Spousal abuse

Bann

Doris Day meets Lady Gaga
PREMO Member
Well, this thread has nuked the fridge with all the immature mud slinging. :rolleyes:

Turbo, I'm really sorry about your relative - good on you for helping her out! I hope her husband/boyfriend does seek and continue in counseling. She should get counseling no matter what, but if he refuses or stops going, she should dump him. (Planning ahead, if she can.)

Be aware: she may not stick with counseling, either. And, as much as you want to help her - you can't really, unless she wants and is ready for it. You might be able to kick his butt, report him to the police, etc., but that's about it.

I hope it all works out for her.
 

FED_UP

Well-Known Member
Well, this thread has nuked the fridge with all the immature mud slinging. :rolleyes:

Turbo, I'm really sorry about your relative - good on you for helping her out! I hope her husband/boyfriend does seek and continue in counseling. She should get counseling no matter what, but if he refuses or stops going, she should dump him. (Planning ahead, if she can.)

Be aware: she may not stick with counseling, either. And, as much as you want to help her - you can't really, unless she wants and is ready for it. You might be able to kick his butt, report him to the police, etc., but that's about it.

I hope it all works out for her.

YEA kick his butt, put the shoe on the other foot and let him see how it feels.
 

Beta84

They're out to get us
ANNE - I am not sure where you grew up or who you listened to, but EVERYONE I have ever listened to tells the woman to GET OUT of an abusive relationship and don't look back. Everyone has 100 or 200 dollars in a bank they can withdraw for a hotel for a couple of days until they can find somewhere to help them out.

Better to live in a hotel for a couple of days and make a couple of phone calls to local agencies than to wind up dead from being beaten.

You're pretty ignorant if you think A) everyone has 100-200 in the bank, and B) that 100 would get 2 days in a hotel that isn't some crap motel. Regardless, what will 2 days in a hotel get you? Do you think the local agencies are going to come and arrest the guy and he's not going to be able to get out and the women could go home and feel 100% safe? Yeah ok. I have a friend dealing with this crap right now and it's not that simple. The cops can really suck the big one sometimes when it comes to domestic disputes.
 

ArkRescue

Adopt me please !
AND they also need to research the divorce laws in their State to see what they will face if it doesn't work out. You don't want the laws used to divorce you to surprise you. BUT, how many people actually research that before they get married? Not many I bet. I know I didn't.

With people being able to get partner benefits through their jobs, it's getting to the point where there isn't much actual benefit to getting married these days. Sort of makes it easier for a lot people, especially in MD, where my lawyer said there are archaic divorce laws on the books.

Men and women alike need to pay better attention to who they are making lives with.
 

MMDad

Lem Putt
Weax-you are as usual an incredibly simplistic thinker. You see your world,and your situation and don't have room for another viewpoint. Why don't you prove us all wrong. Pretend right now,this moment,you are a woman who just got hit. Now,tell us all EXACTLY what agency will step in TONIGHT,and give you a place to live,even if it is temporary? What shelter guarantees space not only for the woman but also her children? What about their pets? Their belongings? What if she has never worked and never got an education? But in your world,there are open arms waiting. And everyone-your words-has at least 1-200 dollars just waiting for them. Let's pretend everyone has 200.00 free,at their disposal. How far does that get? Furthermore,let's consider that if a woman has been abused and suppressed by her husband and has no job prospects,several children,and no CREDIT in her own name,how does she get by,with no time to prepare? Because what I said was not to stay,but that leaving the minute things happen is not reasonable to expect. Have you ever considered letting people know they have money in the bank-remember,EVERYONE does? Because I know people who swear they are flat broke. Now,let' walk through this while I give you the special ed version of why women don't just roll out at the first sign of trouble. Your husband hits you....or beats you up badly. He goes to work the next day. This is the scenario you laid out. You get on the phone,and start calling agencies. They either are 1.full,or 2.want you to press charges. You are scared to,since you know that piece of paper is worthless and won't protect you. But wait,now you find a place to help you. You say you have kids,and they say no problem. Now,you have a dilemma. You leave,but the car is in his name. You now have no vehicle. You have money in the bank,but he takes care of that as soon as he sees you are gone. You have no credit and your cards are reported stolen by this controlling jerk you just pissed off,so they are useless. Now,you get to leave with nothing but the kids,but wait-they are also having to leave their pet behind,because the shelter won't allow it to come,and a man who will beat his wife will surely abuse her animal. But,no matter,you leave anyway. The shelter won't let you stay indefinitely and now,your kids have no toys,no pets,no nothing in this world,and you feel like it is all your fault. You don't even have a way to feed yourself at this point save for the help of others. I am telling you this not as a made up story,but what really happened to a friend of mine who refused to cool off and do things methodically and left her husband in a rush - as you suggest. No one was hitting her anymore,but she found herself penniless,homeless,and he killed her dog who she had for the past 17 years. Her children wound up being taken from her and her ex got custody because he was financially stable and she had no proof of the abuse,and was homeless. Judges do dumb #### every day. Would you be so quick to risk one giving an angry ex visitation or even custody? I'm tired and I'm rambling at this point,but your stupid,simplistic view is just retarded.

That hurt my eyes.
 

pixiegirl

Cleopatra Jones
The cycle of abuse often includes alienating the victim from her family and friends. Belittling her until she believes that there is no life without him. It's a lot more than just getting hit. I have a family member in an abusive relationship who chose to move OUT of her mothers house and IN to an apartment, that she pays for, with her abuser. You can offer help until you're blue in the face but ultimately she has to decide to take it. It's heartbreaking, but it's like they're wired differently. Or brainwashed.

That being said, there are obviously women out there who get out at the first sign of trouble. But everyone is different and you can't paint everyone with the same brush.


The voice of reason has spoken. The rest of you zip it! :coffee:
 
I'd like to take this opportunity to commend all women that have managed to extricate themselves from relationships fraught with domestic violence, whether it took them 3 days or 30 years to do so. I suspect most of you deserve credit for what you were able to do, more so than you do criticism for not having been able to do it for so long.

We humans have a tendency to analyze situations external to ourselves, and about which we have insufficient information and understanding, by instinctively filling in that missing information and understanding with assumptions born from our own experiences, perspectives, and conditions of existence. The result is that we often find ourselves unshakably convinced that we are right about things which, in reality, we don't have a friggin clue about. I'm fairly sure you won't, but please don't let someone that didn't go through whatever you went through cause you to retrospectively doubt the strength it took for you to get through it. You know what you went through and you know what it took for you to emerge from it intact, better off, and with possibilities renewed, and that's all that matters.

For those of you that now feel comfortable and secure enough with yourself to talk openly about what you endured, even more credit is due - you never know what anonymous, similarly-situated listener out there your story will, or has, resonated with, and how it might move, or might have moved, them to a similarly positive resolution.

Logically, in a lot of cases, it should be easy to walk away from an unhealthy, let alone an abusive, relationship. However, humans aren't purely logical beings - there's a heavy non-logical, psychological component to what and who we are. Emotions are a big part of what separates us from most of the other matter in the Universe, and they are powerful forces within us. Love and fear are among the strongest of them. I'm just speculating here, but I would think that many women that find themselves in abusive relationships are moved to prolonged inaction by the interplay of those two emotions. On the one hand, love deludes you into believing that things will eventually get better and elevates hope as a blinding force, while on the other, fear (of both the expected and the unknown) paralyzes you into accepting the status quo and elevates anxiety as a crippling force. At any given moment, you aren't too far removed from the one emotion clouding your better judgment or the other crushing your strength to execute on it.

The day you, for whatever reason, find yourself able to separate yourself from both of those emotions - to have your identity step outside of the love and the fear that had previously defined that identity - is the day you're able to earnestly try to get away from the situation and begin the process of re-sculpting that identity more permanently. Some people are lucky enough to have that day of discovery come sooner rather than later, while others aren't so lucky. At any rate, it's not always a simple 2 + 2 adds up to 4 situation, and 'should be able to' doesn't much matter in the real world - in that world, there's 'able to' and 'not able to', and sometimes what separates one from the other doesn't make much logical sense.
 

TurboK9

New Member
:popcorn: where is tubo today anywho????

:whistle: :cds:

I'm lurking this thread and marveling at how it went from a "how can a man do this" to "what women are doing wrong etc."

See, that's part of the problem right there.

The case I was specifically referring to had a clear aggressor and a clear victim. Period, dot, end of story.

A young women, with no savings and nothing of her own because her 'man' controls everything, with no family withing several hundred miles, and nowhere to turn.

I get involved and Hazy there jumps my ass... whatever... :rolleyes:. Of course, now she's talking like that's exactly what women like this need, is for family and others to help... :rolleyes:

People really amaze me.

That is all.
 

Bann

Doris Day meets Lady Gaga
PREMO Member
We don't want Turbo to end up in jail for trying to help out ..... that guy could file assault charges against him.

He didn't go kick the guy's butt unsolicited. And I kind of doubt the guy would try to have him arrested for assault if he's involved in assault himself.
 

Bann

Doris Day meets Lady Gaga
PREMO Member
Hmm...you had said in an earlier post that she was a cousin, and now you say that she has no family within several hundred miles of her. I assume she was either visiting your area for the holidays or you made a trip of several hundred miles to intervene. If not for those thoughts, I'd start to wonder if you'd made the story up for your own ego.


:rolleyes:
 

Bann

Doris Day meets Lady Gaga
PREMO Member
In the eye of the law it wouldn't matter. All that would matter is that Turbo punched the guy in the face when there was no immediate danger to Turbo's safety. Try using it is a defense that you punched a man because he allegedly hit your cousin or because he called your cousin a "b#tch" in your presence and see how far that defense gets you.
I doubt that too, but it's certainly possible that the man he supposedly punched could press charges while the man's girlfriend continues to not press charges. In fact, if the man kept his mouth shut and played his cards right (relatively speaking), there could actually be more evidence against Turbo for his assault than evidence against the man for assault against his girlfriend. That's just the way it goes.

Oh for crying out loud. Let's just create a million scenarios in order for you to justify your point.

Turbo - again - KUDOS to you for being a good guy to your relative. Keep in touch with her & check on her situation just in case she might need you again. I'm out of the thread, as I have no desire to argue with idjits.
 

vraiblonde

Board Mommy
PREMO Member
Patron
Wenchy, You are not going to get through to anyone on here. It is more complicated then they can imagine. In their minds it is cut and dry, he hits you, you leave. It is just not that simple for most people.

Bull####. It IS that simple. Women leave their husbands all the time with less reason than abuse. I've had a couple of girlfriends with abusive spouses/boyfriends. Offered up my home for as long as they needed it, only to have them run right straight back to get their ass kicked some more.

I've also seen domestic abuse up close and personal in my own family, where there have been any number of options for escape. A friend of my Mom's was actually the breadwinner for her abuser who laid around drunk all day.

So it's not loss of home or income or any of that stuff that keeps these women with some guy who beats the crap out of them. And any woman who says she stays with her abuser "for the kids" is sick and needs her kids taken away from her. Most kids don't really like seeing and hearing Daddy beat the chit out of Mommy - not exactly conducive to happy childhood memories.

Walking away IS that simple, but some women choose not to do it for whatever reason - and that reason is NOT that they have no choice.
 

vraiblonde

Board Mommy
PREMO Member
Patron
You're pretty ignorant if you think A) everyone has 100-200 in the bank, and B) that 100 would get 2 days in a hotel that isn't some crap motel. Regardless, what will 2 days in a hotel get you? Do you think the local agencies are going to come and arrest the guy and he's not going to be able to get out and the women could go home and feel 100% safe? Yeah ok. I have a friend dealing with this crap right now and it's not that simple. The cops can really suck the big one sometimes when it comes to domestic disputes.

That's the dumbest post I've read so far in this thread. Congratulations.

Everyone has friends or family or someone they work with or a neighbor. That's a BS excuse, that "there's nowhere to go". There's ALWAYS somewhere to go, but these women choose not to go there. Apparently they'd rather get their ass kicked and have their children watch it happen than swallow their pride and ask for help.

And a crap motel vs. someone kicking the chit out of you?? Are you serious???

Last but not least, cops are typically fantastic about handling domestics IF the stupid woman doesn't start harassing them when they show up. "Don't take my man! He didn't mean it! He didn't do anything!" That's why now they do not need the woman to press charges - if there are clear signs of physical abuse, the cops arrest the guy whether she likes it or not. They just might be a little slower showing up the 2nd or 8th or 23rd time she calls them...

There is no - zero - excuse for a woman to stay with a physically abusive man. ESPECIALLY if she has children.
 

Roberta

OLD WISE ONE
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