Shooting of Gay Student Sparks Outcry

[AndyMarquisLIVE]

So it got him killed?

No. The ####ing bullet that's lodged into his head is what got him killed (if that's where he was shot, article's removed now).

 

[jetmonkey]

Perhaps it's because I came from Minneapolis, which has the third largest gay population in the nation according to census data, and so you couldn't go anywhere without running in to someone else that was gay.

New numbers from the U.S. Census Bureau show same-sex households account for nearly one percent of all Minnesota couples. The 2000 Census figures provide the agency's most accurate count yet of same-sex couples. Advocates and officials alike say the numbers still don't accurately track the true number of gays and lesbians, but are an important marker nonetheless.

Wow.

 

[jetmonkey]

No. The ####ing bullet that's lodged into his head is what got him killed (if that's where he was shot, article's removed now).

No, making his gay intentions on another boy known is what got him killed

 

[jetmonkey]

Homosexuality is becoming socially acceptable, but there are regional and cultural areas where it is not acceptable. Something that the gay community needs to realize is that they are not blazing a new trail. Long ago, it was not socially acceptable to be non-Christian and people died because of it (Salem witch trials...). Women also had to fight for acceptability as more than just property of the husband and then as more than just homemakers. Not so long ago, blacks were not accepted in society and, among some people, still aren't. There is not question that some have been killed/beaten just for being black and it still happens today. Changing social acceptability takes time and it doesn't happen by force. The "militant" gay community actually hurts the cause by pushing for acceptance of more than just different behavior, but pushing for acceptance of socially freakish behavior. The further and harder you try to push the line of acceptability, the harder the line pushes back.

Don't forget the Irish!

 

[Sula]

No, making his gay intentions on another boy known is what got him killed

Do you blame bullying on school shootings? Are you saying mass shooters aren't at fault; the people that pissed them off are? I don't see a difference.

 

[ylexot]

Don't forget the Irish!

F### THE IRISH!



j/k

 

[AndyMarquisLIVE]

No, making his gay intentions on another boy known is what got him killed

That didn't get him killed.

That's like saying the 9-11 victims were killed because they ate dinner the night before. It's unfair.

The only person that got this kid killed was his murderer. Look past your social intolerances and paint the picture in black and white. There was a murderer and a victim.

You know what, we shouldn't be having this discussion in the first place. I don't understand how this turns into 13 pages of people all-but excusing this murder because the victim is gay.

 

[Pete]

That didn't get him killed.

That's like saying the 9-11 victims were killed because they ate dinner the night before. It's unfair.

The only person that got this kid killed was his murderer. Look past your social intolerances and paint the picture in black and white. There was a murderer and a victim.

You know what, we shouldn't be having this discussion in the first place. I don't understand how this turns into 13 pages of people all-but excusing this murder because the victim is gay.

Go back in the 13 pages and post the posts "excusing" the murderer.

 

[Dye Tied]

That didn't get him killed.

That's like saying the 9-11 victims were killed because they ate dinner the night before. It's unfair.

The only person that got this kid killed was his murderer. Look past your social intolerances and paint the picture in black and white. There was a murderer and a victim.

You know what, we shouldn't be having this discussion in the first place. I don't understand how this turns into 13 pages of people all-but excusing this murder because the victim is gay.

Did you expect less from this forum of tards and those that must proclaim how different they are, just like everyone else?

 

[Larry Gude]

Andy...

That didn't get him killed.

That's like saying the 9-11 victims were killed because they ate dinner the night before. It's unfair.

The only person that got this kid killed was his murderer. Look past your social intolerances and paint the picture in black and white. There was a murderer and a victim.

You know what, we shouldn't be having this discussion in the first place. I don't understand how this turns into 13 pages of people all-but excusing this murder because the victim is gay.

...you logic is flawed. Everyone ate dinner the night before. Not everyone got murdered the nest day. Fair or not, there are distinctions between the victim and those not murdered.

Further, I've yet to read anyone excuse the killer and say the victim deserved to die. Discussing causes and contributing factors neither assigns blame nor passes judgment of right and wrong nor does discussing being realistic become a defense of murder.

The murder was a murder, not manslaughter or justifiable homicide or self defense. The victim, per the story, contributed to his own demise in the same way someone flashing cash or being in the 'wrong' place and time would also contribute.

 

[jetmonkey]

Do you blame bullying on school shootings? Are you saying mass shooters aren't at fault; the people that pissed them off are? I don't see a difference.

No, I don't think mass shootings cause bullying

I made no assignment of fault. But the fact remains that if the gay child did not insert himself into the life of the other child, the other kid probably would not have shot him :shrug:

 

[toppick08]

I'm gay.........quit the hate..........

 

[jetmonkey]

The only person that got this kid killed was his murderer. Look past your social intolerances and paint the picture in black and white. There was a murderer and a victim.

I'm totally intolerant, but I could care less if this kid is gay or not. He shouldn't be shot for being gay. But if he left the other kid alone he would be alive :shrug:

 

[Sula]

No, I don't think mass shootings cause bullying

I made no assignment of fault. But the fact remains that if the gay child did not insert himself into the life of the other child, the other kid probably would not have shot him :shrug:

Flip it around...does bullying cause the shootings? I'm working the coffee as fast as I can.

 

[Baja28]

So, I'm actually trying to figure out your opinion here.
I'm simply saying that all fault in this shooting lies with the shooter. An extreme amount of intolerance caused this shooting. It doesn't matter how uncomfortable this kid felt he wasn't being threated and wasn't justified. Whether dead kid wasn't acting with social norms doesn't matter, if the intolerance doesn't end then the violence won't either.

Dead kid acting out of social norms does matter. If he hadn't done it, he'd be alive and that's my opinion. Yes the shooter is at fault, and no the lil gay boy should not have been killed ...BUT... by dressing the way he did and pushing back, he brought more attention to himself thus resulting in his death.

The only person that got this kid killed was his murderer. Look past your social intolerances and paint the picture in black and white. There was a murderer and a victim. See my comments above and wake up.

You know what, we shouldn't be having this discussion in the first place. I don't understand how this turns into 13 pages of people all-but excusing this murder because the victim is gay.

No one has come close to saying it should be excused. Again, wake up.

 

[ylexot]

I made no assignment of fault. But the fact remains that if the gay child did not insert himself into the life of the other child, the other kid probably would not have shot him :shrug:

Remove the motive and the murder doesn't happen. That doesn't excuse the murder or place blame on the victim. It's just a matter of causality. Of course, all of this is Monday morning quarterbacking.

 

[vraiblonde]

There's that intolerance again

Intolerance WILL NOT be tolerated!

 

[jetmonkey]

excusing this murder because the victim is gay.

I don't see anyone saying that :shrug: Murder is bad, m'kay, doesn't matter what the sexual preference of the victim was or why the murderer did it :shrug:

 

[jetmonkey]

Flip it around...does bullying cause the shootings? I'm working the coffee as fast as I can.

I don't know :shrug:
As far as I can tell people kill others because they are #######s, I don't really need a reason beyond that.

 

[AndyMarquisLIVE]

Murder is bad, m'kay, doesn't matter what the sexual preference of the victim was or why the murderer did it :shrug:

Then why do we have the big ole' thread debating this in the first place?