Southern County Youth Football & Cheerleading

[vindog]

Vince,
We will see you at the new coaches meeting once the county approves this in March... Until then thanks for your support...

Believe what you want to, but don't count your chickens, or your commissioners before they are hatched. By the way, thanks once again for dodging the opportunity to answer the questions previously posted in this forum publicly. I am sure that this will build the confidence in your organization of those reading this thread.

 

[smilin]

Whew glad all of that's over!
It's a tough act to follow when someone works very hard, but is called lots of moronic (did I use the "M" word?) names for not adequately furnishing information.
Oh that's right - if anybody had a question there was a phone number in there. I must have missed that fact (maybe several times).
It must be easier to sit back and tell them they just don't know what they are doing
Chris, hope to meet you someday and thank you in person.

 

[BigRed]

Vince,
Better becareful about how you slander an Incorporation... You are also on here representing Pigskin and you have done nothing but slander Southern County Youth Football Inc.. So I am sure you and I will be seeing more of each other.. Have a great day and thank-you for your support in Youth Football it will be needed when the County takes it over... You have been given a chance to get a hold of me and you have decided not to. You decided to go on an open forum and slander a business, not a smart move on your part...


Vince I would love to sit on here and go back and forth with you but I have a County to help in getting Youth Football started..

Well in some of your free time you may want to look up the definition of slander. I think you were probably going for libel, but either way good luck with that.

 

[vindog]

Awww come on Red - don't you know that whenever someone presents contrary evidence and factual criticisms of a proposal that you have made public, step one is to try and take them out of the public forum to talk so that you don't have to answer their questions in the open, and step two is to threaten legal action, however ludicrous....

 

[reelsdeals]

I've been on here before giving my support to Chris and the idea of forming a new league and once again, I'm doing the same. Once before, I gave my opinion on the fact that someone is trying to do something good and give options, but negative people try to get them down and demean them. I've been away from this issue for a little bit and didn't get to attend the meeting because I was at the hospital with my pregnant wife. I was devistated that I didn't get to attend and the information I've received about the league is nothing but positive.
Chris, you have done a marvelous job of giving your time and energy and I'm sure money as well, getting this whole idea in the works and getting the league started. Don't let the haters get you down. From the first time you talked to me about starting this new league, we knew that there would be people that would not want this to succeed, and you can see that now on here. As I've stated in the past, anything that you need me to help with, give me a call or whatever and I'll do what I can to help. This is about the kids, no matter what others may think. I'm so ready to step on the field and train these kids and see them progress as the year goes on. That's what makes coaching great and seeing the league progress will be great as well.
People, everyone needs to get behind this man and kiss his butt for doing what no one else has been willing to do for the past 25 years. I've only been here for two years, but I've talked to many people that have lived here for years and have always had issues with the way Pigskin was ran, but what have they done to facilitate changes? Nothing. We now have someone who is trying to do that and what kind of thanks does he get? Someone bashing them and questioning every word and everything thing he does. Everyone needs to show their support for the changes that are coming. Who cares what the county does with a $55,000 position. That's not the issue. Operating costs, that's not the issue either. The issue is someone putting down the efforts of someone trying to do something good, something that will make things only better down the road. Competition will bring about positive changes in both leagues.
The pizza issue, give me a break. Those things are so over priced and to be honest, they suck. Me and my family tried to sell those kits and couldn't sell any. We had to pay for the kits ourselves and didn't have the money for them, but we managed. I still have some in my freezer is anyone wants to buy them.
Great work Chris. Keep up the great work and you have my support 110%!

 

[smilin]

The main problem that everyone has had is the administration and management of the pigskin program. Just about everyone has agreed the coaches and team Moms are doing a great job and should be commended for their time and effort.
This where everything splits in two camps.
The people who want to continue with the same old same old, or those who would like a choice.
The Parks and Recs proposal is to be the league administration for three areas and one or more leagues based upon successful programs in Calvert and Charles.

"We hope that the Pigskin Club will be a participant" - Mr. Rollins

They are not proposing to take anything over or away from anyone except a monopoly over football in St.Marys. If they have to form a complete program by themselves, they probably will. The last time I looked freedom of choice was American, and monopolies weren't.
The $250,000 budget item is a loan to be amortized over the life of the equipment. This will lower the entry fees to participate. They are NOT following what Chris has proposed, they are looking at their own ways to alleviate the perceived - real or not - problems in playing football on their fields.
It is boiling down to one thing - control - Who controls what. Does pigskin control football in St. Marys? Right now - yes. The threat that I've heard bandied about that Pigskin will build their own field is OK, that's what choice is all about.
In case you think the money to start a St. Marys league is exhorbitant, take a look at what it cost for a KAYAK landing.

 

[Msd_plumbing]

Chris you were a probationary head coach, and you know that you were not going to be approved by the board to come back because of the incident that happen at Dent. Also most of the coaches from the OSPREYS were thrown out of Pigskin. Calvert County Parks and Rec does not run football. It is administer by Parks and Rec, and the 5 organizations are the ones that run it.

 

[GhostWriter]

The incident you are referring to that happen at Lettie Dent about me being ejected from a game, was over me incouraging a child that recovered a fumble (If you were there you would of seen or heard). Pigskins policy for a coach being ejected from a game is a 1 game suspension. After discussion and review by Pigskin officials I was not suspened. So I must have done nothing wrong being that I was not suspened. As for the Osprey it has nothing to do with me or Southern County Youth Football Inc.
Oh and by the way...Per Pigskin, I am the only one in history of Pigskin who started the season with 22 kids and ended the season with all the same 22 kids. That must say alot about the type of person I am.
You seem like you are very dedicated to football. I hope you're as dedicated when the County takes over.
As I've stated before if you have any questions regarding Southern County Youth Football Inc. you may call 301-862-4155.
Thank you and have a great day!!!

Chris, I was at that game and there was more too you getting thrown out of that game then just encouraging a child, but that's last year. To correct your statement you are not the only coach in history to finish a year with all of your kids still on the roster, I've done that the last two years I've been head coached. You sound very strong about the county taking over football, I would not assume that until the votes are complete...... You know pigskin has no problem with your new league or the hardwork I know you had to put into the program so far. The problem is the county mandating what the rules are; weights, ages, registration, separating the areas of the county with boundaries so if you don't like the central club, you don't have a choice to play in the south due to the boundaries. If the county stays out of the equation then the taxpayers and children of st. mary's county truly get a choice of which program they will play for without the boundaries to limit where they can play. I hope this works out for everyone involved and the only way for that to happen is for the county to step back.

 

[Msd_plumbing]

The incident you are referring to that happen at Lettie Dent about me being ejected from a game, was over me incouraging a child that recovered a fumble (If you were there you would of seen or heard). Pigskins policy for a coach being ejected from a game is a 1 game suspension. After discussion and review by Pigskin officials I was not suspened. So I must have done nothing wrong being that I was not suspened. As for the Osprey it has nothing to do with me or Southern County Youth Football Inc.
Oh and by the way...Per Pigskin, I am the only one in history of Pigskin who started the season with 22 kids and ended the season with all the same 22 kids. That must say alot about the type of person I am.
You seem like you are very dedicated to football. I hope you're as dedicated when the County takes over.
As I've stated before if you have any questions regarding Southern County Youth Football Inc. you may call 301-862-4155.
Thank you and have a great day!!!

The incident where you were cussing at the ref, and got thrown out of the game. But the point is all new coaches in Pigskin are on probation for the first year. The board this year being as you had that problem was not going to let you coach. I know what your intentions are, I was at your meeting. We have no problem with you starting up a new league. Everyone should have a choice, but you should do it on your own. Parks and Rec have no involvement with football. They say because they do not have the funds. Well we don't get paid to do what we do. All they will do is sit back and collect a paycheck, while the (non-paid) presidents of the "clubs" will do all the work. They do not care about the children, if they had, they would have showed up to our meetings, and brought the complaint to us, rather then file them away.

 

[SouthCountyMom]

WOW...Chris who ever you are I give much credit!!!!! If you have another meeting I would love to be there to shake your hand!!!! I wouldn't put up with all this nonsense from anybody!!! Sounds like to me Pigskin backers are upset. If the man was cussing as stated, than why wasen't he kicked off??? Let me guess thats a new rule, with a new board, as I see still not posted on the site. My friends in Calvert love the way football is ran.I had one that switched teams due to the fact it didn't care the one team. As I've said before I like to be able to choose not be told who my sons are going to play for. Thats America!!! Freedom of Choice!!!!!......Chris, if things work out with the county as I hope, will you be joining them to run a team??? If so, I'll be the first to join!!! If not, are you going to pursue the southern county league??? I'll call you. Keep up the good work Chris!!! It seems like you're more in it for the kids. As far as everyone else I can't figure out. They keep talking about$$$$$$$$. I can't speak for everyone, but I don't look at price tags for my kids. I do whats best for them an no amount of $$$$ matters. Yes I am very limited in the $$$ fact. But I always make due for my kids!!!!!GOD BLESS.

 

[SouthCountyMom]

Also if I was cussing don't you think I should have been let go as a coach or suspended for a game at that time. I guess that shows that cussing is ok in your league, seeing I was not let go or suspended. I wasn't suspended or let go because I did not cuss. I will see all of you at the meeting on Tuesday. I think everyone is trying to blame me for the county taking over, blame yourself for allowing kids to be subjected to the behavior they have been subjected to for the last 25 years. Becareful how you put out lies about anyone on here. I will see you all next Tuesday. If the county doesn't take over trust me other back-up plans will go into affect...

Thanks for your support in Youth Football.. Rememeber this is all about the kids....

Make sure you let everyone know what your back up plans are. My husband and I would love to help out in anyway!!!!!!

 

[SouthCountyMom]

The main problem that everyone has had is the administration and management of the pigskin program. Just about everyone has agreed the coaches and team Moms are doing a great job and should be commended for their time and effort.
This where everything splits in two camps.
The people who want to continue with the same old same old, or those who would like a choice.
The Parks and Recs proposal is to be the league administration for three areas and one or more leagues based upon successful programs in Calvert and Charles.

"We hope that the Pigskin Club will be a participant" - Mr. Rollins

They are not proposing to take anything over or away from anyone except a monopoly over football in St.Marys. If they have to form a complete program by themselves, they probably will. The last time I looked freedom of choice was American, and monopolies weren't.
The $250,000 budget item is a loan to be amortized over the life of the equipment. This will lower the entry fees to participate. They are NOT following what Chris has proposed, they are looking at their own ways to alleviate the perceived - real or not - problems in playing football on their fields.
It is boiling down to one thing - control - Who controls what. Does pigskin control football in St. Marys? Right now - yes. The threat that I've heard bandied about that Pigskin will build their own field is OK, that's what choice is all about.
In case you think the money to start a St. Marys league is exhorbitant, take a look at what it cost for a KAYAK landing.

Well Stated!!!!!!

 

[Msd_plumbing]

Also if I was cussing don't you think I should have beended. I wasn't suspend let go as a coach or suspended for a game at that time. I guess that shows that cussing is ok in your league, seeing I was not let go or suspened or let go because I did not cuss. I will see all of you at the meeting on Tuesday. I think everyone is trying to blame me for the county taking over, blame yourself for allowing kids to be subjected to the behavior they have been subjected to for the last 25 years. Becareful how you put out lies about anyone on here. I will see you all next Tuesday. If the county doesn't take over trust me other back-up plans will go into affect...

Thanks for your support in Youth Football.. Rememeber this is all about the kids....

You were suspended. My assistant coach had to stand in for you at the game.

 

[vindog]

I do hope you have witness to back your story because you just like Vindog have crossed the line. I don't remember seeing you there so you shouldn't comment to what you don't have any clue about. I do not have to defend myself to you or anyone else on here. I do support the county.

To your assertion that libel or slander occurred, first you must prove that I lied. next you must prove that I knew it was a lie, and finally that it was with malicious intent. I do know however that threatening ANYONE with legal action is a violation of standards and practices on this forum.

Besides that, you are really giving many of the bloggers a real warm fuzzy about your state of mind, maturity, and business savvy threatening those who question your business sense with legal action at the drop of a hat. Hey - I won't be in any league this year, I am going to Iraq for a year, but the county commissioners have (at a private meeting) and will continue to hear my concerns about your version of what you believe constitutes good business practices in a county run field.

 

[big_poppa]

Hey hey hey ummmm yeah I am not a mediator by any means, but shew lets slow this down a bit y'all. As everyone knows I support Chris in all of this, but at the same time Vin has one good point, to an outsider looking in Chris the way you are going back and forth with him doesn't look good. But at the same time Vin you are doing it to yourself and pigskin too man. I am not trying to start another war on here, but to calm the one going on. Either way you guys I think we all lost sight a long time ago about what this forum was intended for. Lets get proactive with this. Just my two cents, and don't come my way with that crap either, as I am just trying to help out. Thanks and keep smilin!!!! Man this was beginning to be the script for an episode of Jerry Springer!!!!

 

[Msd_plumbing]

You must be referring to another person I was never suspended nor did your assistant coach stand in for me. You better get your facts straight... Better have witness to this....

Oh my witness list is kind of long. How many do you want?

 

[smilin]

Thanks

Hey hey hey ummmm yeah I am not a mediator by any means, but shew lets slow this down a bit y'all. As everyone knows I support Chris in all of this, but at the same time Vin has one good point, to an outsider looking in Chris the way you are going back and forth with him doesn't look good. But at the same time Vin you are doing it to yourself and pigskin too man. I am not trying to start another war on here, but to calm the one going on. Either way you guys I think we all lost sight a long time ago about what this forum was intended for. Lets get proactive with this. Just my two cents, and don't come my way with that crap either, as I am just trying to help out. Thanks and keep smilin!!!! Man this was beginning to be the script for an episode of Jerry Springer!!!!

Thanks for trying to be at least the voice of moderation. A choice is a choice and I can't wait to make mine. You've acted well Chris, don't let the nay sayers get you down.
I think there are some other things I'm going to do while this name calling goes on and on and on.
It's trash day so I'll throw the garbage out.

 

[smilin]

I must be half asleep.
Did I read somewhere in this thread that cussing is grounds to be suspended in Pigskin Football?
Naw, couldn't have.

 

[reelsdeals]

Oh my witness list is kind of long. How many do you want?

It must be a long list of zero because Chris wasn't suspended or anything. My child was fortunate enough to be coached by Chris and the experience was nothing short of amazing for him. He was the smallest child by far on the team as well as the league. He didn't want to play and had a hard time, and Chris made it fun for him to play. He talks about playing football everyday, every single day. That's amazing to me. To go from wanting to play video games everyday to wanting to play football everyday is a miracle for him. He loves football and can't wait to play. That says something about the kind of person Chris is.
You aren't talking about the 1/2 division Raiders obviously, seeing how you were in the 1 division. Chris wasn't suspended. The incident was that Chris was encouraging a child for recovering a fumble and one of the refs told him to shut up. You don't tell a coach to shut up when he is telling the kids they did well. That shows a lack of training and sportsmanship on the zebra crew. He was thrown out of the game for standing up for himself and his team, not cussing and he wasn't suspended.
There has always been a dictator attitude with the league and if you don't bow down to them, then you will be black balled and not allowed to coack anymore. Try to do something good and what does it get you? Thrown out of the league.

 

[SouthCountyMom]

Hmm....Who do I believe??? The people whos kids don't play on either team and have some kind of enjoyment bashing Chris or do I believe a man that has a child that plays on Chris's team and you don't hear much from???? I'll pick #2. Let me ask the Pigskin backers something....Where are the people in charge of Pigskin at???? I give Chris credit...He's up here defending himself and the league. He's not letting others do his dirty work. Chris keep your chin up....Thank you again and again for giving this county some kind of hope that there will be choices. Ignore the bashing. It seems to me their trying to pull anything out of their magic hat to make you look bad. After all there were alot of witness that seen and heard everything that went on, on the fields over the few years. I still don't see a list of names that are on the board. I'm sure one of you Pigskin backers could let everyone in on this secret. Thank you!!! GOOOO COUNTY!!!!!!