you know have come to accept it. That doesn't mean society does. Guess what, Andy? There's a whole big world beyond Waldorf.

It is a great big world. I have lived in and travel a lot of it. My experience is that acceptance of homosexuality is the norm in this country, especially among those 30 and under. The nonacceptance shown in some of the posts on this thread is quickly becoming a minority view.

 

[Pete]

I know few things about this whole situation.

I know that it makes me sick to my stomach.

I know that if I'm out and about and hear someone gay bashing I get up in their face and put a stop to it right away because I don't tolerate that crap. Love it or hate it, that's your business... but we've all got to co-exist so deal with it and look the other direction if it bothers you so much... god knows the military does and if you think that that homosexuality doesn't go on in the military then you're really turning a blind eye.

I also know that my son is going to grow up understanding that people are different and the differences are to be embraced, not persecuted.

So you inflame an already tense situation and increase the risk of violence for your gay friends to sooth your conscience?

 

[AndyMarquisLIVE]

That's a very broad brush you're painting with, Andy.

Maybe most people you know have come to accept it. That doesn't mean society does. Guess what, Andy? There's a whole big world beyond Waldorf.

Society is coming to accept it, if it hasn't already.

Look at all the famous gay actors and singers. Hell, Brokeback Mountain won an Oscar. And now, just because one thug kills some gay dude for being himself, we have some huge social discussion about why this happened.

A thug using his gun has nothing to do with society.

 

[Larry Gude]

But Pete...

A rare occurrence means we need to re-engineer all of society?

...the murder of college coeds has DOUBLED the number of murdered gay middle schoolers in the last few months!!! Doubled!!! That's an awful lot, don't you think?

 

[AndyMarquisLIVE]

A rare occurrence means we need to re-engineer all of society?

Evidently we do, on here at the least.

 

[MMDad]

Look at all the famous gay actors and singers.

Another broad brush. There are some gay actors and singers who are out, but you want to believe they are a majority because that's what MSNBC has sold you.

Get out and experience the world beyond cable news.

 

[Pete]

Society is coming to accept it, if it hasn't already.

Look at all the famous gay actors and singers. Hell, Brokeback Mountain won an Oscar. And now, just because one thug kills some gay dude for being himself, we have some huge social discussion about why this happened.

A thug using his gun has nothing to do with society.

How many states passed referendums prohibiting same sex marriages in the 2004 election cycle?

Who votes on the Oscars?

Some one else said it already, if you watch the news or broadcast TV you would think that 50% of the population are gay 49% wish they were and 1% are evil people who are intollerant, it simply isn't true. It is an agenda that is being promoted be the activists.

 

[Pete]

Evidently we do, on here at the least.

Knee jerk reactions and overstepping is typical for the immature.

 

[Baja28]

Apples and oranges.

There's no law saying you can't be gay. As far as the dead animal thing, absolute for you to spit that out. There IS a law against that. Besides, that's just anyway.

I call it as I see it. Gay is here to stay. It's people like you who have their minds in the gutter and think everyone should change their ways to fit one person. It's Un-American.

And, oh yeah, I don't plan on having children. Even if it means being single my whole life.

Just for the record, I'm not a liberal. I just think parts of the Republican Party have lost touch with what is truly conservative and have let the Bush type wingnuts take over.

What you find as the deer and table guys find as acceptable. And I bet they're aren't alone!! It's not legal for queers to marry but they're fighting it.

How long before the animal and table boinkers start their marches in San Francisco and on capital hill?? I heard the guy in Deliverance is on his way to Washington right now with the pig riding shotgun.

Open your mind Andrew!!! Be more accepting and tolerant. Everyone should be entitled to their ......their..... well whatever!!

 

[toppick08]

What you find as the deer and table guys find as acceptable. And I bet they're aren't alone!! It's not legal for queers to marry but they're fighting it.

How long before the animal and table boinkers start their marches in San Francisco and on capital hill?? I heard the guy in Deliverance is on his way to Washington right now with the pig riding shotgun.
Open your mind Andrew!!! Be more accepting and tolerant. Everyone should be entitled to their ......their..... well whatever!!